'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 07:11PM

mfceiling wrote: »

If you had the brains to read my post you'd see I clearly said that my wife told me it was commissioned by a lady to represent any soldier.

Obviously she was wrong and you were right ergo you win the Internet.

Your prize is a tin of red paint.

You asked...

Was the statue meant to represent any soldier from any country who fought in WW1?

If you had the brains to read the thread before asking the question, you wouldn't have needed to ask.

Now you both look silly.

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 07:12PM

BBFAN wrote: »

But it wasn't a British soldier though? You obviously didn't read up on this did you?

It's a British soldier. Don't be soft.

mfceiling · 23-11-2018 07:16PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

You asked...

If you had the brains to read the thread before asking the question, you wouldn't have needed to ask.

Now you both look silly.

I asked a question. I also said my wife heard it was commissioned by a lady to remember all the dead.
As I said we were both wrong.

You heroically set me straight.

Well done lad.

mfceiling · 23-11-2018 07:21PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

It's a British soldier. Don't be soft.

Ha...had a quick Google there and there's no mention of it being a British soldier.

You might want to wind that neck of yours in a couple of feet there.

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 07:25PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Ha...had a quick Google there and there's no mention of it being a British soldier.

You might want to wind that neck of yours in a couple of feet there.

Have a quick Google Images, and educate yourself.

Use your common sense, and LOOK at it carefully.

That's a Brodie helmet.

Look at that webbing pattern, that cap.

BBFAN · 23-11-2018 07:27PM

riffmongous wrote: »

I don't disagree much with that Rory, but what tends to irk a lot of people is that we've seen a lot of commemorating recently and it's all gone to great pains to focus purely on remembering the soldiers, and almost no criticism of why they died, instead it's all been thinly veiled militaristism and patriotism and never a word about the people and reasons who caused their suffering, which you'd think would be the most important thing to take from WW1, it's buildup and aftermath

I don't know Riff, I've heard a lot of criticism about WW1 and a lot of sympathy for the young lads (some as young as 15 and 16) who lied about their age to sign up purely because they were living in dire poverty.

That to me is what the statue is about, especially the Irish lads who came home and couldn't even speak about what they suffered because of the stigma attached.

mfceiling · 23-11-2018 07:29PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Have a quick Google Images, and educate yourself.

Use your common sense, and LOOK at it carefully.

That helmet, that webbing pattern, that cap.

Ah ok. The bit where he says it represents "a" soldier is secretly meant to be "a british".
Is the British bit silent like the letter g in the word length?

23-11-2018 07:35PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Very true ^

The absurdity is they did forget and continued forgetting and will continue into the future.

The myths about WW1 are sold because it is of paramount importance that this army is available and the public are deluded into thinking there is something 'honourable' in being a part of it.

Dying in a war/conflict is ignominious and wasteful and an admission that civility has lost out. It should never be honoured or glorified. Remembrance should always highlight the utter futility and waste and in the case of WW1 the criminal waste of life.
As Irish people we should be the most vocal in criticising it. But the hat doffers and empire lovers will not allow it.

But walk into a chip shop with a bomb and kill children and that person should be hero worshipped and held in high regard?

You really are a hypocrite

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 07:39PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Ah ok. The bit where he says it represents "a" soldier is secretly meant to be "a british".
Is the British bit silent like the letter g in the word length?

Smarter people than you are letting on to be have figured it out for you.

Look at the cap badge.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4088906/Tin-Tommy-s-ready-scrap-20ft-metal-soldier-haunting-reminder-World-War.html

Now look at a Royal Artillery cap badge.

https://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/insignia-flags-regalia/433260d1355049896-royal-artillery-cap-badge-photo783.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/insignia-flags-regalia/royal-artillery-cap-badge-243693/&h=480&w=633&tbnid=bFwf51kvXDB3pM&q=royal+artillery+cap+badge+ww1&tbnh=104&tbnw=137&usg=AI4_-kQiT86YpCxJxOKeAHkNIhOZhAgqEQ&vet=1&docid=a9eEsSKc558rZM&itg=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj4rKrZoeveAhUkJsAKHUhAAMIQ_h0wE3oECAIQCA

cameramonkey · 23-11-2018 07:40PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Ha...had a quick Google there and there's no mention of it being a British soldier.

