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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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  • #3152
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    It's too lucrative for them. Take the financial incentives of being a Traveller away and the charade stops in a generation or 2.

    So they would choose education and jobs over increasing the level of crime they are involved in?
    I do like your optimistic outlook!


  • #3153
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    tuxy wrote: »
    So they would choose education and jobs over increasing the level of crime they are involved in?
    I do like your optimistic outlook!

    If the government decided to treat them like the rest of us eg force them to send their kids to school they might find it a bit easier.


  • #3154
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    It's too lucrative for them. Take the financial incentives of being a Traveller away and the charade stops in a generation or 2.

    Not just travellers either, plenty of settled folks who do absolutely nothing and contribute even less.


  • #3155
    Wheety
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭Wheety


    Omackeral wrote: »
    No4 on the consanguineous marriages is a load of pony too. I work with Travellers (well not with them) and there's a lady that comes in to see them and she's lovely and well meaning and kind. Anyway, she brings in a quarterly magazine aimed solely at the Travelling community. In one of the editions is an article about young Travellers getting married. It was done in simple enough bullet points and went something like this
      You will need your and your spouses PPS number
      You will need to have €500 to register your marriage
      If you are marrying your first cousin, 6 months notice and special dispensation from the church is required.

    Busted indeed.

    Only €200 for settled people though isn't it?


  • #3156
    Dial Hard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,122 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    Not just travellers either, plenty of settled folks who do absolutely nothing and contribute even less.

    As percentage of each community, do you honestly think these numbers would be even remotely comparable? Genuine question.


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  • #3157
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    As percentage of each community, do you honestly think these numbers would be even remotely comparable? Genuine question.

    No, genuine answer. I hope you didn't take that from my post as it simply wasn't there.


  • #3158
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    Not just travellers either, plenty of settled folks who do absolutely nothing and contribute even less.

    Oh god not this stuff again :(


  • #3159
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    Oh god not this stuff again :(

    ?


  • #3160
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Mags has a big decision to make. Will she go to Marian Finucanes or Miriam O Callaghans for Christmas Day?
    She can go to Turbridy for Boxing Day and hopefully it will end up like that and she give him a few slaps if he drops the hand


  • #3161
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Lol

    I'd say Margaret has burnt her bridges with RTÉ after her Penneys story


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  • #3162
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,504 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    As percentage of each community, do you honestly think these numbers would be even remotely comparable? Genuine question.

    As I said in a previous post if you think of Clondalkin declaring itself an ethic minority tomorrow it would be a much fairer comparison.
    As both have similar social disadvantages.

    Comparing the whole settled community to travellers statistically is not comparing the same socio-economic demographic.
    Plus there are similar numbers in of people Clondalkin in comparison to the total population of travellers in the island of Ireland.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #3163
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    As I said in a previous post if you think of Clondalkin declaring itself an ethic minority tomorrow it would be a much fairer comparison.
    As both have similar social disadvantages.

    Comparing the whole settled community to travellers statistically is not comparing the same socio-economic demographic.
    Plus there are similar numbers in of people Clondalkin in comparison to the total population of travellers in the island of Ireland.

    Out of curiosity gormdubhgorm have you seen this, and if so what are your opinions?
    john4321 wrote: »
    It was done in AMA before.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057383006

    Wants to have 6 kids with no apparent way of financing it.

    Since you've been openly (rightly) critical of Margaret I'd be curious to know how you feel about this one. I can't see much of a difference myself.


  • #3164
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    Out of curiosity gormdubhgorm have you seen this, and if so what are your opinions?



    Wants to have 6 kids with no apparent way of financing it.

    Since you've been openly (rightly) critical of Margaret I'd be curious to know how you feel about this one. I can't see much of a difference myself.

    You can't be asking people how they earn their money. That's their business :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


  • #3165
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    Is the protest today or when is it?

    First item of business?

    What the **** are you looking at?


  • #3166
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    tuxy wrote: »
    You can't be asking people how they earn their money. That's their business :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

    Oh I know all too well. I'm listening to this crap for years. And I'm still told that I know nothing about their 'culture'.

    But I'd like to know what gormdubhgorm thinks.


  • #3167
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭xi5yvm0owc1s2b


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    As I said in a previous post if you think of Clondalkin declaring itself an ethic minority tomorrow it would be a much fairer comparison.
    As both have similar social disadvantages.

    Comparing the whole settled community to travellers statistically is not comparing the same socio-economic demographic.
    Plus there are similar numbers in of people Clondalkin in comparison to the total population of travellers in the island of Ireland.

    The unemployment rate in Clondalkin was 32 percent in 2016, according to CSO figures. While that qualifies it as an unemployment blackspot, the unemployment rate in the Traveller community is two and a half times higher, at 80 percent.

    To put that in perspective, in Clondalkin one working-age person in three is unemployed. In Traveller communities, four out of five are unemployed.

