Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

everlast75 · 26-11-2018 05:01PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Pelosi and the incoming Democrat House majority is one of Trump's targets here also. He needs to characterise the new House as being 'Enemies of the People' with a gang of lawless Democrats wanting to allow open borders and let all kinds of rabid criminals into the US. He will try to engineer Democrats being portrayed as aiders and abetters of the 'lawlessness' while he and his Presidency are portrayed the only hope for the safety of the American People. This narrative was key to his mid-terms strategy while others were saying he should have focused on the economy. However, he stuck to the immigration issue, purely to further his "SuperHero President T" self - aggrandizement for the 2020 campaign.

Pelosi's job is a whole harder than it might seem.

The majority of America saw right through his BS at the midterms, hence the Reps' pounding in the House.

Only his myopic supporters voted for him, despite the Army move clearly being a stunt.

He could have pushed the message that the economy was doing well, claim credit for it (while ignoring the massive deficit) but Trump knows best of course, and pedalled his racist BS and look what happened.

If he keeps that up, his party will know all about it come 2020.

nicedryturf · 26-11-2018 05:23PM

There have been a few rumblings recently about the possibility of Trump dumping Pence as his VP for 2020. I'm not sure how likely this is but I can certainly see the logic: if adulterous encounters with pornstars can't turn off the evangelicals in his base, it's unlikely they'll be too upset if Pence gets the old heave-ho. Again not sure how likely it would be, but seeing Pence getting turfed overboard would be positively delicious.

Stallingrad · 26-11-2018 05:40PM

nicedryturf wrote: »

but seeing Pence getting turfed overboard would be positively delicious.

It sure would.

Apparently The Donald does not trust him, and that is usually the beginning of the end. And why would he trust him? Them man has parked every ounce of moral fibre (and he has lots to park) to get a shot at the big time. With an election on the horizon and a shrinking base expect the next VP to be a part black, part hispanic, gay transgender woman.

prawnsambo · 26-11-2018 07:55PM

nicedryturf wrote: »

There have been a few rumblings recently about the possibility of Trump dumping Pence as his VP for 2020. I'm not sure how likely this is but I can certainly see the logic: if adulterous encounters with pornstars can't turn off the evangelicals in his base, it's unlikely they'll be too upset if Pence gets the old heave-ho. Again not sure how likely it would be, but seeing Pence getting turfed overboard would be positively delicious.

Not sure the evangelicals would be too keen on that. There's a view that they only support Trump because he's the sinner that makes way for the good guy (as they see it); Pence.

Igotadose · 26-11-2018 08:15PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Not sure the evangelicals would be too keen on that. There's a view that they only support Trump because he's the sinner that makes way for the good guy (as they see it); Pence.

White evangelicals support Trump because of he engenders fear. They've got no traditional moral compass anymore - family, society, doing good, no. Fear of immigrants, other religions, yes.

There was a really good breakdown of this recently in Slate (more White evangelicals supported Trump than Romney, for example.) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/trumps-christian-apologists-are-unchristian.html
Slate's article analyses research done by leading white Evangelicals into what matters to other evangelicals. Dominantly, it's immigration, and a big downplay of minority issues (gun violence, police shootings, etc.)

Eric Cartman · 26-11-2018 08:21PM

nicedryturf wrote: »

There have been a few rumblings recently about the possibility of Trump dumping Pence as his VP for 2020. I'm not sure how likely this is but I can certainly see the logic: if adulterous encounters with pornstars can't turn off the evangelicals in his base, it's unlikely they'll be too upset if Pence gets the old heave-ho. Again not sure how likely it would be, but seeing Pence getting turfed overboard would be positively delicious.

the real question is, who would replace him. Nobody really seems to even notice pence.

love the signature by the way, pro-tip, its too big , the sigpo will come get you. :pac:

spacecoyote · 26-11-2018 08:27PM

Word is Corsi is going to refuse the plea deal from Mueller. Will be interesting to see how it plays out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJAL8ZACLno

Itssoeasy · 26-11-2018 08:31PM

The evangelicals voting for trump even though he would fail all of the supposed morality tests they claim to live by. It's all about the Supreme Court.

