Ruraldweller56 wrote: » It's too lucrative for them. Take the financial incentives of being a Traveller away and the charade stops in a generation or 2.
tuxy wrote: » So they would choose education and jobs over increasing the level of crime they are involved in? I do like your optimistic outlook!
Omackeral wrote: » No4 on the consanguineous marriages is a load of pony too. I work with Travellers (well not with them) and there's a lady that comes in to see them and she's lovely and well meaning and kind. Anyway, she brings in a quarterly magazine aimed solely at the Travelling community. In one of the editions is an article about young Travellers getting married. It was done in simple enough bullet points and went something like this You will need your and your spouses PPS number You will need to have €500 to register your marriage If you are marrying your first cousin, 6 months notice and special dispensation from the church is required. Busted indeed.
Deebles McBeebles wrote: » Not just travellers either, plenty of settled folks who do absolutely nothing and contribute even less.
Dial Hard wrote: » As percentage of each community, do you honestly think these numbers would be even remotely comparable? Genuine question.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Oh god not this stuff again
gormdubhgorm wrote: » As I said in a previous post if you think of Clondalkin declaring itself an ethic minority tomorrow it would be a much fairer comparison. As both have similar social disadvantages. Comparing the whole settled community to travellers statistically is not comparing the same socio-economic demographic. Plus there are similar numbers in of people Clondalkin in comparison to the total population of travellers in the island of Ireland.
john4321 wrote: » It was done in AMA before.https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057383006
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Out of curiosity gormdubhgorm have you seen this, and if so what are your opinions? Wants to have 6 kids with no apparent way of financing it. Since you've been openly (rightly) critical of Margaret I'd be curious to know how you feel about this one. I can't see much of a difference myself.
tuxy wrote: » You can't be asking people how they earn their money. That's their business :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
KrustyUCC wrote: » Now now can't be dealing with facts
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » The unemployment rate in Clondalkin was 32 percent in 2016, according to CSO figures. While that qualifies it as an unemployment blackspot, the unemployment rate in the Traveller community is two and a half times higher, at 80 percent. To put that in perspective, in Clondalkin one working-age person in three is unemployed. In Traveller communities, four out of five are unemployed. I would also warrant that in Clondalkin, far more kids attend school past age 15. Although it's a disadvantaged area, I doubt that it has the same issues with criminality, violent feuding, consanguineous teenage marriage, irresponsible reproduction, and domestic violence as do Traveller communities.
normanoffside wrote: » Exactly, Clondalkin is not in any way on par with the Travelling community. It's generally a decent place to live. I'd also say that a large number of the unemployed and/or non school attenders in the area are actually member of the travelling community themselves.
Bridget Mushy Viper wrote: » The list posted earlier https://www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/vee-point-why-these-7-traveller-myths-are-untrue-849182-Mar2013/%3famp=1 gave me a good laugh. The VAT one is particularly gold, but the rest are "no no, not all travellers do it" and that's supposed to be "myth smashing".
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » How did this thing about Clondalkin even come up? Was it another of gormdubhgorm's nuggets of wisdom? .
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » 4. Marrying cousins: To this day it is still a Traveller tradition to marry a cousin but it is a custom that is changing with the times.Busted: “Prior to having IT and Facebook, opportunities for Travellers to meet possible suitors were quite limited so marrying cousins was and still is quite common,” Busted
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I looked through that thread. The main difference between herself and Margaret Cash to me is the the woman in the AMA thread does not seem to have an aggressive self-entitled posture. Also the woman in the AMA thread seems honest in her replies. In the AMA thread it was never stated wheter her fiance was working or not (unless I missed it) I got the feeling from the AMA thread that she would have liked to stay at school but bullying forced her away. She also is waiting until she is older to have kids. There were a few disturbing posts from the woman in the AMA thread though, like how the travellers would not report thier own criminal element out of fear of large feuds. Also she seems to have no trust in the gardai whatsoever after a few bad experiences where she was refused access to public places because she is a traveller. Plus although she said others in her family have married settled people, she claimed to be fearful of doing the same. As in her view the settled person will leave and no traveller man would look at her then. (That is her prejudice) Also I noted she said she does not frequent pubs and discos because of this hassle. Also she does not drink as she can see it might trouble in general. She seems to want to keep her head down and stay out of any hassle/trouble. In summary the main similarity seems to be that both are traveller women who want to have children. Lack of education is another similarity. But that is where the similarity ends. The mindset of both women seem to be different. The woman in the AMA thread seems to realise that the traveller community is changing and is slowly changing for the better. Ironically she wants more integration with settled people (like some members her family do, although she would not marry a settled person!)
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » I don't know how you can make that point to be honest. She's said about wanting the 6 kids and when she was pressed for genuine answers about how she could finance all this is was just diving and ducking, with the occasional input from a mod, telling folk to stop or apologist saying we should be grateful she's answering the questions she is. I see little difference between the pair to tell you the truth. Just that traveller girl maybe tries to be a bit 'nicer' or something about it. Net result at the end of the day is pretty much the same. I guess in Cash's eyes she'd be classed as an 'uncle traveller'. I've been pointing this out from the start of this thread. No matter how you spin it. Show me a financially viable system in which they choose to live how they live, without mooching off the taxpayer. I've yet to see or hear any such plan. And to rub salt in the wound, after being forced to subsidise this crap for the overwhelming majority it's done nothing only bred resentment towards us (non travellers).