    I would also warrant that in Clondalkin, far more kids attend school past age 15. Although it's a disadvantaged area, I doubt that it has the same issues with criminality, violent feuding, consanguineous teenage marriage, irresponsible reproduction, and domestic violence as do Traveller communities.


  • #3168
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Now now can't be dealing with facts


  • #3169
    Ri_Nollaig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ri_Nollaig


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Now now can't be dealing with facts

    Those facts like to either get ignored or explained away with the old "its because of discrimination" card. Nothing at all to do with a culture [a now protected ethnicity] that encourages leaving school at 15 and for girls to get pregnant and have kids as soon as possible.


  • #3170
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,256 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »
    The unemployment rate in Clondalkin was 32 percent in 2016, according to CSO figures. While that qualifies it as an unemployment blackspot, the unemployment rate in the Traveller community is two and a half times higher, at 80 percent.

    To put that in perspective, in Clondalkin one working-age person in three is unemployed. In Traveller communities, four out of five are unemployed.

    I would also warrant that in Clondalkin, far more kids attend school past age 15. Although it's a disadvantaged area, I doubt that it has the same issues with criminality, violent feuding, consanguineous teenage marriage, irresponsible reproduction, and domestic violence as do Traveller communities.

    Exactly, Clondalkin is not in any way on par with the Travelling community. It's generally a decent place to live.
    I'd also say that a large number of the unemployed and/or non school attenders in the area are actually member of the travelling community themselves.


  • #3171
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    The list posted earlier https://www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/vee-point-why-these-7-traveller-myths-are-untrue-849182-Mar2013/%3famp=1 gave me a good laugh.

    The VAT one is particularly gold, but the rest are "no no, not all travellers do it" and that's supposed to be "myth smashing".


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  • #3172
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Exactly, Clondalkin is not in any way on par with the Travelling community. It's generally a decent place to live.
    I'd also say that a large number of the unemployed and/or non school attenders in the area are actually member of the travelling community themselves.

    How did this thing about Clondalkin even come up? Was it another of gormdubhgorm's nuggets of wisdom?

    I'm not from Dublin but I work here a lot. For working reasons. Only.

    I spent a few months in Fonthill and would occasionally go down to Clondalkin for banking reasons, the church sometimes. Actually seemed like one of the nicer areas in Dublin.

    Certainly not one of the rougher areas. On the face of it anyway.


  • #3173
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    Bridget Mushy Viper wrote: »
    The list posted earlier https://www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/vee-point-why-these-7-traveller-myths-are-untrue-849182-Mar2013/%3famp=1 gave me a good laugh.

    The VAT one is particularly gold, but the rest are "no no, not all travellers do it" and that's supposed to be "myth smashing".

    4. Marrying cousins: To this day it is still a Traveller tradition to marry a cousin but it is a custom that is changing with the times.

    Busted: “Prior to having IT and Facebook, opportunities for Travellers to meet possible suitors were quite limited so marrying cousins was and still is quite common,”

    Busted :confused:


  • #3174
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,256 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    How did this thing about Clondalkin even come up? Was it another of gormdubhgorm's nuggets of wisdom?
    .

    Maybe it has a large Amish population or something :)


  • #3175
    Fiftyfilthy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Fiftyfilthy


    Really despise everything she stands for


  • #3176
    Odelay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    4. Marrying cousins: To this day it is still a Traveller tradition to marry a cousin but it is a custom that is changing with the times.

    Busted: “Prior to having IT and Facebook, opportunities for Travellers to meet possible suitors were quite limited so marrying cousins was and still is quite common,”

    Busted :confused:

    It’s busted that “is a custom that is changing with the times”?


  • #3177
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    You can't pay VAT on stuff you lift

    (Just saying...)


  • #3178
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    4. Marrying cousins: To this day it is still a Traveller tradition to marry a cousin but it is a custom that is changing with the times.

    Busted: “Prior to having IT and Facebook, opportunities for Travellers to meet possible suitors were quite limited so marrying cousins was and still is quite common,”

    Busted :confused:

    “But there are more opportunities now to meet people in other places through Facebook and the like so it’s something that we are seeing a change in.”

    I would imagine the change is minuscule

    Majority of travellers will still marry travellers

    Look at the attitude in the AMA

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057383006&page=2

    “Out of interest, why do you have no interest in marrying outside of the travelling community?”

    “Because a settled man could leave you at anytime and no other man in the traveller community would look at you.”

    Yet apparently that fact that you can meet people outside the community busts the 'myth'


  • #3179
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,504 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    Out of curiosity gormdubhgorm have you seen this, and if so what are your opinions?



    Wants to have 6 kids with no apparent way of financing it.

    Since you've been openly (rightly) critical of Margaret I'd be curious to know how you feel about this one. I can't see much of a difference myself.

