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Would you like to attend a housing protest?

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  • #422
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    BlackandGreen wrote: »
    I think it's important to make a stand no matter what group you fall into. I don't agree with all or most of the groups that attended but, I attended as a lot of others did.
    Merely followers angry at FG for some reason or another.
    So what solutions were put out there by the speakers?
    In some ways I'm surprised that SF had the gall to be there criticising inaction given how dominant they are on various county councils.

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  • #423
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BlackandGreen wrote: »
    As for why I was there myself, I'll re-iterate.

    I was there not affiliated with any group. Just there to represent myself a tax payer working in a skilled industry, who is being affected by this crisis.
    I think it's important to make a stand no matter what group you fall into. I don't agree with all or most of the groups that attended but, I attended as a lot of others did.
    Merely followers angry at FG for some reason or another.

    Protesting is an important democratic process and I was glad to be part of it. Ye should go see it yourselves lads sometime lads. It was an interesting day out all the same. Not like I had anything else to do.

    And as business went on as usual on o'connell street I managed to get some lovely donuts and tea. Jesus they were to die for :D

    Interesting posts. Would you say that the genuine homeless were present or represented?


  • #424
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Lol, one crowd calling Leo a neo liberal, the other calling him a leftist.

    You can be sure he is in the centre when he gets the above reactions.

    A guy at the protest was interviewed on RTE saying he rings every day and there's nothing, so he has to go to hotels every evening and walk the streets with his four kids during the day (crap situation but someone else is still paying for him and his children to be housed in the hotels). Now he has likely had a sh1te upbringing - I know getting a job wouldn't be easy for him, but what he certainly shouldn't be doing is having unprotected sex, and acting as though he is owed and entitled, and that none of it is down to his own choices. The government is building social housing - it doesn't happen overnight, there will also be objections to certain proposed housing and purchasing which delays things further, and some people have the cheek to refuse accommodation that they are offered. Now I know nobody in Dublin wants to live in Longford but you have to do stuff like this if you are homeless. :confused: You have to make the best of things.

    There's all this "We want something done now!" talk. But what?

    What RTE covered then, which really made me see red, was the travellers protesting for housing. I thought they were "travellers"? And they were protesting about the poor condition of halting sites. A condition caused by whom? Not the government.

    I wouldn't do it as I'm too close to my family and friends, but I fantasise about emigrating to a fairer society. I worry greatly about this country - as the fairness towards people in the middle who do the right thing seems to be fizzling out, and the rights of the absolute dregs seem to be increasing. And these well-to-do, ultra privileged folks in the upper classes who will never ever have to deal with said dregs, are ensuring it happens. It's depressing.

    This post by johnnyskeleton on a recent closed thread absolutely nails it: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108751529&postcount=44


  • #425
    BlackandGreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭BlackandGreen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Interesting posts. Would you say that the genuine homeless were present or represented?

    I'm sure they were present. But no, none of the groups present seemed to be legit on the street homeless. But there was lots of people there struggling for sure.

    I'll make a note however that there is quite a visible presence of homelessness in Dublin.
    I don't mean the likes of the roma beggars, there was lots of Irish homeless too, men and women lying and sitting around in the rain and cold.


  • #426
    BlackandGreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭BlackandGreen


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    So what solutions were put out there by the speakers?
    In some ways I'm surprised that SF had the gall to be there criticising inaction given how dominant they are on various county councils.

    I wasn't really paying much attention to be honest. Each group got up and shouted about whatever, and im sure at some stage they asked a bunch of questions and shouted out demands, or something.

    Each group has different solutions put forward.

    Regardless of those.
    The government already has dozens of solutions, a whole list of them, they have specialist advisors and are paid a lot to implement these policies and take action.
    The solutions are already out there.


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  • #427
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,677 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    BlackandGreen wrote: »
    I wasn't really paying much attention to be honest. Each group got up and shouted about whatever, and im sure at some stage they asked a bunch of questions and shouted out demands, or something.

