Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

batgoat · 25-11-2018 11:24PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

This is what I'm talking about, echo chamber stuff, for once the chap wasn't wrong and instead of refuting that, you go for the low hanging fruit and change the topic to something you know I don't care about wrongdoing on, release them/ don't release them, I'm sure theres something in there he doesn't want the world to see, not that I think it matters at all.

I think he means you have to be Einstein to maintain it, which while thats a bit out there, they are significantly harder to maintain than a steam system. Not a good thing when you need to launch planes right then and there.

but yet again here we have
I made a comment, a user intentionally made a reply based on something I didn't say, you haven't read or wilfully ignored the posts where I clarified thats not what I said , and then chose to just go and re-iterate the twisted false version of what I didn't say, I'm sure one or two more people will do that and the next time I chime in, everyone remembering or reading back thinks I called trump a military equipment specialist, which I didn't , and everyone who can read will see I didn't originally and when I clarified it again.

Oh Cartman, it expects a level of knowledge on a very specific topic. He didn't express such knowledge in language, you're guessing that's what he meant and concluding he researched. It's like concluding that his remarks on the forest fires related to some knowledge. They didn't and it's trying to reimagine the president as far more intelligent than he actually is.

TomOnBoard · 25-11-2018 11:34PM

There's a lot of baiting and bullying going on here at the moment IMO. There's a Lord of the Flies moment, and for now, on this particular subject of the catapults, Cartman is Piggy.

Any chance we could move on to discussion of something more substantive, such as the humanitarian crisis developing just South of the Border in Tijuana.

Christy42 · 25-11-2018 11:38PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

relax carry on wrote: »

Eric while you are in the responding mood can I get your thoughts on just this one example of his (depending on your viewpoint) mental instability/mental deficiencies/utter incoherence/insanity/ramblings/etc. Does the below text strike you as odd in anyway? Does it give off the air of a leader, an innovator, even a fully functional human being? Does it belong to a President of the United States? If you do reply can you just comment on this singular example relating to Trump without bringing any of his or anyone elses actions into it.

This is what I'm talking about, echo chamber stuff, for once the chap wasn't wrong and instead of refuting that, you go for the low hanging fruit and change the topic to something you know I don't care about wrongdoing on, release them/ don't release them, I'm sure theres something in there he doesn't want the world to see, not that I think it matters at all.

Leroy42 wrote: »

So is Trump actually correct that you need Albert Einstein to operate it? Or is that bit just to be ignored?

And this from the man you claimed that one of the newer US jets were invisable.

So, we have a man with no military background, that all reports (and tellingly non in disagreement) that doesn't read and needs notes kept as short as possible.

But Eric you think this comment is based on some deep knowledge of the subject and with the operational effectiveness of the military at its core?

I think he means you have to be Einstein to maintain it, which while thats a bit out there, they are significantly harder to maintain than a steam system. Not a good thing when you need to launch planes right then and there.

but yet again here we have
I made a comment, a user intentionally made a reply based on something I didn't say, you haven't read or wilfully ignored the posts where I clarified thats not what I said , and then chose to just go and re-iterate the twisted false version of what I didn't say, I'm sure one or two more people will do that and the next time I chime in, everyone remembering or reading back thinks I called trump a military equipment specialist, which I didn't , and everyone who can read will see I didn't originally and when I clarified it again.

"For once the chap wasn't wrong". This seems to be the crux of the issue here. Man gets something right once tends not to be notable as a positive. It is largely pathetic.

Captain Obvious · 25-11-2018 11:52PM

Did Trump actually reference a specific issue with electomagnetic or is this just another case of him saying something vague and a more specific issue being added by supporters.

batgoat · 25-11-2018 11:55PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Did Trump actually reference a specific issue with electomagnetic or is this just another case of him saying something vague and a more specific issue being added by supporters.

The latter...

Rhineshark · 25-11-2018 11:56PM

If I had been asked to show an understanding of steam vs electromagnetic launching devices in 5th class (for some reason), I would still not have passed on "Steam is very reliable, and the electromagnetic — I mean, unfortunately, you have to be Albert Einstein to really work it properly. What would you do?”

