Traveller immigration and dole threads

CinemaGuy45

I would describe myself as somebody with a right of centre view and I always found it very frustrating that the left got their way is getting all threads closed.

Lately, boards have left these threads open and many people including myself have finally got to say what we wanted and on a level playing field, the narrative of the left has been destroyed.

Having said that these threads are becoming tiresome the fun has been sucked out of After Hours.
Not sure what the solution is but does anybody else think After Hours has become too polarised and serious?

CinemaGuy45

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I would describe myself as somebody with a right of centre view and I always found it very frustrating that the left got their way is getting all threads closed.

Lately, boards have left these threads open and many people including myself have finally got to say what we wanted and on a level playing field, the narrative of the left had been destroyed.

Having said that these threads are becoming tiresome the fun has been sucked out of After Hours.
Not sure what the solution is but this anybody else think After Hours has become too polarised and serious?

They've become too repetitive.

Mysterypunter

But they are true, about 90% of traveller males are conmen. I have a mate who is a traveller and he didn't dispute this, I got a great buzz off him, he was watching YouTube videos of travellers threatening each other. I asked him who one of the family's were, and he said they are the Mcphees, Scottish travellers. I didn't know there were any Scottish travellers, wouldn't you be mad enough being one the other? He is not a permanently offended type of fellow, and he just laughed at this. Everyone should be a target for a laugh or a bit of humour, he is always getting at me as well, but just in a joking manner, never bullying or threatening, just winding up each other.

Church on Tuesday

In one way it's interesting to have debate and (mostly) intelligent discourse on AH.

In other ways you just want to escape all the stuff that's in the news.

It would be nice if AH was a bit more lighthearted for sure. Honestly the dead serious threads can get tiresome after a while and people are very quick I notice to get offended.

And if I see another Dole thread again, I'm just gona up and leave :mad:

Homer

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Not sure what the solution is but does anybody else think After Hours has become too polarised and serious?

This might sound quite radical and out there.. but, how about you don’t read the threads that don’t interest you or irritate you? Can’t get offended by something you don’t read?

CinemaGuy45

Homer wrote: »

This might sound quite radical and out there.. but, how about you don’t read the threads that don’t interest you or irritate you? Can’t get offended by something you don’t read?

Not offended in the slightest I just think After Hours could do with a few more fun threads.:)


And I will always click into the highest trending threads like most everybody else.:D

Badly Drunk Boy

Homer wrote: »

This might sound quite radical and out there.. but, how about you don’t read the threads that don’t interest you or irritate you? Can’t get offended by something you don’t read?

Threads often stray from their oiginal purpose too. You go in expecting one thing, but somebody has derailed it, irreparably.

CinemaGuy45

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Not offended in the slightest I just think After Hours could do with a few more fun threads.:)


And I will always click into the highest trending threads like most everybody else.:D

Need help in my secret Santa thread!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Mysterypunter wrote: »

But they are true, about 90% of traveller males are conmen. I have a mate who is a traveller and he didn't dispute this, I got a great buzz off him, he was watching YouTube videos of travellers threatening each other. I asked him who one of the family's were, and he said they are the Mcphees, Scottish travellers. I didn't know there were any Scottish travellers, wouldn't you be mad enough being one the other? He is not a permanently offended type of fellow, and he just laughed at this. Everyone should be a target for a laugh or a bit of humour, he is always getting at me as well, but just in a joking manner, never bullying or threatening, just winding up each other.

There's your problem right there.

Sentence 1: baseless exaggerated opinion passed off as factual information.

Sentence 2: said claim backed up by annecdotal experience.

Conclusion: is a deliberate - and blatantly baseless - attempt to smear. Even if you're actually right - which is possible - then why don't you present a more factually researched post...?

These threads get shut down because - as highlighted - the people starting them are unable to debate.

"I can't say this..." - it's not that you're not allowed to, is that you don't know how to.

Sonics2k

To be honest I'd say a large part of the reason these threads were constantly closed is because the same ones were opened time and time again, often about the exact same people.

Three threads alone in the last few weeks have been opened about the UN Migrant and Hate Speech pact, each one throwing up the same nonsense each time.

