So Patrick street is bus only from Thursday 9th August

smurgen · 17-11-2018 5:32pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

smurgen wrote: »

The main problem with transport in cork is the lack of public transport.i was in munich at the weekend and the public transport was fantastic and cost effective. What stuck me however was the fact that alot of the vehicles looked old but were clean.trams and busses that looked like they were from the 80's were about 50% of the fleet.how come in ireland everything looks shiny and new yet we only have a paltry number of routes and busses to service them? All the cork busses look top of the range with wifi etc but they never ever follow time tables,there's not enough routes and the gaps between busses is huge.
What happened the old busses that were replaced?

Capex vs opex! It's easy (ish) to get money for new stuff but not nearly as easy (and often understandably so) to get money to pay for that stuff to be used on an ongoing basis. How often do you hear of new (for example) hospital wards with no staff to operate them? Same issue.

It seems to me like a lazy way quick way to spend budget allocations. Go for the expensive top shelf model. If they could just get functional busses at a lower cost and more if them it would be better.

namloc1980 · 17-11-2018 7:00pm

smurgen wrote: »

It seems to me like a lazy way quick way to spend budget allocations. Go for the expensive top shelf model. If they could just get functional busses at a lower cost and more if them it would be better.

No doubt if Bus Eireann were using old buses, even in good condition, people would be moaning about the state of the buses as a reason not to use them.

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 17-11-2018 7:50pm

smurgen wrote: »

The main problem with transport in cork is the lack of public transport.i was in munich at the weekend and the public transport was fantastic and cost effective. What stuck me however was the fact that alot of the vehicles looked old but were clean.trams and busses that looked like they were from the 80's were about 50% of the fleet.how come in ireland everything looks shiny and new yet we only have a paltry number of routes and busses to service them? All the cork busses look top of the range with wifi etc but they never ever follow time tables,there's not enough routes and the gaps between busses is huge.
What happened the old busses that were replaced?

Yep. And if they don't drastically improve public transport ASAP, it will come back to bite them in the @ss when all the new developments are up and running. The city simply can't handle the extra cars, and reliable, frequent public transport is a serious need for the very near future.

_Kaiser_ · 17-11-2018 7:51pm

smurgen wrote: »

It seems to me like a lazy way quick way to spend budget allocations. Go for the expensive top shelf model. If they could just get functional busses at a lower cost and more if them it would be better.

namloc1980 wrote: »

No doubt if Bus Eireann were using old buses, even in good condition, people would be moaning about the state of the buses as a reason not to use them.

I'm imagining it's probably a similar policy to Dublin Bus where vehicles over 14 years old are sold off (to private operators who get many more miles out of them.. look at the number of early-00's ex-Dublin ALX400s/AVs that are still floating around).

The argument is that the newer ones are more fuel efficient, environmentally friendly (generally by being not as well built/lighter than their predecessors) and with new features like WiFi and USB charging ports (neither of which are essential IMO)

Dublin Bus for example are currently selling off their 2005 tri-axle buses despite them having had a relatively easier life than the AV's of that vintage, and the extra capacity they offer. These will be snapped up by the private operators here and in the UK.

smurgen · 18-11-2018 1:39am

namloc1980 wrote: »

No doubt if Bus Eireann were using old buses, even in good condition, people would be moaning about the state of the buses as a reason not to use them.

I strongly disagree,especially if there was more busses.

smurgen · 18-11-2018 1:42am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'm imagining it's probably a similar policy to Dublin Bus where vehicles over 14 years old are sold off (to private operators who get many more miles out of them.. look at the number of early-00's ex-Dublin ALX400s/AVs that are still floating around).

The argument is that the newer ones are more fuel efficient, environmentally friendly (generally by being not as well built/lighter than their predecessors) and with new features like WiFi and USB charging ports (neither of which are essential IMO)

Dublin Bus for example are currently selling off their 2005 tri-axle buses despite them having had a relatively easier life than the AV's of that vintage, and the extra capacity they offer. These will be snapped up by the private operators here and in the UK.

WiFi and usb is a waste on such short journeys. We should be purchasing much cheaper models at a much lower cost.who signs off on These budgets.it’s mad.

pwurple · 18-11-2018 7:55am

Assuming starting from scratch with a bus service , how would you design it? Maybe look at the heavy traffic areas, what are the most common journeys, and build a set of routes and times to allieviate the most pressure at those heavy traffic times...