Managing to hit on a general concept he can be contrary with is not exactly Einsteinian thinking. Show me a sign he had any grasp of what he was talking about and I will be impressed. But he does not have a track record for scientific acumen.

It aside, tear gas was launched into Mexico, being used on a group of migrants that rushed the border as/ causing it to be closed. Along with helicopters being sent over Mexican soil. While there are trolls hunting for all-male pictures and using the word invasion a lot there are women and children amongst them (this group are mostly male). While I don't know the ins and outs of embassies, American asylum policy is that it has to be requested from American soil. So how will Trump's policies work? Tear gas the first time his preparations meet any migrants isn't promising.

"Invasion" is ironic given launching attacks into and sending helicopters over another country fits the definition far better.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/migrants-tear-gassed-as-they-march-towards-us-border-in-bid-for-asylum-37564233.html

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TomOnBoard · 26-11-2018 12:12AM

batgoat wrote: »

The latter...

Untrue!

Here's an extract from the official transcript of the call in which the catapults issue arose:

"From the U.S. Navy, we have the Commanding Officer, Captain Pat Hannifin. And, Pat, are you on the phone?

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: Yes, sir. I’m with you. And from the over 4,800 sailors and airmen aboard USS Ronald Reagan, the nation’s only permanently forward-deployed aircraft carrier.

We are currently in Victoria Harbour, Hong Kong, about 13 hours ahead of you. It’s still Thanksgiving here. And from all the sailors aboard Reagan, serving peace through strength for America in the Indo-Pacific, we wish you a Happy Thanksgiving.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, that’s great, Pat. I appreciate it very much. And say hello to everybody, and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

So, the condition of the ship is A1?

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: Alpha-1, sir. Absolutely.

THE PRESIDENT: Okay, good. Very important. So, you know, we have another big one. The Gerald Ford is going to be joining you pretty soon. How does this compare in size and scope with the Gerald Ford? You know all about that. That’s the new one, right?

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: Yes, sir. Size and scope. A good friend of mine just left command to that. But size and scope about the same. Certainly some improvements there to the plants and few of the — and the radars and even the catapults and gear are slightly different as well.

THE PRESIDENT: So tell — hey, Pat —

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: But we’ll push (inaudible) daily.

THE PRESIDENT: Yeah. Pat, tell me about the catapult system. So on the Gerald Ford they don’t use steam, which is the first one that I’ve ever heard of that doesn’t use steam. And I know they have some difficulties, which I’m not happy about. And they spent a lot of money. And I was just curious.

The steam system is tried and true for many, many years, as long as we’ve had aircraft carriers. How do you find steam versus what they’re doing on the Gerald Ford, which is electronic and digital, if you can believe it?

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: Yes, sir. All of our Nimitz supercarriers have been using steam for decades, and we find it pretty reliable. However, the electromagnetic catapults they’re running there offer some great benefits to — obviously, like any new piece, you got to work through the bugs. But they offer some benefits not only to stress and strain on the aircraft; to extend service life and other pieces. I have no doubt we’ll work through that just as we work through all of our other advancements and continue to bring it to the enemy when called to do so.

THE PRESIDENT: So, when you do the new carriers, as we do and as we’re thinking about doing, would you go with steam or would you go with electromagnetic? Because steam is very reliable, and the electromagnetic — I mean, unfortunately you have to be Albert Einstein to really work it properly. What would you do?

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: Yes, sir. You sort of have to be Albert Einstein to run the nuclear power plants that we have here as well, but we’re doing that very well. I would go, sir — Mr. President, I would go electromagnetic cast. I think that’s the way to go. We do pay a heavy cost for transiting the steam around the ship.

THE PRESIDENT: Good. Okay. I like to hear that. I’m actually happy about that answer, because at least, you know, they’re doing what they’re doing. But that’s actually a very good answer. "

Eric Cartman · 26-11-2018 12:24AM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Untrue!

Here's an extract from the official transcript of the call in which the catapults issue arose:

"From the U.S. Navy, we have the Commanding Officer, Captain Pat Hannifin. And, Pat, are you on the phone?

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: Yes, sir. I’m with you. And from the over 4,800 sailors and airmen aboard USS Ronald Reagan, the nation’s only permanently forward-deployed aircraft carrier.