How many threads are going right now about Fairytale of New York on AH? Must be 2 or 3 by now.

facehugger99

Scour papers for story of Traveler criminality.

Post link.

Mouth-breather outrage.

Repeat.

DrumSteve

It’s all those poxy threads destroying this place to be honest.

RWCNT

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Having said that these threads are becoming tiresome the fun has been sucked out of After Hours.
Not sure what the solution is but does anybody else think After Hours has become too polarised and serious?

I agree. Throw in anything about "PC gone mad" on the list as well. We currently have two lengthy threads of angry lads posting essays about how wounded they are that they might not be able to hear the word "f@ggot"on the radio in the middle of the day. Embarrassing.

Spanish Eyes

Maybe a new section should be opened called "rumours and news today in Ireland" or something like that. Would keep the fun in AH and the more touchy subjects out of it.

CrankyHaus

Did the new, stricter, politics cafe cause all of these serious threads to migrate to AH?

While there are a few nutters and eejits contributing to such threads on AH you can at least get a lively debate, whereas in Politics it seems there are too few contributing.

CinemaGuy45

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Did the new, stricter, politics cafe cause all of these serious threads to migrate to AH?

While there are a few nutters and eejits contributing to such threads on AH you can at least get a lively debate, whereas in Politics it seems there are too few contributing.

I think you might be on to something.

Say Your Number

AH doesn't seem like much fun anymore, not that it was perfect a few years ago, but once every while there was threads like Duggy's Housemate or the found safe to make it worth clicking on, now everything is 'Arrgh virtue warrior PC justice brigade' or ye are honing in on Louise O'Neill or Margaret Cash or whoever the easy target is this week or it's this 'Woman awarded 20,000 Euro for broken fingernail' rubbish that people are always anxious to infest this place with.

I do still look to see if there is anything interesting here, but I know to stay away from those contentious threads that will end up with two lads trying to out multi-quote each other for a million pages.

CinemaGuy45

Say Your Number wrote: »

I do still look to see if there is anything interesting here, but I know to stay away from those contentious threads that will end up with two lads trying to out multi-quote each other for a million pages.

I really hate that too.

Harry Palmr

After Hours is a **** hole of stupid these days. Combination news-dump and proto nationalist xenophobic snug.

tuxy

Harry Palmr wrote: »

After Hours is a **** hole of stupid these days. Combination news-dump and proto nationalist xenophobic snug.

And by these days you mean since 1999?

Fann Linn

Plenty of justification in having traveller/dole threads but ultimately it boils down to the same 3 or 4 posters calling each other racists/commies/lefties etc., across all the different threads.

Gets tiresome.

freshpopcorn

The best advice I can give you is not to use offensive language when discusding sensative topics.
You can have a topic that's a bit controversial and people coming along using a lot of offensive words causes a lot of the reporting/etc and that's a reason why threads can get locked after a time.

orourkeda1977

RWCNT wrote: »

I agree. Throw in anything about "PC gone mad" on the list as well. We currently have two lengthy threads of angry lads posting essays about how wounded they are that they might not be able to hear the word "f@ggot"on the radio in the middle of the day. Embarrassing.

I find it more embarrassing that three grown men are offended by the word f@ggot.

I think that's the real point of that thread.

Whats more I spelled out the word in this post and it didn't appear as it was typed. Presumably as an effort to minimise the offence (or perceived offence) it may cause

I'm overweight. If someone expressed their disgust at my weight should I throw a tantrum? Absolutely not, because I've grown up.

Mysterypunter

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

There's your problem right there.

Sentence 1: baseless exaggerated opinion passed off as factual information.

Sentence 2: said claim backed up by annecdotal experience.

Conclusion: is a deliberate - and blatantly baseless - attempt to smear. Even if you're actually right - which is possible - then why don't you present a more factually researched post...?

These threads get shut down because - as highlighted - the people starting them are unable to debate.

"I can't say this..." - it's not that you're not allowed to, is that you don't know how to.

