Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

amcalester

Deleted User wrote: »

Despite the government and Apple not believing that money was owed Apple paid the 13 billion when ordered.

Has this fella paid us yet?

In fact, any delay in Apple paying the money was due to the Government not being willing to accept it until a tendering process to manage the funds had been completed.

BattleCorp

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah. Between him and Apple they owe 13 billion and 400k.

:pac:

Apple are abiding by court orders, the guy in Roscommon isn't.

Apple's money is in an escrow account pending the result of court appeals.

Boggles

BattleCorp wrote: »

Apple are abiding by court orders, the guy in Roscommon isn't.

Apple's money is in an escrow account pending the result of court appeals.

I was pointing out that his tax defaulting wasn't at the higher end.

But It's all about optics.

People getting ****ed out of their home violently as the Guards watch on for 400k.

Meanwhile Leo is so far up Cookes hole you can barely see his novelty socks spending millions of our money fighting a court case to hand back 13 billion.

That's one of the backdrops of this, that is even before you get into the optics of this individual case.

Ush1

Boggles wrote: »

It's all about optics.

People getting ****ed out of their home violently as the Guards watch on for 400k.

Mean while Leo is so far up Cookes hole you can barely see his novelty socks spending millions of our money fighting a court case to hand back 13 billion.

That's one of the backdrops of this, that is even before you get into the optics of this individual case.

That's the revenue money, we don't even know what he owed KBC. Oh and don't forget a local quarry he owed 15k, but sure the optics...

Boggles

Ush1 wrote: »

That's the revenue money, we don't even know what he owed KBC. Oh and don't forget a local quarry he owed 15k, but sure the optics...

We have no idea what he owes or the situation around it.

I doubt it is 13 billion though and I doubt he has the government spending millions to fight his corner.

They are the optics, I am not saying 2 wrongs make a right or a left.

But optics are very important.

gandalf

Boggles wrote: »

It's all about optics.

People getting ****ed out of their home violently as the Guards watch on for 400k.

Mean while Leo is so far up Cookes hole you can barely see his novelty socks spending millions of our money fighting a court case to hand back 13 billion.

That's one of the backdrops of this, that is even before you get into the optics of this individual case.

Actually they are getting turfed out of their home for an unspecified loan amount. The 400k is what the Revenue are owed. I assume a bank doesn't put up 8 security guards on site for a small loan amount outstanding or for an asset that isn't worth that much. The real backdrop of this has not been fleshed out yet. I am veering towards this being some kind of property development debt given the quarry judgement in 2008 as well.

As for the 13 billion if the European Courts rule against the Government that 13 billion will only be resting in our accounts for a very brief period until it is paid onto the Europeans who we have our debts with. That 13 billion is based on sales into those territories from Ireland and not based on sales to Irish people of Apple products.

BattleCorp

Boggles wrote: »

I was pointing out that his tax defaulting wasn't at the higher end.

But It's all about optics.

People getting ****ed out of their home violently as the Guards watch on for 400k.

Meanwhile Leo is so far up Cookes hole you can barely see his novelty socks spending millions of our money fighting a court case to hand back 13 billion.

That's one of the backdrops of this, that is even before you get into the optics of this individual case.

It's not about optics. It's pretty clear.

The money was owed and a court order had been secured against the property. The occupants refused to leave, even though there was a court order stating that they had to leave. If they weren't going to obey the court order, then there had to be an eviction. If someone won't go willingly on foot of a court order, then there's not much choice other than to turf them out.

That 400k is owed to the taxman by the way. I'm not sure how much is owed to the bank.

gctest50

Boggles wrote: »

I was pointing out that his tax defaulting wasn't at the higher end.

Co. Roscommon farmer Anthony McGann is the farmer with the largest figure on the tax defaulters list.

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

Having a public body to enforce court orders sounds like a good idea - are there any examples from elsewhere.

They would become the objects of a lot of abuse though - the Sherriff of Nottingham Roscommon might go down in history.

We actually do appear to have them: https://www.bailiffs.ie

I'm not sure why they were not used in this instance, maybe they can only be used in certain instances. It should probably be mandatory to use them rather than another private service.

There's a UK programme, "Can't Pay? We'll take it away", which is an incredibly callous title really. Follows HC enforcement agents in the UK chasing up debts and repossessing properties.

Billcarson

frosty123 wrote: »

i see the "rent a riot mob" have moved from water protests to evictions

can people not see them for what they are.. a bunch of far left anarchists who are too quick with their fists/baseball bats

they're vigilantes with extreme republican leanings

Maybe they are just people who want to stand up for themselves rather then and be yes men to whatever their masters tell them.

Thatnastyboy

Billcarson wrote: »

Maybe they are just people who want to stand up for themselves rather then and be yes men to whatever their masters tell them.

More rioting for the sake of rioting then.



"Stand up"

'Ok will do, but for what?'

"Bootlicker"

gctest50

By Shannonside News -2nd December 2018

A new revenue sheriff has been appointed to Co Roscommon.


Mr Kelly will take up his new role on December 23rd.

Boggles

gandalf wrote: »

I am veering towards this being some kind of property development debt given the quarry judgement in 2008 as well.

