Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

demfad · 03-12-2018 12:00pm #1

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ahh come on now. There are war criminals, paedophiles, even if you want to keep it to politics theres chinese and south american leaders starving people to death, theres kim jong un who keeps all of his people oppressed. There is definitely a list of people currently still alive and definitely historically who have been infinitely worse than donald trump.

Jeffrey Epstein will be the subject of a civil lawsuit.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article219494920.html "The civil lawsuit was an effort by Roberts not just to clear her name, but an attempt to prove that Epstein and Maxwell operated an international underage sex trafficking operation."

You can read about the unspeakability that is Jeffrey Epstein in the article.
One of the man who was accused of sexual abusing a victim 6 times was Alan Dershowitz, Trump lawyer and defender. Epstein was defended by US attorney Acosta now secretary of Labor for Trump.

Epstein and other traffickers used model agencies to recruit and groom young girls as well as picking up vulnerable poor girls and offering them money to give massages.

Casablanas had a big agency with underage models as did Donald Trump.

THis was the case filed by Jane Doe against Trump and Epstein:

https://www.mondialisation.ca/katie-johnson-v-donald-j-trump-and-jeffrey-e-epstein-trump-child-rape-claim-for-100-million-denied-by-trump-attorney/5534676

“Plaintiff was subject to acts of rape, sexual misconduct, criminal sexual acts, sexual abuse, forcible touching, assault, battery, intentional and reckless infliction of emotional distress, duress, false imprisonment, and threats of death and/or serious bodily injury by the Defendants that took place at several parties during the summer months of 1994. The parties were held by Defendant Epstein at a New York City residence that was being used by Defendant Epstein at 9 E. 71st St. in Manhattan [known as the Wexler Mansion]. During this period, Plaintiff was a minor of age 13….”

This is the testominy of the victim:

https://creativeonion.me/the-metoo-story-no-one-is-talking-about-ea1d23f63384

Defendant Trump had sexual contact with me at four different parties in the summer of 1994. On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and proceeded to forcibly rape me. During the course of this savage sexual attack, I loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but he did not. Defendant Trump responded to my pleas by violently striking me in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.
Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed.
Then Epstein, rapes Jane Doe, and threatens her family’s lives, and then this happens:

Defendant Trump stated that I shouldn’t ever say anything if I didn’t want to disappear like Maria, a 12-year-old female that was forced to be involved in the third incident with Defendant Trump and that I had not seen since that third incident, and that he was capable of having my whole family killed.

I am coming forward to swear to the truthfulness of the physical and sexual abuse that I personally witnessed of minor females at the hands of Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein . . . I swear to these facts under the penalty for perjury even though I fully understand that the life of myself and my family is now in grave danger.

Just before Jane Doe was due to give a press conference about the case this happenned:

Jane Doe was here all day. She was prepared to go forward. She has received some terrible threats, as have all the Trump accusers who I have been representing for several months. She was in great fear, and was unable, ultimately, to do this.

I woulkd guess the company Black Cube used by Wienstein and Cambridge Analytica was deployed to make a credible threat to the life of the defendent or her family to save Trump.

Given that Trump's access to hundreds of underage girls through his and other friends modelling agencies, his attendance at these Epstein parties and god knows how many others over MANY DECADES I would believe the above episodes could have happenned 10s or 100s of times with different underage girls.

The crimes we see this monster performing now in plain sight or nothing to what he has already done.

Professor Moriarty · 03-12-2018 2:21pm

demfad wrote: »

Jeffrey Epstein will be the subject of a civil lawsuit.
<a href="http://The civil lawsuit was an effort by Roberts not just to clear her name, but an attempt to prove that Epstein and Maxwell operated an international underage sex trafficking operation." target="_blank">https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article219494920.html "The civil lawsuit was an effort by Roberts not just to clear her name, but an attempt to prove that Epstein and Maxwell operated an international underage sex trafficking operation."

You can read about the unspeakability that is Jeffrey Epstein in the article.
One of the man who was accused of sexual abusing a victim 6 times was Alan Dershowitz, Trump lawyer and defender. Epstein was defended by US attorney Acosta now secretary of Labor for Trump.

Epstein and other traffickers used model agencies to recruit and groom young girls as well as picking up vulnerable poor girls and offering them money to give massages.

Casablanas had a big agency with underage models as did Donald Trump.

