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Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

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  • #1682
    theoneeyedman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    theoneeyedman wrote: »
    Tensions brewing in the area again tonight.

    The 'security firm' are back in the area... Reports saying they are stationed (blockading according to some reports) at either end of the through road where the home is situated, with up to 100 neighbours standing around the home in question. Pretty clear that these guys have no good business in this area in the dark of night, whatever the rights and wrongs of what's happened last week there is an obvious public order 'event' brewing and these lads should be moved on.

    Long night ahead in Strokestown....

    I see this thread is more concentrated on a circle jerk of repeating the same hackneyed rants, rather than following the events in Strokestown....


  • #1683
    Muscles Schultz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 301 ✭✭Muscles Schultz


    The tans are sniffing about again...


  • #1684
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    theoneeyedman wrote: »
    I see this thread is more concentrated on a circle jerk of repeating the same hackneyed rants, rather than following the events in Strokestown....

    A circle jerk is the perfect place for 'theoneeyedman', no ?

    :D


  • #1685
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    My point is that this ship has already sailed. The "this guy" in your analogy was a group of individuals and companies which did get away with defaulting on their debts and facing no consequences, but are now demanding that everyone else pay their debts to them or get kicked out of their homes. If they didn't have to - which they didn't - then why should anyone else, indeed? You've basically posed my own question without realising it.

    Have you read anything people said about money been owed to revenue????

    You are deliberately ignoring these vital facts.


  • #1686
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Billcarson wrote: »
    Not saying people should not pay there debts. But there seems to be one rule for the ordinary person and another for bankers.

    With all due respect, you've been talking absolute pony on here. What's ordinary about owing 18,000 to a fellow business man in town? Owing 6 figures in VAT? This isn't owing your ma a score. Cop on.


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  • #1687
    theoneeyedman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    A circle jerk is the perfect place for theoneeyedman, no ?

    :D

    Ah here :)


  • #1688
    woddensanta
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 78 ✭✭woddensanta


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    6/10

    Oh come on, context! Context! Context! I ask anyone to read that post in the context of the thread it was posted in, you will see it was made in humour, says more about the person who went trawling my post history to find somthing to so blatantly take out of context like this, why did you do that? Was I being so unreasonable you considered it you duty to discredit me?


  • #1689
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    But all the banks bar Anglo are paying back the money, so why should these people be let off paying money back they owe?


    My understanding of the banks bailout is different.



    The loans were bought at a discount to take them off the banks books. NAMA may have paid and then sold on the loans and broke even on that portion of the banks loans but the portion of the banks loans that was not discounted ended up being paid by the people of Ireland.


    Correct me if I am wrong. Why should anyone pay their debts if banks dont fully do it?


  • #1690
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    It's strange the guards get involved if you don't pay TV licence but not if you want to live for free and not pay.

    Both are going against court order.

    Maybe Seamus or some can answer.


  • #1691
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Apparently there is a big turnout in solidarity of the former owners of the property.

    The foreign security is also in the area as well as the Garda.

    The former owners want privacy but they are currently on the property.


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  • #1692
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Have you read anything people said about money been owed to revenue????

    You are deliberately ignoring these vital facts.

    I don't think that has any relevance to whether a bank has the right to turf people out of their homes for not paying debts, or hige private security thugs to help them do so.

    People who don't pay revenue should be arrested and tried for that. If it was the revenue who was seizing assets in response to a non payment of tax, I'd have far less to say about it. The private banking sector is rotten to its core and I have absolutely no respect nor sympathy for it.


  • #1693
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    mikeym wrote: »
    Apparently there is a big turnout in solidarity of the former owners of the property.

    The foreign security is also in the area as well as the Garda.

    Anything about this online? Any streams on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube etc we should be watching to keep updated?


  • #1694
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    It's strange the guards get involved if you don't pay TV licence but not if you want to live for free and not pay.

    Not too strange, there is a difference between owing money to the state and a private institution.


  • #1695
    blueythebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭blueythebear


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    My point is that this ship has already sailed. The "this guy" in your analogy was a group of individuals and companies which did get away with defaulting on their debts and facing no consequences, but are now demanding that everyone else pay their debts to them or get kicked out of their homes. If they didn't have to - which they didn't - then why should anyone else, indeed? You've basically posed my own question without realising it.

    I haven't actually. Very few people got away scot free, unless you count bankruptcy as scot free. Many of them would have lost buy to let properties too. The perception that the rich got away with it is just that, a perception. Its simply that the rich were able to sell a few properties from the portfolio to buy time and wait for property prices to rise.

    The little guy that borrowed did not have the luxury of selling off a few properties


  • #1696
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Omackeral wrote: »
    It's called a homonym and I used its wordplay to make a point. Probably a bit highbrow. Apologies.

    Apologies for finding your homonymic wordplay DULL and INGRATIATING.