Now, look at how it is actually designed. Routes and timetables designed to get drivers back to the central base for union agreed breaktimes in the bus station canteen.

namloc1980 · 18-11-2018 8:20am

pwurple wrote: »

Assuming starting from scratch with a bus service , how would you design it? Maybe look at the heavy traffic areas, what are the most common journeys, and build a set of routes and times to allieviate the most pressure at those heavy traffic times...

Now, look at how it is actually designed. Routes and timetables designed to get drivers back to the central base for union agreed breaktimes in the bus station canteen.

That's what BusConnects is supposed to do - redesign the system from the ground up. Unfortunately it's turned into a whingefest in Dublin from the NIMBYs and social media warriors. Undoubtedly it'll turn into the same moaning and whinging session when it comes to Cork.

richiepurgas · 18-11-2018 11:21am

pwurple wrote: »

Assuming starting from scratch with a bus service , how would you design it? Maybe look at the heavy traffic areas, what are the most common journeys, and build a set of routes and times to allieviate the most pressure at those heavy traffic times...

Now, look at how it is actually designed. Routes and timetables designed to get drivers back to the central base for union agreed breaktimes in the bus station canteen.

? Most of the city services don't go near the bus station in Parnell Place where, I presume, the canteen is.

TheChizler · 18-11-2018 11:48am

I'd imagine they mean Capwell

richiepurgas · 18-11-2018 11:51am

TheChizler wrote: »

I'd imagine they mean Capwell

There are just a handful of routes passing there and I've never seen a bus stop there to allow a driver go on a break.

smurgen · 18-11-2018 3:52pm

The bus system needs to be redesigned asap. There needs to be more routes and more busses.the average cost of running each bus would need to come down,therefore drivers pay would need to be reduced. I think at this stage it needs to be done for the health of the city.

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 18-11-2018 8:33pm

richiepurgas wrote: »

There are just a handful of routes passing there and I've never seen a bus stop there to allow a driver go on a break.

The 219,from CIT to Mahon, stops there every day around 1pm so the drivers can change. The passengers on the bus, myself included, just have to sit there while the drivers have a grand chat before deciding to get us to our destination, once again, late.

Magnatu · 18-11-2018 8:56pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Always see people chancing their arm by driving down the wrong way on one way streets to access OP Street. Completely ignorant carry on..

ofcork wrote: »

Ban starts at 3 I was there today still a few cars on pana and also a couple drove down oliver plunkett st too.

Barriers on Pembroke Street have been left down permanently for the last few weeks so volume of cars driving through pedestrians on Oliver Plunkett Street during day has increased. Taxis have also begun stopping outside dry cleaners again touting for business.
In my opinion it is ruining the street but assume policy makers have their reasons.

smurgen · 18-11-2018 9:36pm

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

richiepurgas wrote: »

There are just a handful of routes passing there and I've never seen a bus stop there to allow a driver go on a break.

The 219,from CIT to Mahon, stops there every day around 1pm so the drivers can change. The passengers on the bus, myself included, just have to sit there while the drivers have a grand chat before deciding to get us to our destination, once again, late.

I've seen this type of behaviour on several routes.

Mardyke · 18-11-2018 10:13pm

Why is it that Eoin English has a constant stream of "News" on this topic? It's a non story for most, bar a few whiners who won't pay their rates.

Peej is on Twitter today too giving the Fried Chicken guy more voice. He's whinging now because Cook St was closed for the lights being switched on tonight.

richiepurgas · 18-11-2018 10:21pm

Mardyke wrote: »

Why is it that Eoin English has a constant stream of "News" on this topic? It's a non story for most, bar a few whiners who won't pay their rates.

Peej is on Twitter today too giving the Fried Chicken guy more voice. He's whinging now because Cook St was closed for the lights being switched on tonight.

That guy's main problem is that his end of Cook street is almost deserted since Pennys bought up most of the buildings for their expansion which hasn't even started and the buildings lie idle.

Mardyke · 18-11-2018 11:12pm

richiepurgas wrote: »

That guy's main problem is that his end of Cook street is almost deserted since Pennys bought up most of the buildings for their expansion which hasn't even started and the buildings lie idle.

As far as I can see, there are a number of stores on that part of Cook St. (Framemaker, The Shack, shoe store, a cafe?)