We are currently in Victoria Harbour, Hong Kong, about 13 hours ahead of you. It’s still Thanksgiving here. And from all the sailors aboard Reagan, serving peace through strength for America in the Indo-Pacific, we wish you a Happy Thanksgiving.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, that’s great, Pat. I appreciate it very much. And say hello to everybody, and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

So, the condition of the ship is A1?

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: Alpha-1, sir. Absolutely.

THE PRESIDENT: Okay, good. Very important. So, you know, we have another big one. The Gerald Ford is going to be joining you pretty soon. How does this compare in size and scope with the Gerald Ford? You know all about that. That’s the new one, right?

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: Yes, sir. Size and scope. A good friend of mine just left command to that. But size and scope about the same. Certainly some improvements there to the plants and few of the — and the radars and even the catapults and gear are slightly different as well.

THE PRESIDENT: So tell — hey, Pat —

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: But we’ll push (inaudible) daily.

THE PRESIDENT: Yeah. Pat, tell me about the catapult system. So on the Gerald Ford they don’t use steam, which is the first one that I’ve ever heard of that doesn’t use steam. And I know they have some difficulties, which I’m not happy about. And they spent a lot of money. And I was just curious.

The steam system is tried and true for many, many years, as long as we’ve had aircraft carriers. How do you find steam versus what they’re doing on the Gerald Ford, which is electronic and digital, if you can believe it?

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: Yes, sir. All of our Nimitz supercarriers have been using steam for decades, and we find it pretty reliable. However, the electromagnetic catapults they’re running there offer some great benefits to — obviously, like any new piece, you got to work through the bugs. But they offer some benefits not only to stress and strain on the aircraft; to extend service life and other pieces. I have no doubt we’ll work through that just as we work through all of our other advancements and continue to bring it to the enemy when called to do so.

THE PRESIDENT: So, when you do the new carriers, as we do and as we’re thinking about doing, would you go with steam or would you go with electromagnetic? Because steam is very reliable, and the electromagnetic — I mean, unfortunately you have to be Albert Einstein to really work it properly. What would you do?

CAPTAIN HANNIFIN: Yes, sir. You sort of have to be Albert Einstein to run the nuclear power plants that we have here as well, but we’re doing that very well. I would go, sir — Mr. President, I would go electromagnetic cast. I think that’s the way to go. We do pay a heavy cost for transiting the steam around the ship.

THE PRESIDENT: Good. Okay. I like to hear that. I’m actually happy about that answer, because at least, you know, they’re doing what they’re doing. But that’s actually a very good answer. "

See once you take the bluster out of it and don't resort to headlines there is a sort of sense here. Now I'm not saying this is a man in tune with a deep scientific knowledge but think about a Political leader trying to talk about military hardware, you could easily see bush, bill Clinton etc.. asking those things in the same way.

Captain Obvious · 26-11-2018 12:29AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

See once you take the bluster out of it and don't resort to headlines there is a sort of sense here. Now I'm not saying this is a man in tune with a deep scientific knowledge but think about a Political leader trying to talk about military hardware, you could easily see bush, bill Clinton etc.. asking those things in the same way.

It shows a guy who has the knowledge of a single bulletpoint he likely read, or more likely was read to him, before the call.

Eric Cartman · 26-11-2018 12:30AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It shows a guy who has the knowledge of a single bulletpoint he likely read, or more likely was read to him, before the call.

very possibly, but a lot of political leaders would have done that , I think the comparison to a 5th class student or that this is another indicator of him being a 'moron' really isn't there.

Stallingrad · 26-11-2018 10:04AM

It's interesting to read the full transcript. Of course the media goes into a frenzy over a line or two. There is nothing there that would should even make the headlines. Its a conversation where a question is asked and answered. It may not have the intellectual depth we would all like to see from a President but that is nothing new. I'm sick of the media inflaming every issue (and non-issue), it only lends credence to the"fake news' narrative. Forget what he says and look at what is going on.

pixelburp · 26-11-2018 10:11AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

very possibly, but a lot of political leaders would have done that , I think the comparison to a 5th class student or that this is another indicator of him being a 'moron' really isn't there.