TomOnBoard · 26-11-2018 08:33PM

spacecoyote wrote: »

Word is Corsi is going to refuse the plea deal from Mueller. Will be interesting to see how it plays out

Other than stuff put out by Corsi himself, has anyone else reported that a plea deal was ever being offered? I wouldn't be surprised if Corsi himself is simply self- promoting here..

Eric Cartman · 26-11-2018 09:13PM

jooksavage wrote: »

The idea of Stone doing a perp walk makes me positively giddy. In a world full of bad actors, Stone stands apart as a candidate for the worst living human. Some of the stuff he's put up on social media would make a jaded veteran of 4chan blush - it's jarring to think this guy has been around since Nixon!

The Mueller investigation is the stuff of allegories: Trump and his cronies all thought the office of President gave them unlimited power but it would it would lead to their ultimate destruction.

Such as ? don't have twitter so don't follow him, would love to know. All I've seen of him is as a very effective PR campaigner.

batgoat · 26-11-2018 09:25PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Such as ? don't have twitter so don't follow him, would love to know. All I've seen of him is as a very effective PR campaigner.

A large amount of the crap he posts is retweets of conspiracies. Eg this one on the Magabomber.

https://twitter.com/TWPundit/status/1056432813896093696

Or this one on Robert DeNiro where the headline claims he's a sex trafficker.
https://twitter.com/TWPundit/status/1051932960486768640

You can just scroll through his timeline and find that it's filled with the most outlandishly untrue stories. I don't really want to do a complete dump of the content but the above is a pretty fair representation of the content he's pushing.

26-11-2018 09:32PM

Trumps government tv network
I saw this and immediately thought it was a pisstake. There's no way he could set up a government propaganda channel. But in Trump world, who knows anymore.

everlast75 · 26-11-2018 09:33PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trumps government tv network
I saw this and immediately thought it was a pisstake. There's no way he could set up a government propaganda channel. But in Trump world, who knows anymore.

Link doesn't work but I'm guessing it references Shine being on the payroll for the WH and Fox "news"?

everlast75 · 26-11-2018 09:34PM

A defining characteristic of the Trump admin is not just the abhorent policies, but the revelling in the cruelty.

He certainly brings out the worst in people

https://twitter.com/TomiLahren/status/1066933177745268741?s=19

26-11-2018 09:53PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Link doesn't work but I'm guessing it references Shine being on the payroll for the WH and Fox "news"?

Sorry about that, it's an article on thehill.com about Trump wanting to set up a government tv channel to spread his own news.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/418284-trump-suggests-government-start-its-own-worldwide-television-network

TomOnBoard · 26-11-2018 10:15PM

everlast75 wrote: »

A defining characteristic of the Trump admin is not just the abhorent policies, but the revelling in the cruelty.

He certainly brings out the worst in people

https://twitter.com/TomiLahren/status/1066933177745268741?s=19

Well, Alysso Milano's response is simply hysterical and brings nothing of value to the table. She's beginning to act like Alex Jones...

The first poster stated the legal obvious, albeit in less than humble or sensitive terms.

There is a massive humanitarian crisis building up at the Border and Trump's presidency will milk it to achieve his political ends. It will take cool heads on those who hold opposing views to navigate the situation in a manner that doesn't play into Trump's hands. Alyssa Milano spitting invective is absolutely noooo help in that journey..

Eric Cartman · 26-11-2018 10:20PM

everlast75 wrote: »

A defining characteristic of the Trump admin is not just the abhorent policies, but the revelling in the cruelty.

He certainly brings out the worst in people

https://twitter.com/TomiLahren/status/1066933177745268741?s=19

to be fair, how that migrant caravan thought this wasn't going to happen is beyond me, illegally crossing a border thats being politically secured by the most anti-illegal immigrant president the US has ever had was never going to end well.

