Traveller immigration and dole threads

Kivaro · 08-12-2018 02:15PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Whatever happened to the idea of a Current Affairs sub-forum off AH?

That would allow those who want to discuss the issues the ability to do so, and those who want to post random things about their dinner or whatever to do so without feeling the place is too "serious"

That seems like the correct solution.
But we've asked (Feedback etc.) ad nauseum and the powers to be want the contentious threads to stay in AH apparently.

Dear Admin (again),
Put the fun back in AH, and create a proper sub-forum for more serious topics.
The private members club PC v2 doesn't hack it. And it needs to be less rigid that the Politics forum.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Plumbthedepths · 08-12-2018 02:15PM

Nixonbot wrote:

I ain't modding it though

I'll do it, would love the sadistic pleasure of banning people. Joking..

freshpopcorn · 08-12-2018 02:30PM

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Where do you draw the line?

Take a thread on the travelling community.
It can be discussed and sometimes people might discuss criminality within the community and try and back it up with stats or share an experience.
The issues accour when people start using the k word and saying they are vermin/etc.

MFPM · 08-12-2018 02:38PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I would describe myself as somebody with a right of centre view and I always found it very frustrating that the left got their way is getting all threads closed.

Lately, boards have left these threads open and many people including myself have finally got to say what we wanted and on a level playing field, the narrative of the left has been destroyed.

Having said that these threads are becoming tiresome the fun has been sucked out of After Hours.
Not sure what the solution is but does anybody else think After Hours has become too polarised and serious?

the narrative of the left has been destroyed.

How has it been destroyed?

I see you apply the same homogeneity to the 'left' as you do to 'migrants' - at least you're consistent with your methodology.

08-12-2018 02:39PM

Meh what's the point of trying to make fun threads anymore? There is a small chance it might take off or more likely you'll just get a handful of replies while the latest 'traveller watch' or liberal outrage gets a few hundred.. it's just not worth the effort

Zorya · 08-12-2018 03:10PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Whatever happened to the idea of a Current Affairs sub-forum off AH?

That would allow those who want to discuss the issues the ability to do so, and those who want to post random things about their dinner or whatever to do so without feeling the place is too "serious"

That's the solution really. AH has the most traffic, so it is the natural place for the readers to gravitate. Putting anyway serious threads elsewhere is the kiss of death to them, usually. So, have a sub-forum, for topics that are less casual that people want to bring to attention. And keep AH for people who want to talk about lighting their farts, getting drunk and having a laugh.

Also closing threads on stuff people want to talk about, no matter how it offends some, is probably the reason multiple threads arise on the same things.

I have seen some thread closures recently that honestly looked like the whimsical, even petty, decision of a Mod for no particularly good reason.

John Sacrimoni · 08-12-2018 04:13PM

The leftie posters get away with saying whatever the hell they want. All you've to do is have a look at who's running this website to figure out why.

DS86DS · 08-12-2018 04:19PM

To all the delicate and precious little snowflakes who are so offended by threads they don't agree with.

SOLUTION: Don't open that particular thread

Problem solved.

tuxy · 08-12-2018 04:26PM

Traveller immigration is not something that comes up here very often. I've head some of them have moved on to France to tramac drives and sell faulty generators as everyone in the UK is now wise to them.
I also think we need a new name for them as they don't travel much.

Yer Da sells Avon · 08-12-2018 04:37PM

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

The leftie posters get away with saying whatever the hell they want. All you've to do is have a look at who's running this website to figure out why.

I've lost count of the number of times that I, 'a leftie poster', have been banned or infracted over the last year or two - almost always for fairly innocuous attempts at humour. My posting style hasn't changed one bit, so I can only assume that the mods are under instructions (perhaps from whoever is 'running' this website) to make it a more welcoming place for right-wingers.

Freshpopcorn summed it up quite well:

Freshpopcorn wrote:

The best advice I can give you is not to use offensive language when discusding sensative topics.