THis was the case filed by Jane Doe against Trump and Epstein:

https://www.mondialisation.ca/katie-johnson-v-donald-j-trump-and-jeffrey-e-epstein-trump-child-rape-claim-for-100-million-denied-by-trump-attorney/5534676

This is the testominy of the victim:

https://creativeonion.me/the-metoo-story-no-one-is-talking-about-ea1d23f63384

Just before Jane Doe was due to give a press conference about the case this happenned:

I woulkd guess the company Black Cube used by Wienstein and Cambridge Analytica was deployed to make a credible threat to the life of the defendent or her family to save Trump.

Given that Trump's access to hundreds of underage girls through his and other friends modelling agencies, his attendance at these Epstein parties and god knows how many others over MANY DECADES I would believe the above episodes could have happenned 10s or 100s of times with different underage girls.

The crimes we see this monster performing now in plain sight or nothing to what he has already done.

Wow! If true, he really is a pig.

Captain Obvious · 03-12-2018 2:29pm

I think we all guessed that Pizzagate was just another example of projection by those involved.

Quin_Dub · 03-12-2018 3:22pm

spacecoyote wrote: »

Some of what I've read on this seems a bit strange, and makes me ask further questions.

The point from some commentators is (including Nate Silver), even if its proven that there was fraud in the 2 counties in the district, that they may not constitute a large enough change in the numbers to result in a change to the actual election result. In one county, there were around 700 absentee ballots counted, of which the Rep received 450. So even if they were miscounted, it wouldn't make up a 900 vote deficit. Though one article I read does state that there were a significant number of absentee ballots that were requested, but don't appear to have been returned, with the implication that they may have been destroyed/un-counted. If that's the case, then there are enough potential votes to change the result.

However, I would have thought, if its proven that there was election fraud, that it should remove the candidate running for office from the running, and potentially have criminal implications? The most that seems to be getting said is that it would invalidate the election & call for a re-run.

Yes - 2 counties had a "unreturned" rates significantly larger than any others - The Average rate was something like 20% and Bladen county had a non return rate of north of 40% and another was over 60%..

I'd agree , that regardless of whether there were enough votes impacted to change the results , if it's proven that the candidate (or an employee of their election team) were involved in illegal vote tampering, then the result should be nullified and another election held.

Also worth noting is that the GOP candidate won the primary against an incumbent GOP guy and there were questions asked about behaviours in that vote too.

everlast75 · 03-12-2018 5:05pm

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1069619316319035392?s=19

The first few tweets today were done by advisors.

He must habe wrestled his mobile back off them.

The desperation is palpable.

Ps - "guts" - says the guy who hasn't got the guts to sit down with Mueller himself

spacecoyote · 03-12-2018 5:19pm

I love how he is talking up the removal of the tariffs as if he has brokered some amazing deal to fix a problem someone else created.

In essence it looks like they've gone back to the exact same situation they were in before this mess was created, and he's trying to sell it as if he's saved all of America.

I know that some people in his base will try to play this as if "Business Man" Trump has done a great deal, it really is the blind leading the blind

ancapailldorcha · 03-12-2018 7:30pm

Continuation of the discussion of Donald Trump's Presidency.

Please read the charter before posting.

Billy Mays · 03-12-2018 7:34pm

Even the dictionary is taking the piss out of him at this stage

https://mobile.twitter.com/MerriamWebster/status/1069624230701092864

Scott Free ffs

FreudianSlippers · 03-12-2018 7:41pm

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1069619316319035392?s=19

The first few tweets today were done by advisors.

He must habe wrestled his mobile back off them.

The desperation is palpable.

Ps - "guts" - says the guy who hasn't got the guts to sit down with Mueller himself

It's startling how transparent he is with regard to who he will and won't pardon. These tweets are a clear signal - don't testify and I'll pardon you. That must be illegal...

BabyCheeses · 03-12-2018 8:08pm

Trump is unhappy with how much the US spends on the military. This was after he increased spending on the military.

I'm sure this is was all part of some genius plan of his we aren't getting but someone will create the plan soon for us.

everlast75 · 03-12-2018 8:25pm

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Trump is unhappy with how much the US spends on the military. This was after he increased spending on the military.

I'm sure this is was all part of some genius plan of his we aren't getting but someone will create the plan soon for us.