You might want to wind that neck of yours in a couple of feet there.

The woman the facilitated the statue coming to Ireland said specifically that it was to explore how she could remember and commemorate the soldiers from the island of Ireland who fought in the war, both those who died and those who survived.

So it was brought here to commemorate those from Ireland who chose to serve in the British army.

I don't understand the reluctance to accept that these men were in the British army, It's seems that many people want to distance their relatives from the fact that the were serving the empire. Its a bit schizophrenia, are they ashamed that their ancestors served in the British army?

RandomName2 · 23-11-2018 07:47PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Have a quick Google Images, and educate yourself.

Use your common sense, and LOOK at it carefully.

That's a Brodie helmet.

Look at that webbing pattern, that cap.

That's the strangest looking helmet I've ever seen.

I think you mean peaked cap, not Brodie helmet.

And that's pretty indistinguishable from what, let's say, a Canadian would have been wearing

Is that educated enough for you?

Sorry.

23-11-2018 07:48PM

Aegir wrote: »

yes, it is a well known fact the the High King of Ireland usually obtained his position by holding a referendum. None of this killing, raping, taking hostages and arranging marriages.

A good simple referendum, whilst reading poetry to the soothing sounds of a harp being plucked and the tap tap tapping of children doing an Irish jig.

I notice you didn’t address the poster’s point re Brehon Laws and the position of women in society. Can’t have those barbaric Irish doing something better than the neighbours now can we?

cameramonkey · 23-11-2018 07:48PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

That's the strangest looking helmet I've ever seen.

I think you mean peaked cap, not Brodie helmet.

And that's pretty indistinguishable from what, let's say, a Canadian would have been wearing

Is that educated enough for you?

Sorry.

There is a helmet on his back pack.Its a classic BA army issue look.

23-11-2018 07:49PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

I don't understand the reluctance to accept that these men were in the British army, It's seems that many people want to distance their relatives from the fact that the were serving the empire. Its a bit schizophrenia, are they ashamed that their ancestors served in the British army?

Republicans are getting less and less relevant and just use opportunities like this to try and keep the hate going.

Without the hate, the shinners start to fade even more in to insignificance as this country becomes more modern and progressive.

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 07:50PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

That's the strangest looking helmet I've ever seen.

I think you mean peaked cap, not Brodie helmet.

And that's pretty indistinguishable from what, let's say, a Canadian would have been wearing

Is that educated enough for you?

Sorry.

The helmet is at his back. And it's clearly not a German, or French, or Turkish one.

That's why I wrote

That's a Brodie helmet.

Look at that webbing pattern, that cap.

Cap and helmet as two separate items. As per a full stop.

Yeah, could be Canadian. Bit of a stretch though. Not a sensible suggestion in this case, all things considered.

In any case, the British declaration of war automatically brought Canada into the war, because of Canada's status as a British dominion.

23-11-2018 07:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I notice you didn’t address the poster’s point re Brehon Laws and the position of women in society. Can’t have those barbaric Irish doing something better than the neighbours now can we?

I ignored their point about being enlightened and progressive after independence as well.

Shall we discuss that?

Spanish Eyes · 23-11-2018 07:53PM

So sad that some would desecrate this.

I will say no more because it plays into the you know who's hands.

They haven't gone away you know, but they also seem to have no empathy, no understanding of social or other history at the time, and will always denigrate WW1 from an Irish perspective.

So sad and so destructive.

BBFAN · 23-11-2018 07:56PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

If you had performed the basic courtesy of reading the thread from the beginning, you'd know that it represents a British soldier.

