Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

pistolpetes11 · 04-12-2018 03:51AM

tuxy wrote: »

Yes that was where the garda's tie was grabbed. The dog was killed before this incident.

Sounds like the guard says to get him off me before the shot ?

Could be the dog ? Maybe the Gentleman seen trying to hit the man in the van ?

Either way the guard has drawn his gun as he deemed it nessecery In the situation , the last thing most sane law abiding people would try to do is grab the armed guard by the tie as he may feel you are trying to pull him to the ground , this could lead to him being disarmed and in fear for his life, he could discharge his weapon.

Maybe it was the dog ? That would seem the most logical thing because surely most folks wouldn’t feel they are above the law and feel no need to follow the guards instructions

tuxy · 04-12-2018 03:55AM

Yeah hard to say. I just don't see or hear the dog in the video even when it pans back. I don't think someone shot in the foot would be that quick to drag a dead dog away.

Of course it's best not to speculation based on shaky video footage.

Roger Hassenforder · 04-12-2018 08:22AM

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Sounds like the guard says to get him off me before the shot ?

Could be the dog ? Maybe the Gentleman seen trying to hit the man in the van ?

Either way the guard has drawn his gun as he deemed it nessecery In the situation , the last thing most sane law abiding people would try to do is grab the armed guard by the tie as he may feel you are trying to pull him to the ground , this could lead to him being disarmed and in fear for his life, he could discharge his weapon.

Maybe it was the dog ? That would seem the most logical thing because surely most folks wouldn’t feel they are above the law and feel no need to follow the guards instructions

Yea, I reckon the dog is dead at this stage.
No sound of barking.
The cop looks to be trying to defend the chap in the van from the gentleman.
Why anyone would grab the tie of a cop holding a gun is beyond me.

gwalk · 04-12-2018 08:27AM

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

We're talking about certain aspects of traveler culture here, not prison :rolleyes:

so culture excuses paedophilia?

Edgware · 04-12-2018 09:12AM

gwalk wrote: »

so culture excuses paedophilia?

Is marrying your 16 year old cousin paedophilia?

gwalk · 04-12-2018 09:14AM

Edgware wrote: »

Is marrying your 16 year old cousin paedophilia?

15*

Roger Hassenforder · 04-12-2018 10:13AM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

If that's all you've said, then certainly not. Throughout this thread folk have implied it's the Catholic religion is responsible for how she behaves.

Without trolling through 100+ pages of sh1t. If you weren't one then fine.

Going by what you've said above we should be in agreement

You wouldnt mind linking any such post?

What you'll find are many references to travellers' religious beliefs, and how hypocritical they are to profess a strong faith where violence, theft and murder are anathema, yet where said Christian values are so lacking in their behaviour. I cant recall anyone saying they behave as they do because they are Catholic.

Any criticism of the Catholic aspect of their "culture" is their propensity for large families, which they are generally unable to support by their own means. But again its in the context of their overall behaviour in that if they were actual proper law abiding Catholics/Christians, there would be no issues!

The issue isnt her faith. Its her hypocrisy.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 10:21AM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Throughout this thread folk have implied it's the Catholic religion is responsible for how she behaves.

No, they haven't.

They have suggested only that the Catholic teaching on contraception plays a role in the large families that Traveller women tend to have.

However, nobody has suggested a connection between Catholicism and other aspects of her behavior.

Jerichoholic · 04-12-2018 10:34AM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Yea, I reckon the dog is dead at this stage.
No sound of barking.
The cop looks to be trying to defend the chap in the van from the gentleman.
Why anyone would grab the tie of a cop holding a gun is beyond me.

The "gentleman"

Well I lolled.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 11:06AM

goose2005 wrote: »

she must have been at least 16, which was legal in NI up until recently

Cash has repeatedly told the media that she got married at 15.

"I got married at 15," she said. "That's when I had my own family then. [As a child] my aunty fostered me and I class her kids as my own brothers and sisters.

The Independent reports the same thing:

Ms Cash says she was 15 when she got married and spent her childhood being raised by her aunt in caravans.

In the Facebook post above, she says that she had been with her husband for 14 years. She's 28 at present and he's 33, so that would suggest she was going out with him when she was 14 and he was 19.

Henry Ford III · 04-12-2018 11:10AM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

...In the Facebook post above, she says that she had been with her husband for 14 years. She's 28 at present and he's 33, so that would suggest she was going out with him when she was 14 and he was 19.

Displaying truly admirable restraint.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 11:32AM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Displaying truly admirable restraint.

Honestly, the more I read about her, the more I actually feel sorry for her.