George Conway certainly thinks so....

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1069622944152911872?s=19

Eric Cartman · 03-12-2018 8:37pm

demfad wrote: »

Jeffrey Epstein will be the subject of a civil lawsuit.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article219494920.html "The civil lawsuit was an effort by Roberts not just to clear her name, but an attempt to prove that Epstein and Maxwell operated an international underage sex trafficking operation."

You can read about the unspeakability that is Jeffrey Epstein in the article.
One of the man who was accused of sexual abusing a victim 6 times was Alan Dershowitz, Trump lawyer and defender. Epstein was defended by US attorney Acosta now secretary of Labor for Trump.

Epstein and other traffickers used model agencies to recruit and groom young girls as well as picking up vulnerable poor girls and offering them money to give massages.

Casablanas had a big agency with underage models as did Donald Trump.

THis was the case filed by Jane Doe against Trump and Epstein:

https://www.mondialisation.ca/katie-johnson-v-donald-j-trump-and-jeffrey-e-epstein-trump-child-rape-claim-for-100-million-denied-by-trump-attorney/5534676

This is the testominy of the victim:

https://creativeonion.me/the-metoo-story-no-one-is-talking-about-ea1d23f63384

Just before Jane Doe was due to give a press conference about the case this happenned:

I woulkd guess the company Black Cube used by Wienstein and Cambridge Analytica was deployed to make a credible threat to the life of the defendent or her family to save Trump.

Given that Trump's access to hundreds of underage girls through his and other friends modelling agencies, his attendance at these Epstein parties and god knows how many others over MANY DECADES I would believe the above episodes could have happenned 10s or 100s of times with different underage girls.

The crimes we see this monster performing now in plain sight or nothing to what he has already done.

Epstein was closer to bill clinton than trump ever was, Dershowitz was a HRC campaign donor in 2008.

No link between trump and convicted child abusers in Epsteins circle has ever been proved , if smoke without fire is allowed theres a list of people who should bare the brunt of this before trump and HRC + Bill Clinton are two of those.

TomOnBoard · 03-12-2018 8:37pm

everlast75 wrote: »

George Conway certainly thinks so....

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1069622944152911872?s=19

I think George Conway is referencing Trump's tweet as being an attempt to illegally influence the sentencing of Michael Cohen rather than anything to do with the military..

Captain Obvious · 03-12-2018 8:39pm

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1069631759573225474

What a weird sentiment.

dinorebel · 03-12-2018 8:56pm

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1069619316319035392?s=19

The first few tweets today were done by advisors.

He must habe wrestled his mobile back off them.

The desperation is palpable.

Ps - "guts" - says the guy who hasn't got the guts to sit down with Mueller himself

it'll be hilarious when Stone flips which he will.

everlast75 · 03-12-2018 8:58pm

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I think George Conway is referencing Trump's tweet as being an attempt to illegally influence the sentencing of Michael Cohen rather than anything to do with the military..

Sorry - quoted the wrong post

prawnsambo · 03-12-2018 8:59pm

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I think George Conway is referencing Trump's tweet as being an attempt to illegally influence the sentencing of Michael Cohen rather than anything to do with the military..

Witness tampering is the section of the US penal code he's referring to. Could be obstruction of justice too.

serfboard · 03-12-2018 9:05pm

Donald J Trump wrote:

“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone

"I would take a bullet for Donald Trump". This statement was made at one time by Michael Cohen.

everlast75 · 03-12-2018 9:23pm

Interesting to note what DJT thought of Stone when interviewed for an article by Toobin...

BabyCheeses · 03-12-2018 10:48pm

everlast75 wrote: »

George Conway certainly thinks so....

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1069622944152911872?s=19

Why does he refer to himself as "President Trump"? Is he like Cartman and thinks the Clintons are really in charge?

TomOnBoard · 03-12-2018 11:29pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Witness tampering is the section of the US penal code he's referring to. Could be obstruction of justice too.

At this stage, given that only sentencing remains, its likely that he was referring to Trump trying to influence Cohen's sentence...