I think the critical differentiator between Trump and other presidents or politicians is that (quoted and sourced) articles suggest he simply does not read intelligence reports; that aides & staff have had to condense briefings & reports - the complex kind you'd expect of the 'Leader of the Free World' - down to bullet pointed, single-paged summaries. Indeed, one report from fadó said that they discovered including Trump's own name midway through these slimmer documents had better success in getting the President to maintain attention. Not to mention his proclivity to tear up said documents, despite repeatedly being told it's against the law.

A refusal to engage with the information at hand is not a particularly unique trait with Trump - anyone following Brexit would see an equally wilful refusal to deal with a well documented reality - but it's especially galling when, it's fair to suggest, the subject at hand possesses an excess of personality and braggadocio. Or indeed controls one of the world's last superpowers.

Is Trump a moron? I honestly don't think he's a very intelligent man, or that he's particularly patient and, critically, a curious individual who seeks knowledge. From what I've read of him - before and after 2016 - reads of a man who simply doesn't want to learn, but is solid in his confidence of his own ability, rejecting direction or information from others. So maybe not a 'moron', but a good case for arguing the Dunning–Kruger effect. Hell, the scuttlebutt I'd read suggests he was a nightmare to work with, even during his many TV / film cameos.

Christy42 · 26-11-2018 10:12AM

Stallingrad wrote: »

It's interesting to read the full transcript. Of course the media goes into a frenzy over a line or two. There is nothing there that would should even make the headlines. Its a conversation where a question is asked and answered. It may not have the intellectual depth we would all like to see from a President but that is nothing new. I'm sick of the media inflaming every issue (and non-issue), it only lends credence to the"fake news' narrative. Forget what he says and look at what is going on.

He is the president. We are not meant to forget what he says.

Just because we are used to his lack of intellectual ability does not mean we should expect it from the POTUS.

Standards should not be lowered. The fact that he has yet to meet them does not mean they should be lowered to suit him.

Leroy42 · 26-11-2018 10:13AM

We are talking about POTUS, not some nobody. He already had access to all this information. Yet he didn't bother actually knowing anything about it yet already had a position.

That is the problem. You basically have the local pub bore in charge of the country. It points to the reality that he makes decisions based on his own view rather than facts. That is pretty worrying on issues such as climate change, global trade or taxation etc.

And hr didn't simply ask a question. His point was that he felt that this move was a mistake, and it was pointed out how wrong he was.

everlast75 · 26-11-2018 10:14AM

I'm trying to get a handle on what exactly is happening at the southern border. The facts appear to be as follows;

1) Trump sent thousands of troops down to the border just before the mid-terms
2) they are prohibited from interacting with members of the public by law
3) apparently they helped with some barbed fencing
4) they are being brought back home now that the midterms are over
5) Trump says that the caravan should not enter the US illegally
6) He then shuts the only legal entry point
7) they try to get through, after travelling about 2000 miles, and the US officers fire tear gas at them, who include women and children, which is in breach of the Geneva Human Rights convention
8) the refusal to allow people apply for asylum is illegal also.

Is that about right?

Stallingrad · 26-11-2018 10:20AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

And hr didn't simply ask a question. His point was that he felt that this move was a mistake, and it was pointed out how wrong he was.

I'll bet you anything there are plenty in the Navy who felt is was a mistake too. No innovation is greeted with universal approval, ESPECIALLY in the military. So T read or heard about a potential uncertainty over a new technology and asked the guy, I really don't see the issue. You don't really believe he cares either way do you?

The only problem is that this should have been a private conversation or briefing. But as ever the media plays right into his (small) hands.

everlast75 · 26-11-2018 10:21AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

very possibly, but a lot of political leaders would have done that , I think the comparison to a 5th class student or that this is another indicator of him being a 'moron' really isn't there.

Stallingrad wrote: »

It's interesting to read the full transcript. Of course the media goes into a frenzy over a line or two. There is nothing there that would should even make the headlines. Its a conversation where a question is asked and answered. It may not have the intellectual depth we would all like to see from a President but that is nothing new. I'm sick of the media inflaming every issue (and non-issue), it only lends credence to the"fake news' narrative. Forget what he says and look at what is going on.