Raised by an aunt in a caravan, taken out of school at 12, involved with a 19-year-old when she was 14, married at 15, pregnant at 16.

Yes, she has made a lot of bad choices and stupid decisions, but she never had much of a chance in life, given the culture in which she was raised.

The state should be trying to put an end to this culture, but instead we have politicians falling all over themselves about its "unique traditions."

Any culture that tries to turn girls into illiterate child brides and baby-making machines has no place in Ireland in 2018. That's would be the genuinely progressive stance to take here, as opposed to shouting "racism" every time anyone criticizes Traveller culture.

hurler32 · 04-12-2018 11:37AM

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/im-a-god-fearing-man-i-wouldnt-tell-lies-man-tells-court-after-judge-throws-out-compensation-claim-37589953.html

Another traveller involved in numerous personal injury claims over the years . Finally a judge who throws out one of his claims . All these travellers seem to end up crashing into each other ? Is it any wonder Ireland’s insurance premiums are the highest in Europe

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 11:39AM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Any culture that tries to turn girls into illiterate child brides and baby-making machines has no place in Ireland in 2018. That's would be the genuinely progressive stance to take here, as opposed to shouting "racism" every time anyone criticizes Traveller culture.

I'm always puzzled by the fact that the very people who pretend to support human rights, and especially women's rights, always seem to be the ones who cheerlead for "cultures" that deny human rights, and especially deny women's rights. It's almost as if they don't give a damn about those rights at all, but instead want to nurture "cultures" that they can feel superior to.

blanch152 · 04-12-2018 12:27PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Honestly, the more I read about her, the more I actually feel sorry for her.

Raised by an aunt in a caravan, taken out of school at 12, involved with a 19-year-old when she was 14, married at 15, pregnant at 16.

Yes, she has made a lot of bad choices and stupid decisions, but she never had much of a chance in life, given the culture in which she was raised.

The state should be trying to put an end to this culture, but instead we have politicians falling all over themselves about its "unique traditions."

Any culture that tries to turn girls into illiterate child brides and baby-making machines has no place in Ireland in 2018. That's would be the genuinely progressive stance to take here, as opposed to shouting "racism" every time anyone criticizes Traveller culture.

100% agree with this.

Have been banging this drum from the start in relation to Traveller culture. Leadership is needed from the likes of Pavee Point on this issue.

It is like addiction therapy, the patient has to admit to the problem before it can be cured successfully. Until the problems of Traveller culture are fully accepted and outed by the leadership of the Travelling community, and their supporters, the problem will not go away.

It is not just pressure on the 14 and 15-year old girls to marry, there is pressure on the young adult men to settle down with them in hetrosexual relationships, no matter what sexual orientation they have, and no matter how mature and ready they are for marriage. It is a form of institutionalised child abuse.

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 12:28PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Any culture that tries to turn girls into illiterate child brides and baby-making machines has no place in Ireland in 2018. That's would be the genuinely progressive stance to take here, as opposed to shouting "racism" every time anyone criticizes Traveller culture.

In fairness there are a few things the settled community could learn from the traveller community.

1) The family unit comes first - and is it is even stronger bond as it is not 'manufactured'

2) The large family unit looks after its own - through thick and thin

3) The older people in the traveller community are treated with respect.

All old values which I feel are slowly dying for the sake of 'modern Ireland' and so called 'progress'.

People seem to forget the positive points in the rest of the noise.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 12:29PM

blanch152 wrote: »

100% agree with this.

Have been banging this drum from the start in relation to Traveller culture. Leadership is needed from the likes of Pavee Point on this issue.

It is like addiction therapy, the patient has to admit to the problem before it can be cured successfully. Until the problems of Traveller culture are fully accepted and outed by the leadership of the Travelling community, and their supporters, the problem will not go away.

It is not just pressure on the 14 and 15-year old girls to marry, there is pressure on the young adult men to settle down with them in hetrosexual relationships, no matter what sexual orientation they have, and no matter how mature and ready they are for marriage. It is a form of institutionalised child abuse.

Good luck with that.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 12:29PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness there are a few things the settled community could learn from the traveller community.

1) The family unit comes first - and is it is even stronger bond as it is not 'manufactured'

2) The large family unit looks after its own - through thick and thin

3) The older people in the traveller community are treated with respect.

All old values which I feel are slowly dying for the sake of 'modern Ireland' and so called 'progress'.

if you don't mind me saying while you're grinding that axe into oblivion that that's a serious load of groundless sh!t..

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 12:30PM

Can she stop having so many kids?

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 12:31PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness there are a few things the settled community could learn from the traveller community.