This is taken from: https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1724-protection-government-processes-omnibus-clause-18-usc-1503

Convictions under the omnibus clause of 18 U.S.C. § 1503 have been based on the following conduct:

H. Endeavoring to influence, through a third party, a judge. United States v. Glickman, 604 F.2d 625 (9th Cir. 1979), cert. denied, 444 U.S. 1080 (1980); United States v. Fasolino, 586 F.2d 939 (2d Cir. 1978) (per curiam), or a juror, United States v. Ogle, 613 F.2d 233 (10th Cir. 1979), cert. denied, 449 U.S. 825 (1980).

Water John · 03-12-2018 11:32pm

VPOTUS says in his eulogy on GHW Bush, that he never declined to serve.
Oh that could hit a nerve.

circadian · 04-12-2018 12:19am

Water John wrote: »

VPOTUS says in his eulogy on GHW Bush, that he never declined to serve.
Oh that could hit a nerve.

Did he shoehorn lodestar in there or has he dropped that once he found out no one else uses that word?

Igotadose · 04-12-2018 11:13am

Pretty much as predicted, now that the midterms are mostly over save the NC case, media are expecting Mueller to come out with 'stuff' this week - more indictments. 192 criminal charges filed so far, impressive, across 36 people. Michael Flynn and Manafort on the docket for this week, Tuesday and Friday resp.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/robert-mueller-donald-trump-michael-flynn-paul-manafort-russia-investigation/index.html

Professor Moriarty · 04-12-2018 11:14am

Igotadose wrote: »

Pretty much as predicted, now that the midterms are mostly over save the NC case, media are expecting Mueller to come out with 'stuff' this week - more indictments. 192 criminal charges filed so far, impressive, across 36 people. Michael Flynn and Manafort on the docket for this week, Tuesday and Friday resp.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/robert-mueller-donald-trump-michael-flynn-paul-manafort-russia-investigation/index.html

Good to see Mueller draining the swamp.

mcmoustache · 04-12-2018 11:24am

Igotadose wrote: »

Pretty much as predicted, now that the midterms are mostly over save the NC case, media are expecting Mueller to come out with 'stuff' this week - more indictments. 192 criminal charges filed so far, impressive, across 36 people. Michael Flynn and Manafort on the docket for this week, Tuesday and Friday resp.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/robert-mueller-donald-trump-michael-flynn-paul-manafort-russia-investigation/index.html

According to Peter Carr, Mueller's spokesman and "No Comment" specialist, a lot of the Manafort memo willl be public.

But Peter Carr, spokesman for the special counsel, confirmed to Yahoo News on Monday that the Manafort memo “will be public,” although he added there could be some portions that are redacted or filed as a sealed addendum. The Manafort memo has been requested by the federal judge in his case so that prosecutors could, for the first time, spell out what matters they believe Manafort has lied to them about.

The article is by Michael Isikoff and also contains some other interesting titbits such as:

That message was reinforced to some degree Monday when Mueller’s office talked to congressional investigators as part of an ongoing discussion about whether new subpoenas for testimony by House and Senate committees might interfere with Mueller’s investigation.

The response, which surprised one investigator, was that it would not, at least in matters relating to alleged obstruction by the White House in the Russia investigation itself. “What we were told is that the investigation has reached a mature enough stage that they’ve basically talked to everybody they want to talk to,” said a knowledgeable source who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter.

everlast75 · 04-12-2018 11:28am

mcmoustache wrote: »

According to Peter Carr, Mueller's spokesman and "No Comment" specialist, a lot of the Manafort memo willl be public.

The article is by Michael Isikoff and also contains some other interesting titbits such as:

As will Cohen's.

Plus whilst Comey's appearance before the Senate will be closed, the transcript of it will be released the next day.

All the while Eric T is having a go at KAH's husband for stating in a tweet that Trump's tweets about Cohen and Stone are effectively obstructing justice.

This week is going to be mental.

Professor Moriarty · 04-12-2018 11:31am

everlast75 wrote: »

As will Cohen's.

Plus whilst Comey's appearance before the Senate will be closed, the transcript of it will be released the next day.

All the while Eric T is having a go at KAH's husband for stating in a tweet that Trump's tweets about Cohen and Stone are effectively obstructing justice.

This week is going to be mental.