Trump is clickbait a lot of the time.

But the idea that they guy isn't a moran, with due respect to Cartman and PB, I respectfully disagree. In fact, I think he is the worst kind of moran and that is one who refuses to learn, who is a narcissist, a bully and a bigot and most worryingly, has substantial power.

Quin_Dub · 26-11-2018 11:01AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

See once you take the bluster out of it and don't resort to headlines there is a sort of sense here. Now I'm not saying this is a man in tune with a deep scientific knowledge but think about a Political leader trying to talk about military hardware, you could easily see bush, bill Clinton etc.. asking those things in the same way.

I think the key commentary on this (when you take out the "Trump is an idiot" bluster) is whether or not the Thanksgiving calls/visits are really the place for these kinds of questions..

He politicized most of the calls when typically they are very fluffy and focused more on the human side of things , "How are you guys getting on, away from your families at this time" or that kind of thing.

It highlighted again his lack of feel the human side of things. Everything is about what he can get out of it - Have a dig about a cost over-run on the new carrier , have a dig about Immigration and how the 9th circuit are mean to him etc.

All when he should have been just saying a simple unvarnished thank you to troops on deployment away from their families at Thanksgiving..

Igotadose · 26-11-2018 11:14AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

All when he should have been just saying a simple unvarnished thank you to troops on deployment away from their families at Thanksgiving..

Agreed. Like I posted earlier, Trump thanked himself for thanksgiving. Steam catapults was irrelevant - it's all about Trump, all the time. He did say Happy Thanksgiving (the transcript was posted above.) The rest was noise and him showing, well, whatever it is he shows - that he's important and is on a call with a real live Admiral or whatever. Patted the Admiral on the head for giving a good answer - he's got to show he's the boss, after all. "Good Job!" might've been more in character.

Here's what a real leader does on Thanksgiving - goes and visits the Troops. Trump can't even be arsed to go to Arlington on Veteran's day.

Note George Bush, John McCain (RIP) and I think Grassley in the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeYgnw9nNYw

Not Trump though. Hang out at the golf course, get some clickbait through whatever random crap spews from him on the call.

8-10 · 26-11-2018 11:16AM

batgoat wrote: »

Erm yes you did... The president accidentally hitting on a point is not something to be particularly impressed by.... It was a pretty generic statement that he made that was closer to hot air than an actually informed opinion. That's the reality.

his point was literally hot air

Eric Cartman · 26-11-2018 11:43AM

everlast75 wrote: »

I'm trying to get a handle on what exactly is happening at the southern border. The facts appear to be as follows;

1) Trump sent thousands of troops down to the border just before the mid-terms
2) they are prohibited from interacting with members of the public by law
3) apparently they helped with some barbed fencing
4) they are being brought back home now that the midterms are over
5) Trump says that the caravan should not enter the US illegally
6) He then shuts the only legal entry point
7) they try to get through, after travelling about 2000 miles, and the US officers fire tear gas at them, who include women and children, which is in breach of the Geneva Human Rights convention
8) the refusal to allow people apply for asylum is illegal also.

Is that about right?

Well it appears the mexican police have also been trying to stop them , sending out police with batons/tear gas/ trying to close the borders too. The migrant caravan hardly had a smooth passage all the way to the border, mexicans have been holding demonstrations agains the caravan for days.

everlast75 · 26-11-2018 03:09PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Well it appears the mexican police have also been trying to stop them , sending out police with batons/tear gas/ trying to close the borders too. The migrant caravan hardly had a smooth passage all the way to the border, mexicans have been holding demonstrations agains the caravan for days.

so, with the additional detail that the mexican police are allegedly taking part too, what you are saying is that I am correct?

In that case, what on earth was the point of the army being sent down?

What purpose did it serve?

As the army are not being used, is that not proof that the army movement was
unnecessary, that it was all a con, as was the promise of a middle income tax cut?

Do his fans not feel played?

Instead of incurring the cost of sending down the army, why not just send additional personnel to process the migrants?

On what grounds is it reasonable to slam the door shut when they arrive, call them law-breakers and then fire tear gas at kids?