Post whatever hateful crap you like, but be smart enough to avoid using overtly hateful language and you'll get away with saying whatever the hell you want.

LiamoSail · 08-12-2018 04:44PM

Traveller immigration and dole threads

Why include immigrants in that?

By and large, immigrants bring something to our society, and statistics show that they're as likely as the educated Irish to work.

I'd hate a society that didn't welcome those coming here for a better life, and that will contribute. They're nothing like the travellers, or those on the dole that are unwilling to work

Atlantic Dawn · 08-12-2018 04:48PM

If you had a new thread about a black traveller who was gay, on the dole in a 5 bedroom council house and he wanted Fairytale Of New York banned it would be box office.

Trigger Happy · 08-12-2018 04:49PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If you had a new thread about a black traveller who was gay, on the dole in a 5 bedroom council house and he wanted Fairytale Of New York banned it would be box office.

Throw a Compo claim in there to spice things up a bit.

_Kaiser_ · 08-12-2018 04:59PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Why include immigrants in that?

By and large, immigrants bring something to our society, and statistics show that they're as likely as the educated Irish to work.

I'd hate a society that didn't welcome those coming here for a better life, and that will contribute. They're nothing like the travellers, or those on the dole that are unwilling to work

Unfortunately many of the current crop of economic migrants don't fit your description, or the ethos of the previous generation of migrants from places like Poland.

The current wave arriving in Europe arrive with their hand out, and by and large that doesn't change.

Skylinehead · 08-12-2018 05:01PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Why include immigrants in that?

By and large, immigrants bring something to our society, and statistics show that they're as likely as the educated Irish to work.

I'd hate a society that didn't welcome those coming here for a better life, and that will contribute. They're nothing like the travellers, or those on the dole that are unwilling to work

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Unfortunately many of the current crop of economic migrants don't fit your description, or the ethos of the previous generation of migrants from places like Poland.

The current wave arriving in Europe arrive with their hand out, and by and large that doesn't change.

Do you ever stop? This thread is not about immigrants. It's about threads about immigrants :pac:

Richard Hillman · 08-12-2018 05:19PM

Hold on, Travellers are immigrating into Ireland and claiming the dole???

Fann Linn · 08-12-2018 05:19PM

Nixonbot wrote: »

Do you ever stop? This thread is not about immigrants. It's about threads about immigrants :pac:

In fairness it looks like Kaiser was just making a counter argument to Liam's.
Two of them should've been called out or none at all.

TheValeyard · 08-12-2018 05:40PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-12-2018 05:49PM

DS86DS wrote: »

To all the delicate and precious little snowflakes who are so offended by threads they don't agree with.

SOLUTION: Don't open that particular thread

Problem solved.

But it's the snowflakes STARTING the threads!!

Skylinehead · 08-12-2018 05:59PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

In fairness it looks like Kaiser was just making a counter argument to Liam's.
Two of them should've been called out or none at all.

I quoted both

Muahahaha · 08-12-2018 06:14PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

It’s all those poxy threads destroying this place to be honest.

Agreed. I dont ever bother clicking into them because I know it will just be two lads having a multi quote battle ad nauseum. Its obviously easy to avoid them but tbh I think they are dragging AH down, as someone else said AH is supposed to be fun but rather it is infested with these threads on travellers/immigration/the dole. They suck the life out of the place.

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Did the new, stricter, politics cafe cause all of these serious threads to migrate to AH?
.

Thats basically the gist of it, the virtual closure of the Politics Cafe means all these political threads have populated After Hours instead. We had a giant big feedback thread on it a while back and people by and large wanted the Cafe re-opened to all so AH would get back to its remit of fun. But the mods say the Cafe was a huge timesink for them and are reluctant to re-open it properly. Its a crap situation imo but the Admins dont seem to want to fix it either.