Its not baseless, but may be exaggerated. Lots of them are up to no good, live in fantasy land if you like, but they are up to no good.

orourkeda1977

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The best advice I can give you is not to use offensive language when discusding sensative topics.
You can have a topic that's a bit controversial and people coming along using a lot of offensive words causes a lot of the reporting/etc and that's a reason why threads can get locked after a time.

Where do you draw the line?

klaaaz

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I would describe myself as somebody with a right of centre view and I always found it very frustrating that the left got their way is getting all threads closed.

Lately, boards have left these threads open and many people including myself have finally got to say what we wanted and on a level playing field, the narrative of the left has been destroyed.

Funniest post of the day. It's actually right wing leaning posters who are starting all those threads, they're all offended. Very sensitive bunch!

Ronan|Raven

klaaaz wrote: »

Funniest post of the day. It's actually right wing leaning posters who are starting all those threads, they're all offended. Very sensitive bunch!

Some may say they are a bunch of snowflakes.

CinemaGuy45

klaaaz wrote: »

Funniest post of the day. It's actually right wing leaning posters who are starting all those threads, they're all offended. Very sensitive bunch!

Yes, and how many of those threads did I start?

_Kaiser_

Whatever happened to the idea of a Current Affairs sub-forum off AH?

That would allow those who want to discuss the issues the ability to do so, and those who want to post random things about their dinner or whatever to do so without feeling the place is too "serious"

Skylinehead

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Whatever happened to the idea of a Current Affairs sub-forum off AH?

That would allow those who want to discuss the issues the ability to do so, and those who want to post random things about their dinner or whatever to do so without feeling the place is too "serious"

Yes, please, please make this happen.

I ain't modding it though

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Mysterypunter wrote: »

Its not baseless, but may be exaggerated. Lots of them are up to no good, live in fantasy land if you like, but they are up to no good.

And exaggeration is acceptable in debate, because...?

The figure is most certainly baseless, and it makes the rest of the post look untrustworthy.

If the point is correct, then why not find out the exact figure, find some references and THEN post?

Whatever the reasons fit not found so, are the same reason the post looks like scaremongered bigotry. (Not saying it is, but that's how it looks. And then that's why these threads get locked)

Kivaro

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Whatever happened to the idea of a Current Affairs sub-forum off AH?

That would allow those who want to discuss the issues the ability to do so, and those who want to post random things about their dinner or whatever to do so without feeling the place is too "serious"

That seems like the correct solution.
But we've asked (Feedback etc.) ad nauseum and the powers to be want the contentious threads to stay in AH apparently.

Dear Admin (again),
Put the fun back in AH, and create a proper sub-forum for more serious topics.
The private members club PC v2 doesn't hack it. And it needs to be less rigid that the Politics forum.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Plumbthedepths

Nixonbot wrote:

I ain't modding it though

I'll do it, would love the sadistic pleasure of banning people. Joking..

freshpopcorn

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Where do you draw the line?

Take a thread on the travelling community.
It can be discussed and sometimes people might discuss criminality within the community and try and back it up with stats or share an experience.
The issues accour when people start using the k word and saying they are vermin/etc.

MFPM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I would describe myself as somebody with a right of centre view and I always found it very frustrating that the left got their way is getting all threads closed.

Lately, boards have left these threads open and many people including myself have finally got to say what we wanted and on a level playing field, the narrative of the left has been destroyed.

Having said that these threads are becoming tiresome the fun has been sucked out of After Hours.
Not sure what the solution is but does anybody else think After Hours has become too polarised and serious?

the narrative of the left has been destroyed.

How has it been destroyed?

I see you apply the same homogeneity to the 'left' as you do to 'migrants' - at least you're consistent with your methodology.

riffmongous

Meh what's the point of trying to make fun threads anymore? There is a small chance it might take off or more likely you'll just get a handful of replies while the latest 'traveller watch' or liberal outrage gets a few hundred.. it's just not worth the effort

Zorya

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Whatever happened to the idea of a Current Affairs sub-forum off AH?

That would allow those who want to discuss the issues the ability to do so, and those who want to post random things about their dinner or whatever to do so without feeling the place is too "serious"

That's the solution really. AH has the most traffic, so it is the natural place for the readers to gravitate. Putting anyway serious threads elsewhere is the kiss of death to them, usually. So, have a sub-forum, for topics that are less casual that people want to bring to attention. And keep AH for people who want to talk about lighting their farts, getting drunk and having a laugh.