    Each group has different solutions put forward.

    Regardless of those.
    The government already has dozens of solutions, a whole list of them, they have specialist advisors and are paid a lot to implement these policies and take action.
    The solutions are already out there.
    You believe those morons are capable or want to solve this crisis for some ? Loll

    The cost of building apartments is ridiculous, the “standards” they insist on , make it totally unaffordable for the masses. Dual aspect , ridiculous height limitations , the lift core ratio. People are living out of vans, on the streets, in kind, ridiculous commutes! It’s like telling someone on low to mid pay to go out and drive a Bentley. They are total morons. Total morons !


  • #428
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,677 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    “I wouldn't do it as I'm too close to my family and friends, but I fantasise about emigrating to a fairer society. I worry greatly about this country - as the fairness towards people in the middle who do the right thing seems to be fizzling out, and the rights of the absolute dregs seem to be increasing. And these well-to-do, ultra privileged folks in the upper classes who will never ever have to deal with said dregs, are ensuring it happens. It's depressing.

    This post by johnnyskeleton on a recent closed thread absolutely nails it: https://www.boards.ie/...529&postcount=44“

    Let me tell you where the dregs and workers have in common. Bring bled dry to put a roof over your head. The government have created the situation, let that scum solve it ! They want totally unaffordable property, as it benefits them and many of their constituents ( tend to be older and vote ) , the cost it comes to at the rest of us is morally disgusting !


  • #429
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    That's it - it's all the current government's fault, none lies with their predecessors, or people who acted the moron during the "boom", or irresponsible banking practices, or people causing themselves to be in a difficult situation now due to their own irresponsible behaviour such as not working, having lots of children, being evicted for anti social behaviour. It's not down to a global recession (nah it was just in Ireland, caused by Leo going back in a time machine) or landlord greed.

    And no, that (what you said) is not what workers and dregs have in common.

    Your posts are just unhinged rants.


  • #430
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    We thought about protesting but decided instead to work hard, save & buy a house instead of waiting for the state to wipe our holes for us.

    No regrets.


  • #431
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Naos wrote: »
    I don't think anyone is ever including those will genuine illnesses or disabilities when discussing long-term dole recipients in terms of them being scroungers.

    Hm.
    But that's the thing.
    No one ever provides stats as to the amount of proper "scroungers", unless they have and I've missed it amongst the billion scrounger posts on here

    Is it 0.1%
    1%
    2%
    0.5%
    0.25%

    Forgive me for being confused but the multitude of threads and posts indicate to me a vast swathe of posters think it's 50%+ maybe
    Mind you, don't forget to exclude who you think isn't a proper scrounger
    Anecdotes not accepted :)


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  • #432
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Hm.
    But that's the thing.
    No one ever provides stats as to the amount of proper "scroungers", unless they have and I've missed it amongst the billion scrounger posts on here

    Is it 0.1%
    1%
    2%
    0.5%
    0.25%

    Forgive me for being confused but the multitude of threads and posts indicate to me a vast swathe of posters think it's 50%+ maybe
    Mind you, don't forget to exclude who you think isn't a proper scrounger
    Anecdotes not accepted :)

    Seriously how can anyone provide stats on something like that.

    Yeah the cso keeps stats on proper scroungers!!

    We all know the score with this except for the leafy suburbs of foxrock cabinteely etc.

    We have the highest disability claimees in Europe.

    Please explain to me how a country of our size is has 1st prize for this?????


  • #433
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,413 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    You believe those morons are capable or want to solve this crisis for some ? Loll

    The cost of building apartments is ridiculous, the “standards” they insist on , make it totally unaffordable for the masses. Dual aspect , ridiculous height limitations , the lift core ratio. People are living out of vans, on the streets, in kind, ridiculous commutes! It’s like telling someone on low to mid pay to go out and drive a Bentley. They are total morons. Total morons !

    So who do you think, if put in charge of the country, would solve the homeless crisis, the health crisis etc?