1) The family unit comes first - and is it is even stronger bond as it is not 'manufactured'

2) The large family unit looks after its own - through thick and thin

3) The older people in the traveller community are treated with respect.

All old values which I feel are slowly dying for the sake of 'modern Ireland' and so called 'progress'.

People seem to forget the positive points in the rest of the noise.

what about treating older people not in the traveling community with respect instead of putting them in fear of their life while robbing them?

blanch152 · 04-12-2018 12:34PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness there are a few things the settled community could learn from the traveller community.

1) The family unit comes first - and is it is even stronger bond as it is not 'manufactured'

2) The large family unit looks after its own - through thick and thin

3) The older people in the traveller community are treated with respect.

All old values which I feel are slowly dying for the sake of 'modern Ireland' and so called 'progress'.

People seem to forget the positive points in the rest of the noise.

1) Yes, the family unit comes first, here is your second cousin, you're marrying him next week

2) Yes, the large family unit looks after its own through thick and thin, let's get the family of that Garda who arrested young Johnny last week

3) "The life expectancy of a male Traveller is currently 61.7 years, which is 15.1 years less than men in the general population". What old people?

SusieBlue · 04-12-2018 12:35PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness there are a few things the settled community could learn from the traveller community.

1) The family unit comes first - and is it is even stronger bond as it is not 'manufactured'

2) The large family unit looks after its own - through thick and thin

3) The older people in the traveller community are treated with respect.

All old values which I feel are slowly dying for the sake of 'modern Ireland' and so called 'progress'.

People seem to forget the positive points in the rest of the noise.

Can you explain what you mean by manufactured, please?

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 12:38PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what about treating older people not in the traveling community with respect instead of putting them in fear of their life while robbing them?

I thought this thread did not like whataboutery?

I just pointed out positive aspects of traveller culture.
But it does not fit the whataboutery agenda when it suits others to do so.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 12:38PM

cloudy90210 wrote: »

Can she stop having so many kids?

No, it's part of her culture.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 12:40PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I thought this thread did not like whataboutery?

I just pointed out positive aspects of traveller culture.
But it does not fit the whataboutery agenda when it suits others to do so.

Positive effects for them, perhaps. what positive effects do they have on those outside the traveling communit?

SusieBlue · 04-12-2018 12:40PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I thought this thread did not like whataboutery?

I just pointed out positive aspects of traveller culture.
But it does not fit the whataboutery agenda when it suits others to do so.

Its not whataboutery, you can't praise them for treating their elderly with respect when they are notorious for terrorizing, intimidating and tormenting the elderly in the settled community.
The majority of the elderly in the "settled" community is terrified of them.

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 12:43PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Can you explain what you mean by manufactured, please?

I think you know exactly what I mean, the non-traveller community are more inclined to have 2.5 kids.

Two parents working to pay for someone else (a creche) to bring up thier kids.
Then mostly only get 'quality time' at weekends.
They are 'part-time parents' with full time jobs.
But that is the way society at large in Ireland has gone now and it is viewed as the norm.

blanch152 · 04-12-2018 12:45PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I thought this thread did not like whataboutery?

I just pointed out positive aspects of traveller culture.
But it does not fit the whataboutery agenda when it suits others to do so.

They were not positive aspects of traveller culture.

The traveller notion of family is based around a purely heterosexual model, in many ways nearly an identikit replica of the Catholic family morality. Such a model is no longer considered by any decent society to be positive.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 12:46PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think you know exactly what I mean, the non-traveller community are more inclined to have 2.5 kids.

Two parents working to pay for someone else (a creche) to bring up thier kids.
Then mostly only get 'quality time' at weekends.
They are 'part-time parents' with full time jobs.
But that is the way society at large in Ireland has gone now and it is viewed as the norm.

and?

have you a specific problem with law abiding working citizens?

I fear what you mean by 'manufactured' is couples taking responsibility for their own reproduction and using birth control... I'd say you're coming from a very dated and defunct Catholic family 'planning' background where your direction came from the local parish priest

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 12:47PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think you know exactly what I mean, the non-traveller community are more inclined to have 2.5 kids.

Two parents working to pay for someone else (a creche) to bring up thier kids.
Then mostly only get 'quality time' at weekends.
They are 'part-time parents' with full time jobs.
But that is the way society at large has gone now and it is viewed as the norm.

If it is the way that society at large has gone then it IS the norm. that is how we define what the norm is. They also only have so few kids because they have to pay for them. Kids are expensive. Travelers are not aware of this because they get the state to pay for them. I also loved how you put quality time in quotes. What are travelers doing during their quality time with their kids? It certainly is not spent educating them how to be decent members of society.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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