Would love to be invited along for Christmas dinner in Kellyanne's house. I'd bring a nice bottle of wine and some popcorn.

everlast75 · 04-12-2018 11:32am

PS - more bad news for DJT. The emoluments case is proceeding...

https://twitter.com/NormEisen/status/1069697288233254913

Gbear · 04-12-2018 11:58am

everlast75 wrote: »

PS - more bad news for DJT. The emoluments case is proceeding...

https://twitter.com/NormEisen/status/1069697288233254913

Is there a breakdown of the nuts and bolts of the case and what the implications would be if they find against Trump?

demfad · 04-12-2018 2:41pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Epstein was closer to bill clinton than trump ever was, Dershowitz was a HRC campaign donor in 2008.

No link between trump and convicted child abusers in Epsteins circle has ever been proved , if smoke without fire is allowed theres a list of people who should bare the brunt of this before trump and HRC + Bill Clinton are two of those.

A victim who was 13 at the time was on the verge of bringing Trump to court until she was threatened.
She accused Trump of sexually assaulting her and rape with Jeffrey Epstein.
Presumably Jeffrey Epstein is part of the Jeffrey Epstein circle?
Dershowitz has repeatedly publicly defended Trump: as lately as last week. He still works for Epstein.
Acosta who defended Epstein in his case is now Minister for Labour.

This is only an internet forum. You personally are not on trial. Could you park your gaslighting and BS when it comes to discussing the rape and abuse of minors?

demfad · 04-12-2018 2:59pm

Sentencing Memos coming up this week which will reveal a lot of the Mueller investigation. Flynn's today (May be sealed), Manafort's on Friday wont be sealed.
Memo will be explaining in detail how Manafort lied to thwart his coperation agreement.
Mueller will use these memos to cover the possibility of a hostile AG supressing his final report.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/03/opinions/mueller-is-about-to-have-his-say-honig/index.html

Igotadose · 04-12-2018 4:04pm

demfad wrote: »

Dershowitz has repeatedly publicly defended Trump: as lately as last week. He still works for Epstein.
Acosta who defended Epstein in his case is now Minister for Labour.

Uhh, secretary of Labor not minister

And it's labor in the US. j/k

Epstein is nothing new, though the Miami newspaper expose is interesting. I want to point out, that when Epstein was making news (before Trump was in the picture), Dershowitz was mentioned and the guy went nuclear, saying things like he'd 'destroy' any lawyer that took a case against him and have him disbarred, etc. etc. Dershowitz's not a nice guy and (IANAL but am related to a few) threatening other lawyers was over the top. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30705703

Lolle06 · 04-12-2018 4:21pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Epstein was closer to bill clinton than trump ever was, Dershowitz was a HRC campaign donor in 2008.

No link between trump and convicted child abusers in Epsteins circle has ever been proved , if smoke without fire is allowed theres a list of people who should bare the brunt of this before trump and HRC + Bill Clinton are two of those.

I think you find that Epstein is a good buddy of both men - Clinton AND Trump.
Two wrongs don’t make it right though, so you should drop your defence of the indefensible!

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/trump-official-helped-millionaire-accused-of-pedophilia-get-off-nearly-scot-free-1.6700800

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-civil-case-witness-list-billionaire-paedophile-a7631891.html

>>“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002, calling Epstein a “terrific guy,” and “a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.“<<

That is a quote by Donald Trump, NOT the Clintons!

everlast75 · 04-12-2018 4:32pm

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1069970500535902208

Does anyone out there really believe that this guy knows what the hell he is talking about? "Taking in" billions in tariffs?

Professor Moriarty · 04-12-2018 4:42pm

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1069970500535902208

Does anyone out there really believe that this guy knows what the hell he is talking about? "Taking in" billions in tariffs?

If you replace "we are" with 'I am', it makes perfect sense.

eire4 · 04-12-2018 9:24pm

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Trump is unhappy with how much the US spends on the military. This was after he increased spending on the military.

I'm sure this is was all part of some genius plan of his we aren't getting but someone will create the plan soon for us.

Of course I mean come on the US only spends way more then any country on the planet on their military and has even increased that spending under the current regime. How could he not be unhappy it is just not enough.

Nody · 04-12-2018 9:27pm

Gbear wrote: »

Is there a breakdown of the nuts and bolts of the case and what the implications would be if they find against Trump?

This tweet summarized it well.

https://twitter.com/feefer2/status/1069726769547071489

Water John · 04-12-2018 9:52pm

Dow down about 3% today, very volatile.