I think the guy's main problem is similar to Susan Ryan.. a business that is just not doing well and probably mainly due to the owner being stuck in the past.

richiepurgas · 19-11-2018 2:39pm

Mardyke wrote: »

As far as I can see, there are a number of stores on that part of Cook St. (Framemaker, The Shack, shoe store, a cafe?)

I think the guy's main problem is similar to Susan Ryan.. a business that is just not doing well and probably mainly due to the owner being stuck in the past.

The shoe store is the only place open on that side of the street. The Framemaker is unlikely to create much footfall. Street is really deserted most of the day and this has been the way for quite a while.

Cork Boy 53 · 28-11-2018 3:28pm

Bad news for anyone in favour of the ban being lifted for the Christmas shopping season.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/no-reversal-of-st-patricks-street-car-ban-despite-calls-for-suspension-888266.html

Magnatu · 28-11-2018 11:48pm

Gardai refusing to release information as to whether any cars have been fined for ignoring the ban. Traffic jam of cars ignoring the ban last Sunday again.
Gardai ignoring the lawbreakers.

flexcon · 29-11-2018 8:30am

Magnatu wrote: »

Gardai refusing to release information as to whether any cars have been fined for ignoring the ban. Traffic jam of cars ignoring the ban last Sunday again.
Gardai ignoring the lawbreakers.

Can you direct us to the press conference or article that suggests the refused to release the info?

Magnatu · 29-11-2018 9:24am

flexcon wrote: »

Can you direct us to the press conference or article that suggests the refused to release the info?

Chief Superintendent Barry McPolin said motorists caught driving in the bus lanes during the 3pm-6.30pm ban on private cars are being dealt with by way of caution.

He was responding to questions from Senator Jerry Buttimer at a meeting of the Cork City Joint Policing Committee this week.

Mr Buttimer asked gardaí to comment on the policing issues which have arisen

Chief Supt McPolin said he does not have statistics for how many motorists have been fined for driving in the bus lanes

Mr Buttimer welcomed the comments: “It’s good to see that it’s not just a garda standing on the street with a notebook. It demonstrates that the city is open for business."

TheChizler · 29-11-2018 9:44am

Magnatu wrote: »

Chief Superintendent Barry McPolin said motorists caught driving in the bus lanes during the 3pm-6.30pm ban on private cars are being dealt with by way of caution.

He was responding to questions from Senator Jerry Buttimer at a meeting of the Cork City Joint Policing Committee this week.

Would you care to complete the sentence you cut short?

Magnatu · 29-11-2018 9:58am

TheChizler wrote: »

Would you care to complete the sentence you cut short?

Sure. They seem to be saying to that if the same guard sees the same car driving in the bus lane multiple times they could be fined. Theoretically

Chief Superintendent Barry McPolin said motorists caught driving in the bus lanes during the 3pm-6.30pm ban on private cars are being dealt with by way of caution in the first instance but he warned that persistent offenders will face fines

flexcon · 29-11-2018 2:07pm

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flexcon · 29-11-2018 2:11pm

flexcon wrote: »

Can you direct us to the press conference or article that suggests the refused to release the info?

Magnatu wrote: »

Gardai refusing to release information as to whether any cars have been fined for ignoring the ban.

By your own quote, this is ACTUALLY what was said

Chief Supt McPolin said he does not have statistics for how many motorists have been fined for driving in the bus lanes

So in your eyes if someone doesn't have the data to back something up, they are guilty as charged that they are refusing. So to not have means to refuse. Could you clarify this?

Magnatu wrote: »

Traffic jam of cars ignoring the ban last Sunday again.
Gardai ignoring the lawbreakers.

By your own quote this is ACTUALLY what was said

Chief Superintendent Barry McPolin said motorists caught driving in the bus lanes during the 3pm-6.30pm ban on private cars are being dealt with by way of caution.

Again, very interesting interpretation by you. The superintendent says they are dealt with, but you came out of that with the opinion that they are been ignored?

Some weird interpretation you have. Maybe it's me, maybe it's just the way you use language to describe opinions as facts. Very strange though.

Black_Knight · 29-11-2018 2:43pm

Sure if they had the numbers, would we even trust them. :rolleyes:

Magnatu · 29-11-2018 3:13pm

flexcon wrote: »

Chief Superintendent Barry McPolin said motorists caught driving in the bus lanes during the 3pm-6.30pm ban on private cars are being dealt with.