15k? That could be a bill for a large shed.

gandalf wrote: »

As for the 13 billion if the European Courts rule against the Government that 13 billion will only be resting in our accounts for a very brief period until it is paid onto the Europeans who we have our debts with.

Really? Says who?

gandalf

Billcarson wrote: »

Maybe they are just people who want to stand up for themselves rather then and be yes men to whatever their masters tell them.

And these are probably the same people that whinge the Health Service isn't getting enough resources.

Well they are defending someone and his ilk who by their tax default activities are denying the state the monies to provide those services.

road_high

frosty123 wrote: »

i see the "rent a riot mob" have moved from water protests to evictions

can people not see them for what they are.. a bunch of far left anarchists who are too quick with their fists/baseball bats

they're vigilantes with extreme republican leanings

I see they’re trying to agitate ala the French yellow vests thing- bit hard on Xmas bonus week I’d imagine to get the level of false anarchy they desire though

handlemaster

any chance of getting the facts of the case ???

heroics

Boggles wrote: »

Really? Says who?

The EU

Billcarson

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

More rioting for the sake of rioting then.



"Stand up"

'Ok will do, but for what?'

"Bootlicker"

Like the French were protesting just for the sake if it were they these last few weeks.?People in this country are sheep but I'm hopeful that will change .

seamus

seamus wrote: »

We actually do appear to have them: https://www.bailiffs.ie

I'm not sure why they were not used in this instance, maybe they can only be used in certain instances. It should probably be mandatory to use them rather than another private service.

There's a UK programme, "Can't Pay? We'll take it away", which is an incredibly callous title really. Follows HC enforcement agents in the UK chasing up debts and repossessing properties.

That would probably be the name but that website is at a private debt collection company.

Company Name:Blackwater Bailiff & Asset Management Services Limited
Time in Business:1 Month
Company Number:637363
Current Status: NORMAL
Principal Activity:[7022] Business and Other Management Consultancy Activities
May Trade As:Bailiff Service of Ireland
Blackwater Asset Management

gctest50

Boggles wrote: »

15k? That could be a bill for a large shed

And the € 174,000 vat that was due ( because under reported )

How much VAT did he pay altogether ?

Guy:Incognito

Billcarson wrote: »

Maybe they are just people who want to stand up for themselves rather then and be yes men to whatever their masters tell them.

And what exactly is being stood up for in this case? The right to default on taxes? The right to default on loans? The right to default on bills to local businesses? Or all three?

frosty123

frosty123 wrote: »

i see the "rent a riot mob" have moved from water protests to evictions

can people not see them for what they are.. a bunch of far left anarchists who are too quick with their fists/baseball bats

they're vigilantes with extreme republican leanings

Billcarson wrote: »

Maybe they are just people who want to stand up for themselves rather then and be yes men to whatever their masters tell them.

people have every right to protest...but you'd don't it by burning out cars and assaulting people with baseball bats, thats just plain thuggery...and they claim to be the victims in all this??

Boggles

heroics wrote: »

The EU

No they didn't.

They actually said the opposite.

road_high

Billcarson wrote: »

Like the French were protesting just for the sake if it were they these last few weeks.?People in this country are sheep but I'm hopeful that will change .

The anarchists in this country have **** all to worry them- it’s hard working taxpayers that should be rioting here for what’s robbed off them to fund welfare

Bubblegummers

Thought this was brilliant, so I did.

Thatnastyboy

Billcarson wrote: »

Like the French were protesting just for the sake if it were they these last few weeks.?People in this country are sheep but I'm hopeful that will change .

What do you want to achieve from your proposed revolt? Hell, if you can explain it to me I might even join you!

Boggles

gctest50 wrote: »

And the € 174,000 vat that was due ( because under reported )

How much VAT did he pay altogether ?

I have no idea what he owes.

I'm merely suggesting owing 15k to a quarry does not make you a large developer.

road_high

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

What do you want to achieve from your proposed revolt? Hell, if you can explain it to me I might even join you!

Social media likes and general criminality, wanten destruction of other people’s property

_Brian

Billcarson wrote: »

Maybe they are just people who want to stand up for themselves rather then and be yes men to whatever their masters tell them.

This case essentially leads back to a huge fraud against the state and then the perpetrators faught it and the bill resulted to €400k owed bynthemntontue state.

How is this to be justified in all this ??

As someone who has been paying tax week in week out for 30 years I don’t see why these individuals get such support for defrauding the state.

A legal judgment was made that they must forfeit their property, that’s the law of the country making a decision against them. If they had walked away there would have been no problem.

But again they dig in and stuck two fingers to the state and every tax payer expecting to get special treatment.

What were seeing now is a load of anti establishment nut jobs crawling out from under their rocks and being thugs and abusing anyone on social media who isn’t being outraged by this incident.

These people brought this on themselves, onody os to blame but them. Personal responsibility is gone to crap in this country, people want to blame everything on guards, banks, politicians, loyalists, everyone but themselves.

Sycamore Tree

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

All the fair city extras will be required

And rover the dog too

Fair City? Ah here, we want the reconstruction to be somewhat realistic!