Pelvis · 26-11-2018 10:25PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

to be fair, how that migrant caravan thought this wasn't going to happen is beyond me, illegally crossing a border thats being politically secured by the most anti-illegal immigrant president the US has ever had was never going to end well.

When you remove the only legal way to enter the country what exactly do you think people are going to do, just turn around and go back to the place they're seeking refuge from? Or perhaps go with the illegal option?

Professor Moriarty · 26-11-2018 10:28PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

to be fair, how that migrant caravan thought this wasn't going to happen is beyond me, illegally crossing a border thats being politically secured by the most anti-illegal immigrant president the US has ever had was never going to end well.

Yes, those evil children should have known better. Tear-gassing was too good for them.

Rhineshark · 26-11-2018 10:31PM

Jerome Corsi rejected a plea deal for one count of perjury and looks to be about to be indicted along with Stone (finally).

TomOnBoard · 26-11-2018 10:32PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

to be fair, how that migrant caravan thought this wasn't going to happen is beyond me, illegally crossing a border thats being politically secured by the most anti-illegal immigrant president the US has ever had was never going to end well.

The migrants are being used as fodder to exacerbate the tensions. I do not believe that attempt yesterday happened randomly. You will find manipulators behind them pushing them on. This is the same tactic used in gaza. The ppl who try to breach the Border have absolutely nooooo chance of achieving anything out of this, except a one way bus journey back to their home. Meanwhile the manipulators move on to organising their next event for the cameras...

everlast75 · 26-11-2018 10:48PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

The migrants are being used as fodder to exacerbate the tensions. I do not believe that attempt yesterday happened randomly. You will find manipulators behind them pushing them on. This is the same tactic used in gaza. The ppl who try to breach the Border have absolutely nooooo chance of achieving anything out of this, except a one way bus journey back to their home. Meanwhile the manipulators move on to organising their next event for the cameras...

If you're gonna say Soros is behind it, you'll be on my ignore list

And if i didn't know you better, I'd say there's a bit of false equivalency going on, between those walking over 2000 miles for a better life, to try and enter legally on the one hand...

And on the other the Admin closing the lawful port, in contravention of commitments given previously in terms of asylum and the officials going to town on them, breaking human rights norms.

Here's the question. Surely these "caravans" have arrived before. What happened those times? Genuinely curious.

Eric Cartman · 26-11-2018 10:52PM

Pelvis wrote: »

When you remove the only legal way to enter the country what exactly do you think people are going to do, just turn around and go back to the place they're seeking refuge from? Or perhaps go with the illegal option?

Or how about they just stay out of the US. If they want 'refuge' why not pick any other country in central or southern America, why is the US their only option ?
Just existing does not give you a definite path to legal immigration, at this point the border is closed for more legal entry, as the US are entitled to do.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yes, those evil children should have known better. Tear-gassing was too good for them.

certain sections of the media are scrambling for pictures of only adult men, others scrambling for only women and children. The reality is a small enough percentage of that group is children, I don't think anyone is actually intentionally teargassing a child and then its the parents responsibility for bringing their children into those tension points with police.

Professor Moriarty · 26-11-2018 10:56PM

In other news, The Donald has commented on a very sobering report on climate change which was produced by his own administration. He said "I don't believe it".

TomOnBoard · 26-11-2018 11:03PM

everlast75 wrote: »

If you're gonna say Soros is behind it, you'll be on my ignore list

And if i didn't know you better, I'd say there's a bit of false equivalency going on, between those walking over 2000 miles for a better life, to try and enter legally on the one hand...

And on the other the Admin closing the lawful port, in contravention of commitments given previously in terms of asylum and the officials going to town on them, breaking human rights norms.

Here's the question. Surely these "caravans" have arrived before. What happened those times? Genuinely curious.

Dunno who is behind what! I seriously doubt that yesterday's manipulations were organised by Soros-assisted loopers. It is far more likely that rushing the Border was fostered by loopers on the other side, as it would better feed into the Trump-inspired narrative.