I mean, the US claims to be a Country built on immigration. These people were trying to apply for asylum legally, and that's the thanks they get?

Is this policy not now going to drive up business for those trying to smuggle people across the border illegally? I mean, isn't that what Trump's alleged beef really was?

Jesus - what a complete sh1tshow.

everlast75 · 26-11-2018 04:28PM

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1067076795219017728?s=19

As I understand it, people only get offered a plea deal when they have something of interest.

I wonder what, or who, that might be...

TomOnBoard · 26-11-2018 04:35PM

I reckon that Trump will be very happy today with the developments at the Border. His Border Wall 'policy' just got a major boost by the migrants 'attacking' the U.S. yesterday. The pictures of confrontations at San Ysidro are feeding his months-old characterization of the caravan as an army of invaders. The images of a 'mini- Gaza' at the Southern Border, with overflying helicopters, police in riot gear and waves of tear-gas are exactly what was needed to push the Wall narrative.

Now that lethal force on the part of the military has been sanctiioned, expect some lethality to enter the mix in the coming days. There is a huge PR campaign being waged using these migrants as pawns in the bigger game that is being played by all sides. And it's going to get uglier!

TomOnBoard · 26-11-2018 04:41PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1067076795219017728?s=19

As I understand it, people only get offered a plea deal when they have something of interest.

I wonder what, or who, that might be...

Corsi is a stepping stone to .... Stone.

nicedryturf · 26-11-2018 04:41PM

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/06/defiant-donald-trump-warns-of-caravans-and-in-last-minute-push-for-midterm-votes

Heartbreaking stuff. I keep thinking about the little girl, Lesly and her young father. I know hard cases make bad laws and all that but seriously.... these are the people that Trump is sending his soldiers to engage?

everlast75 · 26-11-2018 04:43PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I reckon that Trump will be very happy today with the developments at the Border. His Border Wall 'policy' just got a major boost by the migrants 'attacking' the U.S. yesterday. The pictures of confrontations at San Ysidro are feeding his months-old characterization of the caravan as an army of invaders. The images of a 'mini- Gaza' at the Southern Border, with overflying helicopters, police in riot gear and waves of tear-gas are exactly what was needed to push the Wall narrative.

Now that lethal force on the part of the military has been sanctiioned, expect some lethality to enter the mix in the coming days. There is a huge PR campaign being waged using these migrants as pawns in the bigger game that is being played by all sides. And it's going to get uglier!

Its very hard to fight propaganda, especially when the audience is so willing.

Nixon was powerful without a network pumping out his message. Trump has Fox and twitter too of course.

Really nasty, nasty stuff. A real low in the history of the US.

Oh, and while we are discussing DJT, Mr. "No one has been tougher on Russia than me", he's attacking immigrants, Mueller et al... not a peep about the Ukraine. Funny that...

TomOnBoard · 26-11-2018 04:57PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Its very hard to fight propaganda, especially when the audience is so willing.

Nixon was powerful without a network pumping out his message. Trump has Fox and twitter too of course.

Really nasty, nasty stuff. A real low in the history of the US.

Pelosi and the incoming Democrat House majority is one of Trump's targets here also. He needs to characterise the new House as being 'Enemies of the People' with a gang of lawless Democrats wanting to allow open borders and let all kinds of rabid criminals into the US. He will try to engineer Democrats being portrayed as aiders and abetters of the 'lawlessness' while he and his Presidency are portrayed as the only hope for the safety of the American People. This narrative was key to his mid-terms strategy while others were saying he should have focused on the economy. However, he stuck to the immigration issue, purely to further his "SuperHero President T" self - aggrandizement for the 2020 campaign.

Pelosi's job is a whole harder than it might seem.

jooksavage · 26-11-2018 04:58PM

The idea of Stone doing a perp walk makes me positively giddy. In a world full of bad actors, Stone stands apart as a candidate for the worst living human. Some of the stuff he's put up on social media would make a jaded veteran of 4chan blush - it's jarring to think this guy has been around since Nixon!

The Mueller investigation is the stuff of allegories: Trump and his cronies all thought the office of President gave them unlimited power but it would it would lead to their ultimate destruction.

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