    Sinn Fein?
    AAA/PBP?
    Labour?

    Interested to hear your thoughts.


  • #434
    Fordcspri23
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 60 ✭✭Fordcspri23


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    We thought about protesting but decided instead to work hard, save & buy a house instead of waiting for the state to wipe our holes for us.

    No regrets.

    Did you not consider option C, bull your other half.


  • #435
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,808 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Hm.
    But that's the thing.
    No one ever provides stats as to the amount of proper "scroungers", unless they have and I've missed it amongst the billion scrounger posts on here

    Is it 0.1%
    1%
    2%
    0.5%
    0.25%

    If you are asking, how many people are on JSA / DA / OPF / CA by choice, and are choosing to avoid getting a job, I would estimate 100,000 people minimum.

    By this I mean people on DA who are not genuinely disabled, people on long-term JSA and not looking for work, etc.

    Obviously there are no stats on this.

    This is my opinion based on working close to social policy.


  • #436
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    I feel sorry for the people genuinely in need of help. Those in low paid/middle earning jobs with either crippling rent or who cant afford to buy

    The reality is these people will never be looked after by the government and it will be the people who have never worked with kids that are seen as the most vulnerable in our society and will be no 1 priority

    How do you break the entitlement cycle if you keep proving free 3 bed semis or luxurious apartments for these types. We have created a monster that is no longer sustainable


  • #437
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Story in the paper today - cue violins - "me and my kids will be on the streets by Christmas!"

    Turns out, landlord is selling upm she was given 6 months notice in April and has overstayed since.

    Yeah but "my boy asks why we can't put the tree up and i have to tell him we don't know where we will be living".

    I didn't read to the end but I imagine "how will Santy know where to bring my presents ?" is following along somewhere.

    No job, so no geographical limitations and 9 months to find a gaff anywhere in the State and can't ? Sure. Yeah. Right.


  • #438
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,783 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    I see the sociopaths are still active in the thread!


  • #439
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Story in the paper today - cue violins - "me and my kids will be on the streets by Christmas!"

    Turns out, landlord is selling upm she was given 6 months notice in April and has overstayed since.

    Yeah but "my boy asks why we can't put the tree up and i have to tell him we don't know where we will be living".

    I didn't read to the end but I imagine "how will Santy know where to bring my presents ?" is following along somewhere.

    No job, so no geographical limitations and 9 months to find a gaff anywhere in the State and can't ? Sure. Yeah. Right.


    Its sad in a way - but you cant just be handing people houses . And this is only going to get worse


  • #440
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The French take their protesting more seriously......

    Yeah nothing gets the average person on board with you more than smashing up their livelihood and burning their car


  • #441
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Its sad in a way - but you cant just be handing people houses . And this is only going to get worse

    I agree. She is getting HAP, there are houses.

    We don;t have a housing crisis, rather we have an "unrealistic expectations - beggars can't be choosers" crisis.


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  • #442
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Story in the paper today - cue violins - "me and my kids will be on the streets by Christmas!"

    Turns out, landlord is selling upm she was given 6 months notice in April and has overstayed since.

    Yeah but "my boy asks why we can't put the tree up and i have to tell him we don't know where we will be living".

    I didn't read to the end but I imagine "how will Santy know where to bring my presents ?" is following along somewhere.

    No job, so no geographical limitations and 9 months to find a gaff anywhere in the State and can't ? Sure. Yeah. Right.

    I listened to the interview where did it say she had no job? I am open to correction if it said in the paper she has no job.


  • #443
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I listened to the interview where did it say she had no job? I am open to correction if it said in the paper she has no job.

    Sure she has a job, yeah. :rolleyes:

    She's being repped by that Boyd-Barrett sort, he couldn't give two f***s for working folk so no chance she's employed.


  • #444
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Sure she has a job, yeah. :rolleyes:

    She's being repped by that Boyd-Barrett sort, he couldn't give two f***s for working folk so no chance she's employed.