While I have no idea what the false equivalency comment is referring to, I reckon your question about how previous 'caravans' were dealt with is hugely important and merits clear and honest examination. However, I don't know how we're going to get that at this time.

Eric Cartman · 26-11-2018 11:05PM

everlast75 wrote: »

If you're gonna say Soros is behind it, you'll be on my ignore list

And if i didn't know you better, I'd say there's a bit of false equivalency going on, between those walking over 2000 miles for a better life, to try and enter legally on the one hand...

And on the other the Admin closing the lawful port, in contravention of commitments given previously in terms of asylum and the officials going to town on them, breaking human rights norms.

Here's the question. Surely these "caravans" have arrived before. What happened those times? Genuinely curious.

They were allowed in, which is one of the problems Donny T was elected to stop.

Pelvis · 26-11-2018 11:08PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Or how about they just stay out of the US. If they want 'refuge' why not pick any other country in central or southern America, why is the US their only option ?
Just existing does not give you a definite path to legal immigration, at this point the border is closed for more legal entry, as the US are entitled to do.

Just existing does not give you a right to live in the US. But you do have a legal right to apply for asylum, and the US are obliged to grant asylum for valid applications. Why they are choosing America is utterly irrelevant.

Professor Moriarty · 26-11-2018 11:10PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Or how about they just stay out of the US. If they want 'refuge' why not pick any other country in central or southern America, why is the US their only option ?
Just existing does not give you a definite path to legal immigration, at this point the border is closed for more legal entry, as the US are entitled to do.

certain sections of the media are scrambling for pictures of only adult men, others scrambling for only women and children. The reality is a small enough percentage of that group is children, I don't think anyone is actually intentionally teargassing a child and then its the parents responsibility for bringing their children into those tension points with police.

Children were tear-gassed but the people doing the tear-gassing are blameless. Okay.

Eric Cartman · 26-11-2018 11:12PM

Pelvis wrote: »

Just existing does not give you a right to live in the US. But you do have a legal right to apply for asylum, and the US are obliged to grant asylum for valid applications. Why they are choosing America is utterly irrelevant.

Its the most relevant fact, they have walked through multiple other countries, countries they share more with culturally and in some cases languages, yet they want to go to the country that voted for the man that told them they're not welcome, through the border with tear gas etc...

They are looking for all the benefits and welfare the US has to offer, that which they are not entitled to and Donald Trump was elected to curtail. Just pick a different destination.

everlast75 · 26-11-2018 11:14PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Or how about they just stay out of the US. If they want 'refuge' why not pick any other country in central or southern America, why is the US their only option ?
Just existing does not give you a definite path to legal immigration, at this point the border is closed for more legal entry, as the US are entitled to do.

certain sections of the media are scrambling for pictures of only adult men, others scrambling for only women and children. The reality is a small enough percentage of that group is children, I don't think anyone is actually intentionally teargassing a child and then its the parents responsibility for bringing their children into those tension points with police.

Oh ffs.

Would you do me a favour and just once put yourself in the shoes of someone less fortunate and imagine how you would like to be treated.

You're very lucky to be borne where you are. Never lose sight of that fact. It can be quite a useful exercise when you spend your time strutting around on a high horse.

I'm sure the RUC didn't plan on killing people with rubber bullets up north but that's what happened.

If an admin can't use something safely on the public then they shouldn't use it. Period.

Imagine trapsing 2000 miles LEGALLY to apply for asylum and then meeting someone at the border with the same attitude that you have now and for that door to close.

They have left everything at home for the risk of a better life. Their numbers are microscopic compared to the population of the US and despite what the dear leader says, the system has been working perfectly fine.

If 5000 people marched twice a year into the US, it would take 525 years before they made up 1% of the population.

But no, while they are acting legally, its the government who have done no wrong despite carrying out human rights abuse.

Its all a dog whistle to racists and xenophobes. Same as the refusal to denounce Charlottesville torch bearers, the accusation that all mexicans are rapists and drug dealers, the building of the wall, detaining kids and taking no steps to find them once lost in the system, oh and of course the muslim ban.

Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

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