    I looked through that thread. The main difference between herself and Margaret Cash to me is the the woman in the AMA thread does not seem to have an aggressive self-entitled posture. Also the woman in the AMA thread seems honest in her replies.
    In the AMA thread it was never stated wheter her fiance was working or not (unless I missed it)
    I got the feeling from the AMA thread that she would have liked to stay at school but bullying forced her away. She also is waiting until she is older to have kids.
    There were a few disturbing posts from the woman in the AMA thread though, like how the travellers would not report thier own criminal element out of fear of large feuds. Also she seems to have no trust in the gardai whatsoever after a few bad experiences where she was refused access to public places because she is a traveller. Plus although she said others in her family have married settled people, she claimed to be fearful of doing the same. As in her view the settled person will leave and no traveller man would look at her then.
    (That is her prejudice)
    Also I noted she said she does not frequent pubs and discos because of this hassle. Also she does not drink as she can see it might trouble in general.
    She seems to want to keep her head down and stay out of any hassle/trouble.

    In summary the main similarity seems to be that both are traveller women who want to have children.
    Lack of education is another similarity. But that is where the similarity ends.
    The mindset of both women seem to be different.
    The woman in the AMA thread seems to realise that the traveller community is changing and is slowly changing for the better. Ironically she wants more integration with settled people (like some members her family do, although she would not marry a settled person!)

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #3180
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    I looked through that thread. The main difference between herself and Margaret Cash to me is the the woman in the AMA thread does not seem to have an aggressive self-entitled posture. Also the woman in the AMA thread seems honest in her replies.
    In the AMA thread it was never stated wheter her fiance was working or not (unless I missed it)
    I got the feeling from the AMA thread that she would have liked to stay at school but bullying forced her away. She also is waiting until she is older to have kids.
    There were a few disturbing posts from the woman in the AMA thread though, like how the travellers would not report thier own criminal element out of fear of large feuds. Also she seems to have no trust in the gardai whatsoever after a few bad experiences where she was refused access to public places because she is a traveller. Plus although she said others in her family have married settled people, she claimed to be fearful of doing the same. As in her view the settled person will leave and no traveller man would look at her then.
    (That is her prejudice)
    Also I noted she said she does not frequent pubs and discos because of this hassle. Also she does not drink as she can see it might trouble in general.
    She seems to want to keep her head down and stay out of any hassle/trouble.

    In summary the main similarity seems to be that both are traveller women who want to have children.
    Lack of education is another similarity. But that is where the similarity ends.
    The mindset of both women seem to be different.
    The woman in the AMA thread seems to realise that the traveller community is changing and is slowly changing for the better. Ironically she wants more integration with settled people (like some members her family do, although she would not marry a settled person!)

    I don't know how you can make that point to be honest. She's said about wanting the 6 kids and when she was pressed for genuine answers about how she could finance all this is was just diving and ducking, with the occasional input from a mod, telling folk to stop or apologist saying we should be grateful she's answering the questions she is.

    I see little difference between the pair to tell you the truth. Just that traveller girl maybe tries to be a bit 'nicer' or something about it.

    Net result at the end of the day is pretty much the same.

    I guess in Cash's eyes she'd be classed as an 'uncle traveller'.

    I've been pointing this out from the start of this thread. No matter how you spin it. Show me a financially viable system in which they choose to live how they live, without mooching off the taxpayer. I've yet to see or hear any such plan.

    And to rub salt in the wound, after being forced to subsidise this crap for the overwhelming majority it's done nothing only bred resentment towards us (non travellers).


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  • #3181
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,504 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    I don't know how you can make that point to be honest. She's said about wanting the 6 kids and when she was pressed for genuine answers about how she could finance all this is was just diving and ducking, with the occasional input from a mod, telling folk to stop or apologist saying we should be grateful she's answering the questions she is.

    I see little difference between the pair to tell you the truth. Just that traveller girl maybe tries to be a bit 'nicer' or something about it.

    Net result at the end of the day is pretty much the same.

    I guess in Cash's eyes she'd be classed as an 'uncle traveller'.

    I've been pointing this out from the start of this thread. No matter how you spin it. Show me a financially viable system in which they choose to live how they live, without mooching off the taxpayer. I've yet to see or hear any such plan.

    And to rub salt in the wound, after being forced to subsidise this crap for the overwhelming majority it's done nothing only bred resentment towards us (non travellers).

    Well what I took from it was a woman who wants to better herself, she mentioned the kinds of industires she would be intrested in. It just sounded like she needs encouragement.
    As for the financial issues you raise she never did mention if her fiance is working or not.
    But you seem to be implying that all travellers are on social welfare.
    Do you really believe that to be true?

    I saw a thing on the internet where John Connors (actor) wanted to get a security guard job. He was getting nowhere so he put on a Dublin (non-traveller accent) he was going to be given the job and his potential employer told him not to let any travellers in.



    Does that sound like a fella who wanted to be on the dole?
    I know Connors can talk some sh*te at times, but he seemed extremely sincere about this story and looked visibly hurt when he told the story.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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