Again, very interesting interpretation by you. The superintendent says they are dealt with, but you came out of that with the opinion that they are been ignored?

Some weird interpretation you have.

Take a look at the photo attached of Patrick Street during the ban. In your honest opinion are the lines of cars driving through Patrick Street being ignored or "dealt with"

Magnatu · 29-11-2018 3:15pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Sure if they had the numbers, would we even trust them. :rolleyes:

Point is the gardai are refusing to provide the numbers. Do you not wonder why?

flexcon · 29-11-2018 3:49pm

Magnatu wrote: »

Take a look at the photo attached of Patrick Street during the ban. In your honest opinion are the lines of cars driving through Patrick Street being ignored or "dealt with"

You should then be saying " At times the Gardai are not present on the street"

End of. Then there is no one that can argue back at that. It's a factual statement.

however you have pursued to taint as if the Gardai are NEVER there and the whole thing is a FAILURE and no is being DEALT with.

What would you then say if I posted a photo from a few days ago showing no cars. Are the Gardai then enforcing or is it a case that people are not driving down anyway.Which is it?

flexcon · 29-11-2018 3:50pm

Magnatu wrote: »

Point is the gardai are refusing to provide the numbers. Do you not wonder why?

you are making this up. Nowhere is this shown.

They said they don't have the numbers.

again please answer...

So in your eyes if someone doesn't have the data to back something up, they are guilty as charged that they are refusing. So to not have means to refuse. Could you clarify this?

j8wk2feszrnpao · 29-11-2018 4:55pm

flexcon wrote: »

you are making this up.

flexcon, that’s all he does, he just makes it up.
Adding him to the ignore list was one of the best things I did, I suggest you try it out. You’re not going to get a factual based discussion with him.

namloc1980 · 30-11-2018 5:42pm

Gardaí are giving out tickets by the bucket load on Pana at the moment.

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 30-11-2018 5:46pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Gardaí are giving out tickets by the bucket load on Pana at the moment.

To private cars or everyone bar taxi and bus?

namloc1980 · 30-11-2018 5:50pm

Cars and vans in the bus lane. Also to cars parked on the street.

Cork Boy 53 · 30-11-2018 5:51pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Gardaí are giving out tickets by the bucket load on Pana at the moment.

Some photo evidence would be helpful as the anti car ban brigade will, no doubt, claim you are making things up.

namloc1980 · 30-11-2018 5:54pm

Yeah I know. Some lad who was getting a ticket started recording the Garda on his phone and giving him grief and it was getting a bit tense so thought best not to take a picture.

Magnatu · 30-11-2018 6:51pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Gardaí are giving out tickets by the bucket load on Pana at the moment.

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Some photo evidence would be helpful as the anti car ban brigade will, no doubt, claim you are making things up.

If what you are saying is true it would be wonderful news. Gardai we're becoming increasingly uncomfortable with having to justify their inaction.

namloc1980 · 30-11-2018 6:59pm

Magnatu wrote: »

If what you are saying is true it would be wonderful news. Gardai we're becoming increasingly uncomfortable with having to justify their inaction.

It is true. I have no reason to lie.....

j8wk2feszrnpao · 30-11-2018 7:18pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Some photo evidence would be helpful as the anti car ban brigade will, no doubt, claim you are making things up.

You’re the only one making the request.....
Photographic evidence is useful for anyone, whatever side they are on.

Mardyke · 30-11-2018 9:05pm

That's good to hear.
There's a few ignorant dickheads feeling a bit hard done by now I'd say. God love them.
Would be great if John Grace was one of them.

Easy money if the council threw some resources at dishing out parking violation tickets. One loop around town any Saturday and you'd find dozens.

There is a car parked on the footpath every single time I pass Cafe Velo. They could take him every day.

flexcon · 02-12-2018 1:55am

slightly off topic but just witnessed an argument on Pana a few moments ago over the junction layout.

Cars were two aside outside the tourist office facing Patricks hill. The lights went green to turn left first, but the first guy in the left lane didn't budge until the lights went full and then proceeded to drive in harmony with the right lane both over the bridge together. At the time I thought your man was some eject ignoring the blaring horns but I then circled back and seen that in fact there isn't even two lans.