Fann Linn · 08-12-2018 06:16PM

Nixonbot wrote: »

I quoted both

Apologies. I misread it.

orourkeda1977 · 08-12-2018 06:22PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Take a thread on the travelling community.
It can be discussed and sometimes people might discuss criminality within the community and try and back it up with stats or share an experience.
The issues accour when people start using the k word and saying they are vermin/etc.

How do you stop people using those words?

Even if that were possible, why should one person get to dictate what views another can or cant express.

There are certain legal issues of course but thats for another day.

Personally, I find it more offensive that anyone would want to curtail the rights of another person to express themselves, no matter how repugnant they might find the views expressed. I can understand if those view were incorrect or illegal but to avoid offence is just juvenile in my view.

TomSweeney · 08-12-2018 06:26PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Did the new, stricter, politics cafe cause all of these serious threads to migrate to AH?

While there are a few nutters and eejits contributing to such threads on AH you can at least get a lively debate, whereas in Politics it seems there are too few contributing.

There is one particular mod in Politics that will just delete your posts and ban you if you don't follow the far far left stalinist narrative.

Yer Da sells Avon · 08-12-2018 06:43PM

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Personally, I find it more offensive that anyone would want to curtail the rights of another person to express themselves, no matter how repugnant they might find the views expressed. I can understand if those view were incorrect or illegal but to avoid offence is just juvenile in my view.

If I'm not capable of curtailing my own urge to say horrible (and also correct) things about (for example) you, I think it's probably good that there are rules that prevent me from doing so. You might not mind me calling you those names. It might be water off a duck's back. Indeed, you might respond by calling me horrible (and also incorrect) names. I can assure you, that would be water off a cuck's back. However, it would create an even more horrible atmosphere than we already have on here. There are already enough places on the internet where you can express whatever repugnant views you want.

Arghus · 08-12-2018 07:48PM

After Hours has dropped off the cliff in the last twelve months. I still check here and post here most days, but there can be times I mightn't check in for a day or two and when I have a look back in, increasingly I've found that I've missed little to nothing. It's mainly just habit that keeps me here. I honestly can't remember the last truly interesting thread I contributed too. The place has gone to shit. It really has.

It seems to go a lot like this - Guy half-hears or reads something in the news that involves a group in society that isn't exactly just like him. Posts about it, giving an off the cuff anecdotal opinion or even a paragraph of guff, which is asserted like an absolute catergorical fact. People pile on, sensing a good opportunity to have a good half-baked whinge. One or two people offer an opposing viewpoint, to try to stick up a bit for context or nuance or even just facts and are shouted down by the hot-take hordes: "SNOWFLAKE!," FEMINAZIS!", "BOARDS. IE LIBERAL BIAS" - and so-on and so-on. Until the thread becomes a battle to the Internet death between people who should get a life.

There was always dole bashing, immigration bashing, feminism bashing and traveller bashing threads but they were somewhat contained. Now that often feels like that's all there is. Wall to wall reactionary half-baked hot-takes. Clicking in a lot of these threads is bloody depressing. People banging on about liberal bias and snowflakes, oblivious to the fact that the place is now skewed towards people who think just like them and talk just like them.

ToddyDoody · 08-12-2018 07:58PM

"they're ruining the country and they should be ashamed"

Irish Guitarist · 08-12-2018 08:52PM

The first time I ever looked at After Hours was about ten years ago and it was full of dole threads. I don't know why people think After Hours was ever a barrel of laughs. It's the same as it's always been.

Zorya · 08-12-2018 09:17PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

The first time I ever looked at After Hours was about ten years ago and it was full of dole threads. I don't know why people think After Hours was ever a barrel of laughs. It's the same as it's always been.

"The Good Old Days", that's why.

tuxy · 08-12-2018 09:19PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

The first time I ever looked at After Hours was about ten years ago and it was full of dole threads. I don't know why people think After Hours was ever a barrel of laughs. It's the same as it's always been.

Very true nothing has changed. The people who are complaining now have just been on here long enough to get bored of it.

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