Gbear · 04-12-2018 10:02pm

Nody wrote: »

This tweet summarized it well.

https://twitter.com/feefer2/status/1069726769547071489

So even if, one way or the other, he can be found in favour of in this case, it might well have broader implications with regards to money laundering, fraud, tax evasion, corruption or treason if there are irregularities in his returns.

Why does it matter that they are made public or otherwise analysed? If he was guilty of anything and his returns pointed to it, why wouldn't the IRS already have fallen on him like a pack of rabid dogs?

As I understand it, all Americans file tax returns directly, so surely they already have whatever he's made available, and as someone whose known to be involved with numerous shady or crooked individuals, they'd have been sniffing around him for years?

prawnsambo · 04-12-2018 10:06pm

Gbear wrote: »

So even if, one way or the other, he can be found in favour of in this case, it might well have broader implications with regards to money laundering, fraud, tax evasion, corruption or treason if there are irregularities in his returns.

Why does it matter that they are made public or otherwise analysed? If he was guilty of anything and his returns pointed to it, why wouldn't the IRS already have fallen on him like a pack of rabid dogs?

As I understand it, all Americans file tax returns directly, so surely they already have whatever he's made available, and as someone whose known to be involved with numerous shady or crooked individuals, they'd have been sniffing around him for years?

You can assume Mueller has them right from the beginning. So whatever they reveal to him has already been followed through on. But making them public means that they are now available politically as well. So it will be a storm in the media and the houses of congress. It could completely destroy his ambitions of running in 2020. Assuming he gets that far of course.

PopePalpatine · 04-12-2018 10:07pm

Water John wrote: »

Dow down about 3% today, very volatile.

Has he started blaming the Democrats yet?

Professor Moriarty · 04-12-2018 10:14pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Has he started blaming the Democrats yet?

Has he ever stopped blaming the Democrats?

Itssoeasy · 04-12-2018 10:26pm

What time today is the Michael Flynn document being released ? I realise that some of it may be kept under seal but it's expected to be filed today in court.

robinph · 04-12-2018 10:34pm

Gbear wrote: »

Nody wrote: »

This tweet summarized it well.

https://twitter.com/feefer2/status/1069726769547071489

So even if, one way or the other, he can be found in favour of in this case, it might well have broader implications with regards to money laundering, fraud, tax evasion, corruption or treason if there are irregularities in his returns.

Why does it matter that they are made public or otherwise analysed? If he was guilty of anything and his returns pointed to it, why wouldn't the IRS already have fallen on him like a pack of rabid dogs?

As I understand it, all Americans file tax returns directly, so surely they already have whatever he's made available, and as someone whose known to be involved with numerous shady or crooked individuals, they'd have been sniffing around him for years?

There is a diffence between your tax returns showing money being paid to you for business deals with Russia and any tax issues that may raise, and having dealings with Russia whilst running for president and claiming to have nothing to do with them.

everlast75 · 04-12-2018 10:56pm

Stone is pleading the 5th

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1070068482337894406?s=19

Itssoeasy · 04-12-2018 11:06pm

So what happened to stone saying there was no situation he'd testify against trump as he'd have to lie ?

Isn't pleading the 5th basically saying if you said anything you'd incriminate yourself.

everlast75 · 04-12-2018 11:21pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So what happened to stone saying there was no situation he'd testify against trump as he'd have to lie ?

Isn't pleading the 5th basically saying if you said anything you'd incriminate yourself.

“The mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - 2016

Itssoeasy · 04-12-2018 11:22pm

Lindsay graham and bob corker had a briefing with the CIA director and are clearly annoyed about what they heard about mbs and his involvement in the murder in turkey.

mcmoustache · 05-12-2018 12:17am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

What time today is the Michael Flynn document being released ? I realise that some of it may be kept under seal but it's expected to be filed today in court.

Midnight here, according to strangers on the internet.

TomOnBoard · 05-12-2018 12:26am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So what happened to stone saying there was no situation he'd testify against trump as he'd have to lie ?

Isn't pleading the 5th basically saying if you said anything you'd incriminate yourself.

It's the safest legal strategy for him vis a vis Congressional committees. By pleading the 5th, he can't be accused of lying to Congress later, if anyone else has said something that he tells differently. By pleading the 5th to Congressional committees, however, it doesn't reduce his exposure from.evidence of alleged wrongdoing that might have been supplied from other sources, such as Cohen and/or Manafort/Gates of Credito/Corsi.

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