It's just one. There are no road markings at all. Some Taxi man mentioned to myself that in fact the "left" lane can go left or straight and the "right" lane can go straight or right and they just have to wait if someone wants to go straight on in the left lane.

What do people think? Logically speaking the Taxi man combined with the lack of road markings suggests there could be some reason to think that is the correct one.

whisky_galore · 02-12-2018 10:26am

Mardyke wrote: »

That's good to hear.
There's a few ignorant dickheads feeling a bit hard done by now I'd say. God love them.
Would be great if John Grace was one of them.

Easy money if the council threw some resources at dishing out parking violation tickets. One loop around town any Saturday and you'd find dozens.

There is a car parked on the footpath every single time I pass Cafe Velo. They could take him every day.

No it wouldn't. The money brought in by tickets would be easily eaten up by the extra resources thrown at it.

the beer revolu · 02-12-2018 10:49am

flexcon wrote: »

slightly off topic but just witnessed an argument on Pana a few moments ago over the junction layout.

Cars were two aside outside the tourist office facing Patricks hill. The lights went green to turn left first, but the first guy in the left lane didn't budge until the lights went full and then proceeded to drive in harmony with the right lane both over the bridge together. At the time I thought your man was some eject ignoring the blaring horns but I then circled back and seen that in fact there isn't even two lans.

It's just one. There are no road markings at all. Some Taxi man mentioned to myself that in fact the "left" lane can go left or straight and the "right" lane can go straight or right and they just have to wait if someone wants to go straight on in the left lane.

What do people think? Logically speaking the Taxi man combined with the lack of road markings suggests there could be some reason to think that is the correct one.

Afaik, taxi man is right. I remember the lanes being marked as such.

On topic : was it in the bus lane only hours and were they private vehicles leaving St. Patrick's Street?

ofcork · 02-12-2018 1:07pm

Ive been there waiting to turn left but car in front wants to go straight on imo left lane should be left only,yesterday cars were coming up castle st and some going straight on up paul st during ban time!

Cork Boy 53 · 02-12-2018 1:22pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

On topic : was it in the bus lane only hours and were they private vehicles leaving St. Patrick's Street?

Post time of the post you were replying to; Today, 01:55 and he/she stated that the incident had happened a few minutes before he/she posted. So obviously well after the car ban hours.

flexcon · 02-12-2018 2:52pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Afaik, taxi man is right. I remember the lanes being marked as such.

On topic : was it in the bus lane only hours and were they private vehicles leaving St. Patrick's Street?

it was early this morning at about 1am.

I posted it here since i naturally assumed it was a left turning lane but after going back and checking it wasn’t so clear.

Taxi man saw what i was thinking and just started chatting to me (he heard and saw the altercation) and said happens all the time and a guard said you can go straight on and left but that he wasn’t 100% sure.

the beer revolu · 03-12-2018 10:58am

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Post time of the post you were replying to; Today, 01:55 and he/she stated that the incident had happened a few minutes before he/she posted. So obviously well after the car ban hours.

Well done, Miss Marple!

You so clever, me so stoopid.

D'Agger · 03-12-2018 3:20pm

flexcon wrote: »

slightly off topic but just witnessed an argument on Pana a few moments ago over the junction layout.

Cars were two aside outside the tourist office facing Patricks hill. The lights went green to turn left first, but the first guy in the left lane didn't budge until the lights went full and then proceeded to drive in harmony with the right lane both over the bridge together. At the time I thought your man was some eject ignoring the blaring horns but I then circled back and seen that in fact there isn't even two lans.

It's just one. There are no road markings at all. Some Taxi man mentioned to myself that in fact the "left" lane can go left or straight and the "right" lane can go straight or right and they just have to wait if someone wants to go straight on in the left lane.

What do people think? Logically speaking the Taxi man combined with the lack of road markings suggests there could be some reason to think that is the correct one.

The road you're talking about used to be marked as such - you can go straight from both lanes - I say this as somebody who has had to beep to avoid the car on the right scraping the shít out of my car going on to this - a LOT of people don't seem to know that you can go straight from the two lanes here.

There are similar lanes on Patrick St. funnily enough a straight line back from the junction you're talking about - same story, you can go left or straight from that lane, and the same at the opera house, you can go left or right from the left lane facing the opera house to go towards Paul St.

So Patrick street is bus only from Thursday 9th August

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