  • #1697
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    #Ireland Irish police allow 30 ‘security’ thugs from N.Ireland to violently evict 3 elderly people from their home in Roscommon on behalf of a Bank.Later that night 150 locals violently evict 8 of the ‘security’& burn all their vehicles. #FightBack 😎ðŸ‘ðŸ‘


    Literally any ****e passes for fact on social media nowadays. You should see the replies too.

    The odd one has a half a sentence of something vaguely containing a couple of true words. Closest one was that they owed 400k and tried to make payments but kbc said no. No mention that they would take 30 odd years to pay it off the figure they quoted with the one they didn't (1000)


  • #1698
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    blueythebear wrote: »
    I haven't actually. Very few people got away scot free, unless you count bankruptcy as scot free. Many of them would have lost buy to let properties too. The perception that the rich got away with it is just that, a perception. Its simply that the rich were able to sell a few properties from the portfolio to buy time and wait for property prices to rise.

    The companies got away with it. Their executives continued being payed bonuses (on top of their already outrageous salaries) and our finance minister, who as a shareholder had a right to oppose this, stood by at the meeting and allowed it to happen.
    The little guy that borrowed did not have the luxury of selling off a few properties

    The little guy that borrowed got f*cked by the same people who were helped by the state. It's that simple. And it's morally abhorrent.


  • #1699
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    It's strange the guards get involved if you don't pay TV licence but not if you want to live for free and not pay.

    Both are going against court order.

    Maybe Seamus or some can answer.

    When do Gardai get involved in non payment of TV licence?


  • #1700
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    bubblypop wrote: »
    When do Gardai get involved in non payment of TV licence?

    When it becomes a contempt of court issue. The same way they, and not private security goons with no accountability, should be the ones to get involved when there's contempt of a court order over a repossession.


  • #1701
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,528 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The little guy that borrowed got f*cked by the same people who were helped by the state. It's that simple. And it's morally abhorrent.

    Who is the little guy here??? I dont see one. I see a businessman owing tax... bank... local businesses.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #1702
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    It's great to hear of the enormous turnout of local people tonight to help this terrified elderly family who are in their final years, the terror of the violence inflicted on them by the black clad thugs in their own home can have long lasting health consequences for old people, hopefully they will recover from their trauma.


  • #1703
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Who is the little guy here??? I dont see one. I see a businessman owing tax... bank... local businesses.

    There's a group of human beings on one side and a corporation on the other. One deserves empathy, the other does not.


  • #1704
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,085 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    klaaaz wrote: »
    It's great to hear of the enormous turnout of local people tonight to help this terrified elderly family who are in their final years, the terror of the violence inflicted on them by the black clad thugs in their own home can have long lasting health consequences for old people, hopefully they will recover from their trauma.

    I wonder will the security attempt another attack tonight to get revenge-attacking them under cover of darkness

    Or maybe wait til first light before launching their next offensive?


  • #1705
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    tuxy wrote: »
    What company? I have still not heard a single person mention the name of a company. If they have been hired legitimately it will be a registered security firm.

    GS Security Craigavon


  • #1706
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    You can both think these farmers should have paid the bank for what they owe and also that the way this has been handled has been shocking. The lads came down looking for trouble and they found it by the looks of it.


  • #1707
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,528 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    klaaaz wrote: »
    It's great to hear of the enormous turnout of local people tonight to help this terrified elderly family who are in their final years, the terror of the violence inflicted on them by the black clad thugs in their own home can have long lasting health consequences for old people, hopefully they will recover from their trauma.

    Its good you dont have to worry cos they arent elderly.
    Look it was either wrong to evict them or it wasnt. Whatever decade of life they were in.
    This elderly pleading does your argument no favours.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1708
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,111 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The companies got away with it. Their executives continued being payed bonuses (on top of their already outrageous salaries) and our finance minister, who as a shareholder had a right to oppose this, stood by at the meeting and allowed it to happen.



    The little guy that borrowed got f*cked by the same people who were helped by the state. It's that simple. And it's morally abhorrent.



    Ridiculous.


    This was a complete conman who took money from a number of banks, never paid them, and owed Revenue nearly half a million.

    He then managed to con enough people into storming his farm to take it back. Incredible. They should all be put away.


  • #1709
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    When it becomes a contempt of court issue. The same way they, and not private security goons with no accountability, should be the ones to get involved when there's contempt of a court order over a repossession.

    Nope. Not the same. Non payment of TV licence & contempt of court are different.
    Completely.
    You really don't know what you are talking about


  • #1710
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    tuxy wrote: »
    Not too strange, there is a difference between owing money to the state and a private institution.

    But if a judge working for the stake makes a judgement then surely its the same thing.?


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  • #1711
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,528 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    There's a group of human beings on one side and a corporation on the other. One deserves empathy, the other does not.

    Shoplifters who steal from a corporation should go to jail. Empathy does not exempt you from legal obligations. Nor should status as a corporation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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