Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

Grayson wrote: »

As a side note, to diffuse the tension, cal we all agree that strokestown is a funny name?

Was trying to come up with a good pun regarding pulling a stroke.

stevielink wrote: »

but what law says that you are allowed to assault someone in your front garden? Can i do that to the postman/the leaflet delivery person/utility sompany sales reps?

If they refuse to leave you're property no one is going to stop you picking them up and putting them outside the gate.

amcalester wrote: »

Yup, I'm well aware of that.

Was just wondering if the level of fine/charges owed to Revenue by this guy were comparable to other settlements.

It gives an indication of his levels of cooperation when he owes money.

If he didnt engage with Revenue, then I doubt he was too forthcoming with KBC.

He owed €177,388.00
with Interest of €74,725.00
penalties of €177,388.00
Giving a total of €429,501.00

It's clear from that he wasn't cooperating with the Revenue commissioners at all. If there is one crowd you don't dick around with, its the revenue!

BattleCorp wrote: »

But seriously though, if someone won't leave a property peacefully on foot of a court order, how on earth are you supposed to get them to leave if you can't force them out?

look, as i said earlier, if the eviction order was valid then tough sh*t on the homeowners.
harsh but that's the law.

my point here is with physically assaulting/manhandling/touching people who don't want to be touched. The only people in the state allowed to do that as far as I know (and yes I'm open to being corrected on that), are the Gardai. If of course, the victim in this case started the assault, then by all means defend yourself, but if they are just standing their ground, I don't believe anyone other than the Gardai have a right to physically remove them.

BattleCorp wrote: »

I didn't realise there was a court order telling the postman/the leaflet delivery person/utility company sales reps to vacate your property.

exactly, a court order. Given by the court.
So who is allowed to enforce a court order? A private security firm? Really?

in the UK they have a baillif system who are allowed to do that. In Ireland we don't have a law that allows private security firms to do that. If you prove me wrong then i'll happily apologise and move on.

It's good to see Charlie Flanagan organising a review of private security firms and the banks private armies.

cameramonkey wrote: »

Is this a fact? I am asking because I wonder is this the case.

No idea, just fighting baseless arguments with equally baseless arguments.


The only facts I am sure of is the extremely large amount owed to Revenue (between €4 and €500k) and the debt of €18k to a local supplier.


I would be quite surprised though if KBC were sending lads in there chasing a non-existent loan!

cameramonkey wrote: »

Did the revenue hire our Northern brothers to do the eviction?

Nope it was KBC apparently he also owes them or whoever bought their loan a pile of cash as well. Given the heavy mob they employed it's probably not an insubstantial figure.

gctest50 wrote: »

Why didn't they just leave ?

They had already failed pathetically

They should have but I suspect they had idiots advising them.

stevielink wrote: »

exactly, a court order. Given by the court.
So who is allowed to enforce a court order? A private security firm? Really?

in the UK they have a baillif system who are allowed to do that. In Ireland we don't have a law that allows private security firms to do that. If you prove me wrong then i'll happily apologise and move on.

sheriffs in ireland can appoint bailiffs too http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1924/act/20/enacted/en/print.html

eagle eye wrote: »

Again, and I've made this clear, I've no issue with Brits but understand that lots of people do.
I have a problem with thugs being hired to carry out a high court order.

I'm interested in this to, why wasn't it the Gardaí doing the evicting?

cameramonkey wrote: »

Have you got a link to where this is actually evaluated. I mean a proper explanation of the figures involve.


How come when there were very few repossessions in the past that the interest rates were still very high?

Like in 1970s, 1980s.
No competition. Inflation. Recession.

cameramonkey wrote: »

I think Irish consumers are suffering exorbitant bank charges and interest rates because the banks can get away.

AIB made in the first 6 months profits of 726 million, BOI 500 million in 2018, they are making money hand over fist.

The story that some how our interest are high because of repossession problems does not in my mind add up. It is just an excuse to gouge Irish people.

The Irish banks can now charge what they like because all foreign banks bar Ulster which has been here for centuries anyway and KBC have left the market.
Competition is the key to competitive rates.
Bank of Scotland's entrance had forced rates down.

Rabobank who had bought ACC tripped over themselves to get out.
Bank of Scotland/Halifax pulled out.
Danske/NIB pulled out.

They all saw losses, the very slow rate of repossessions and more importantly the lack of political will to enforce any.

And if this type of mullarkey continues KBC will be out too.

Do you think any foreign bank is going to want to set up in a tin pot shyte hole were bad debt recovery is near impossible ?

FTA69 wrote: »

So a group of elderly people in hoc to some vulture bank and were trying to repay the loan as best they can were forcibly evicted by a shower of Loyalist mercenaries and people ended up battering the hired thugs?

Good. Fair play to all involved. Hopefully opportunistic scumbags who bash old people on behalf of bankers will take note.

Ahh FFS FTA69 can you put your republican fantasies aside for a moment.

They were not elderly or maybe you are using famine era to now also describe peoples ages.
You are one of the most vocal about socialism and governmental provided services, so how does that stack with you supporting a guy who welches on their statutory obligations on paying their taxes into the system?
Don't ever dare come on again lecturing us about the state not providing proper services if you stand totally behind a tax cheat.

What about non payment of other debts and the affects that kind of behaviour has on local small businesses providing much needed employment.

Cupatae wrote: »

Im just glad there is huge support for the people that threw that security firm out, great to see people backing there own over money and scumbag banks. The right thing was done.

As for those that think its black and white and the banks were dead right... it speaks volumes about ye, that ye think its right to get security firms to come down 2 weeks before christmas and drag someone out of there home, theres right and wrong ways to do things and this was by far the dumbest thing ive seen done it got the reaction it deserved.

KBC are a business. Businesses don't survive on appeals to emotion.