    You stated in your reply that she did not have have a job I quired it, thats all.


  • #445
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I listened to the interview where did it say she had no job? I am open to correction if it said in the paper she has no job.

    Saying that she's working helps her case if she was working. So it's logical that no mention of working = she isn't working.

    She could be working on course but you'd imagine shed mention it.

    Erica Fleming for example was quite vocal about the fact that even though she was working she STILL ended up homeless inspite of doing the right things.

    If you are highlighting your housing case and actually work then saying your working can only ever help your case.

    And if you have to give up your job due to the housing issues and some have - saying that also helps your case


  • #446
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Seriously how can anyone provide stats on something like that.

    Yeah the cso keeps stats on proper scroungers!!

    We all know the score with this except for the leafy suburbs of foxrock cabinteely etc.

    We have the highest disability claimees in Europe.

    Please explain to me how a country of our size is has 1st prize for this?????
    Geuze wrote: »
    If you are asking, how many people are on JSA / DA / OPF / CA by choice, and are choosing to avoid getting a job, I would estimate 100,000 people minimum.

    By this I mean people on DA who are not genuinely disabled, people on long-term JSA and not looking for work, etc.

    Obviously there are no stats on this.

    This is my opinion based on working close to social policy.

    Yes, I am asking for stats from those that allude that there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of "scroungers"

    This is what annoys the fck out of me on these threads - plenty of opinion/feelings not based on tangible facts

    I would imagine the number of people on JSA over 15 months (ie longterm) at a minimum should be readily available?
    Also, stats on people jumping from one scheme to the next

    I know scroungers exist (in all walks of life) but I don't think anyone can intelligently use a "feeling" to put a figure on it


  • #447
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,677 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    none of the current options, all pathetic and spineless, incompetent! My main gripe with this crisis is, this laughable notion that it costs a fortune to fix, it doesnt and thats why I believe the current lot are totally complicit in wanting sky high prices. Mandate higher densities and the ridiculous build cost of apartments, the working masses cant afford them, so why not reduce built costs or perhaps even the insane amount of tax they cream off when you buy a new property?

    If you are going to give tens of thousands free housing, why should they cream off tens of thousands in levies and taxes, just so a worker can have a roof over their head? THIS BULL**** does not fly in london, berlin etc, they get compact living, you want to live centrally, on your own, on a low to mid income, there has to be a trade off, you cant have it all, dual aspect , ridiculous lift core ratio, OTT parking requirements, the place is a joke!

    The government need to start building universal public housing, people can forget ever owning it though and you pay a reasonable amount of your income 35% in my opinion, if that income is derived from welfare, then so be it!


  • #448
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Simple solution, tax the absolute bollox out of rents taken in by American vulture funds that have bought up the place. Ringfence that money towards building proper public housing of a reasonable density with proper amenities on public land. Rent this public housing out to people who actually work at a reasonable price


  • #449
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 14,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    The total lack of empathy and compassion on this thread is disgusting but sadly not at all surprising.

    May you never face an uncertain future in which you aren't sure if you will have a roof over your head and a place to call your own...


  • #450
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    If you are going to give tens of thousands free housing, why should they cream off tens of thousands in levies and taxes, just so a worker can have a roof over their head? THIS BULL**** does not fly in london, berlin etc, they get compact living, you want to live centrally, on your own, on a low to mid income, there has to be a trade off, you cant have it all, dual aspec

    Two cities that were bombed to hell allowing and requiring massive social housing construction. Possible due to payments from the war restitution. London has sold and is selling the former social housing as quickly as they can.

    Berlin has also got huge amounts of housing due to the communist state too. You need a time machine to create the situation they are in.


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  • #451
    Taylor365
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    The total lack of empathy and compassion on this thread is disgusting but sadly not at all surprising.

    May you never face an uncertain future in which you aren't sure if you will have a roof over your head and a place to call your own...
    The poor children... having scrotes for parents.


    It's not their fault! :(


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