If you had bothered to read further than Boards you would see that it didn't represent a soldier from any particular country, in fact it went out of it's way to make sure it didn't.

JupiterKid · 23-11-2018 07:56PM

Wanton vandalism is never a good thing. I sincerely hope the perpetrator(s) is caught and punished.

The most fitting punshment would be Community Service, some of which would involve cleaning and repairing the statue.

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 07:57PM

BBFAN wrote: »

If you had bothered to read further than Boards you would see that it didn't represent a soldier from any particular country, in fact it went out of it's way to make sure it didn't.

You are categorically wrong.

It is very far from going out of it's way not to represent a specific side.

cameramonkey · 23-11-2018 08:01PM

Aegir wrote: »

Republicans are getting less and less relevant and just use opportunities like this to try and keep the hate going.

Without the hate, the shinners start to fade even more in to insignificance as this country becomes more modern and progressive.

Did republicans vandalise the statue?

23-11-2018 08:05PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Did republicans vandalise the statue?

Most likely, who knows

The ones on here claiming that it glorifies the British army etc etc etc are though.

It’s any excuse to drag up the past, but dare mention any of their atrocities and we’re told to move on blah blah blah.

They’re just hypocrites

23-11-2018 08:05PM

Aegir wrote: »

I ignored their point about being enlightened and progressive after independence as well.

Shall we discuss that?

Why should we? I thought the poster made an interesting point re Brehon laws.

FrancieBrady · 23-11-2018 08:05PM

Aegir wrote: »

But walk into a chip shop with a bomb and kill children and that person should be hero worshipped and held in high regard?

You really are a hypocrite

No Aegir, no matter what contortions you have to indulge to cheer lead the hat doffing, that is NOT what I said.

I said all communities should be allowed to respectfully remember their dead.
This type of 'remembering', the type that manages to make it all so glorious is not respecting of anything. Neither the dead nor our intelligence.

23-11-2018 08:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why should we? I thought the poster made an interesting point re Brehon laws.

Interesting maybe, relevant, no.

Spanish Eyes · 23-11-2018 08:06PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

Wanton vandalism is never a good thing. I sincerely hope the perpetrator(s) is caught and punished.

The most fitting punshment would be Community Service, some of which would involve cleaning and repairing the statue.

I'd say it was targeted myself.

Pity it didn't have cctv around it, given the potential for this kind of sh!t from a certain cohort.

Awful stuff.

23-11-2018 08:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No Aegir, no matter what contortions you have to indulge to cheer lead the hat doffing, that is NOT what I said.

I said all communities should be allowed to respectfully remember their dead.
This type of 'remembering', the type that manages to make it all so glorious is not respecting of anything. Neither the dead nor our intelligence.

It is a statue of a soldier returning from war, a broken, disheveled man suffering from the horrors of the western front just like thousands of Irishmen did and millions the world over.

Only in your fuxked up little world is that glorifying anything.

BBFAN · 23-11-2018 08:11PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

It's a British soldier. Don't be soft.

It is NOT a British soldier and deliberately so.

Lefty Bicek · 23-11-2018 08:13PM

BBFAN wrote: »

It is NOT a British soldier and deliberately so.

Go on...

FrancieBrady · 23-11-2018 08:15PM

Aegir wrote: »

It is a statue of a soldier returning from war, a broken, disheveled man suffering from the horrors of the western front just like thousands of Irishmen did and millions the world over.

Only in your fuxked up little world is that glorifying anything.

The glorious sarcrifice? This fuxked up little man has been listening to this about the British contribution to WW1 all his life.

They made a fatal mistake. No amount of hindsight will whitewash that away.
Whether they were related to you or not.

Thankfully the world is awash with the real history of it, the British, who cheerlead this whitewash (probably out of guilt) won't get away with. As you continuously try to here.

'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

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