Also closing threads on stuff people want to talk about, no matter how it offends some, is probably the reason multiple threads arise on the same things.

I have seen some thread closures recently that honestly looked like the whimsical, even petty, decision of a Mod for no particularly good reason.

John Sacrimoni

The leftie posters get away with saying whatever the hell they want. All you've to do is have a look at who's running this website to figure out why.

DS86DS

To all the delicate and precious little snowflakes who are so offended by threads they don't agree with.

SOLUTION: Don't open that particular thread


Problem solved.

tuxy

Traveller immigration is not something that comes up here very often. I've head some of them have moved on to France to tramac drives and sell faulty generators as everyone in the UK is now wise to them.
I also think we need a new name for them as they don't travel much.

Yer Da sells Avon

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

The leftie posters get away with saying whatever the hell they want. All you've to do is have a look at who's running this website to figure out why.

I've lost count of the number of times that I, 'a leftie poster', have been banned or infracted over the last year or two - almost always for fairly innocuous attempts at humour. My posting style hasn't changed one bit, so I can only assume that the mods are under instructions (perhaps from whoever is 'running' this website) to make it a more welcoming place for right-wingers.

Freshpopcorn summed it up quite well:

Freshpopcorn wrote:

The best advice I can give you is not to use offensive language when discusding sensative topics.

Post whatever hateful crap you like, but be smart enough to avoid using overtly hateful language and you'll get away with saying whatever the hell you want.

LiamoSail

Traveller immigration and dole threads

Why include immigrants in that?

By and large, immigrants bring something to our society, and statistics show that they're as likely as the educated Irish to work.

I'd hate a society that didn't welcome those coming here for a better life, and that will contribute. They're nothing like the travellers, or those on the dole that are unwilling to work

Atlantic Dawn

If you had a new thread about a black traveller who was gay, on the dole in a 5 bedroom council house and he wanted Fairytale Of New York banned it would be box office.

Trigger Happy

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If you had a new thread about a black traveller who was gay, on the dole in a 5 bedroom council house and he wanted Fairytale Of New York banned it would be box office.

Throw a Compo claim in there to spice things up a bit.

_Kaiser_

LiamoSail wrote: »

Why include immigrants in that?

By and large, immigrants bring something to our society, and statistics show that they're as likely as the educated Irish to work.

I'd hate a society that didn't welcome those coming here for a better life, and that will contribute. They're nothing like the travellers, or those on the dole that are unwilling to work

Unfortunately many of the current crop of economic migrants don't fit your description, or the ethos of the previous generation of migrants from places like Poland.

The current wave arriving in Europe arrive with their hand out, and by and large that doesn't change.

Skylinehead

LiamoSail wrote: »

Why include immigrants in that?

By and large, immigrants bring something to our society, and statistics show that they're as likely as the educated Irish to work.

I'd hate a society that didn't welcome those coming here for a better life, and that will contribute. They're nothing like the travellers, or those on the dole that are unwilling to work

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Unfortunately many of the current crop of economic migrants don't fit your description, or the ethos of the previous generation of migrants from places like Poland.

The current wave arriving in Europe arrive with their hand out, and by and large that doesn't change.

Do you ever stop? This thread is not about immigrants. It's about threads about immigrants :pac:

Richard Hillman

Hold on, Travellers are immigrating into Ireland and claiming the dole???

Fann Linn

Nixonbot wrote: »

Do you ever stop? This thread is not about immigrants. It's about threads about immigrants :pac:

In fairness it looks like Kaiser was just making a counter argument to Liam's.
Two of them should've been called out or none at all.

TheValeyard

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock

DS86DS wrote: »

To all the delicate and precious little snowflakes who are so offended by threads they don't agree with.

SOLUTION: Don't open that particular thread


Problem solved.

But it's the snowflakes STARTING the threads!!

Skylinehead

Fann Linn wrote: »

In fairness it looks like Kaiser was just making a counter argument to Liam's.
Two of them should've been called out or none at all.

I quoted both