Doing the alt lottery at the bookies - better deal it seems

worded · 19-11-2018 01:13AM #1

I never do the lottery in the bookies and only occasionally with official lottery machines but this is interesting reading

Lotto is loosing a % of their business to the bookies

http://www.lottoresults.ie/lottery-bookie-betting.php

NIMAN · 19-11-2018 01:25AM

I know a couple of people who won a few thousand on the bookies lottery.

One got 2k, the other 8k.

Odds are likely a lot better at the bookies, but at the same time, you'll never win a few million.

You takes your choice.

Richard Hillman · 19-11-2018 01:26AM

Costs about €5 to do 2 lines with the plus. If I was going to gamble €5 euro, I would do a football accumulator.

The bookies lotto allows you to put on a euro or two and you get back a decent amount if you get 2-3 numbers.

Lotto have completely out priced themselves

ToddyDoody · 19-11-2018 01:33AM

Hang on while I climb up here.......

Loto money goes to good causes. Bookie money don't.

NIMAN · 19-11-2018 01:36AM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Hang on while I climb up here.......

Loto money goes to good causes. Bookie money don't.

Do people do the lotto to help good causes?

Do they my arse.

CinemaGuy45 · 19-11-2018 01:39AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Do people do the lotto to help good causes?

Do they my arse.

Good Causes my sausage.

ToddyDoody · 19-11-2018 01:39AM

NIMAN wrote: »

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Hang on while I climb up here.......

Loto money goes to good causes. Bookie money don't.

Do people do the lotto to help good causes?

Do they my arse.

Maybe they should stop bothering?

NIMAN · 19-11-2018 01:40AM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Maybe they should stop bothering?

Or they could give to charity directly?

People wanna be rich.

19-11-2018 03:21AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Good Causes my sausage.

The rte concert orchestra are brilliant..

PirateShampoo · 19-11-2018 07:33AM

3 numbers on the lotto wins you roughly €10

3 numbers on the Paddy Power lotto for the same price won me €1250.

Samuel Vimes · 19-11-2018 08:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The rte concert orchestra are brilliant..

If they are that brilliant why do they need a charity handout?
Especially bearing in mind they are already subsidised by the licence fee!:mad:

Scott Tenorman · 19-11-2018 09:14AM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

3 numbers on the lotto wins you roughly €10

3 numbers on the Paddy Power lotto for the same price won me €1250.

That isn't a like for like bet.

Bookies bet is one bet of getting 3 numbers out of 3

Lotto is any 3 numbers out of 6 (multiple times) plus you also get 2 numbers and the bonus ball (multiple times), 3 numbers and the bonus ball (multiple times), 4 numbers of 6 (multiple times), 4 numbers and the bonus ball (multiple times), 5 numbers out of 6 (multiple times), 5 numbers and the bonus ball (multiple times) & of course the jackpot all for the price of one bet.

timthumbni · 19-11-2018 09:18AM

Yes, one set of scammers paying slightly better odds than the other one. Have you ever wondered why bookies open early in the morning. Because there’s always a sucker out there waiting to be caught.

Hammer89 · 19-11-2018 09:37AM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

3 numbers on the lotto wins you roughly €10

3 numbers on the Paddy Power lotto for the same price won me €1250.

It's not as it sounds but. In the lotto you get seven numbers overall and if you pair three then you get a minimal payout, but in the bookies you only have three numbers to begin with.

19-11-2018 03:43PM

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

If they are that brilliant why do they need a charity handout?
Especially bearing in mind they are already subsidised by the licence fee!:mad:

People today are uncultured savages..they're not hipster enough..

Go and see them some evening..you'd nearly stop giving out about the Tv license after it..

tayto lover · 19-11-2018 03:52PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

It's not as it sounds but. In the lotto you get seven numbers overall and if you pair three then you get a minimal payout, but in the bookies you only have three numbers to begin with.

I have a little system.
I pick two numbers, say 2 and 34. Then I put them with all the 20's. So I do 1 euro trebles I.e. 2-34-20, 2-34-21, 2-34-22 etc.
10 trebles for 10 euro. You could click a few times in the same bet with this system @ 625 euro per treble out of the first 6 numbers drawn out.

goose2005 · 19-11-2018 03:57PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I have a little system.

and at those words, every bookie in the world stifled a laugh

19-11-2018 03:58PM

That does look like a reasonably good system though..as systems go..

4068ac1elhodqr · 19-11-2018 04:02PM

It is as good as it sounds, any of the bookies offer much better odds and thus chances for a better return (ROI).
Using the 'hotpick' type at the bookies also means you can (if you want) choose from a pool of 7 balls (includes the bonus).

I've calculated the best % method and game type.

It is the following: 3 balls lotto.ie (main draw, 6 balls) which offers 86.33% of actual true odds.
Thus a €1 hotpick on 3 balls (from 6) returns €701.

You can also stake as low as €0.25 if you choose, instead of the regular fixed €2/3 shop tickets.
You can also avail of the 'law of large numbers' to (slightly) increase you chances by P+0.05 or so.

// On a seperate note, I see the dreaded 'millionaire raffle' €25 game is back for Christmas.
This event only gives out a measaly 36.92% of the total (€12,500,000) prizepool back to punters.

Sure there is some going to good causes, but there is also alot going to private pension funds.
How much from the remaining 63.02% fund goes to each isn't stated AFAIK.

tayto lover · 19-11-2018 04:03PM

Q

goose2005 wrote: »

and at those words, every bookie in the world stifled a laugh

They weren't laughing when I collected 1,875 last year and 1,250 on two other occasions.
Once the two numbers I do came out but without any 20's but that's the luck of the draw.
I only do it on a Sat for an interest and it's only a tenner.
You won't beat the bookies overall but sometimes you get a nice wee lift.

kneemos · 19-11-2018 04:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That does look like a reasonably good system though..as systems go..

Any three numbers have the same chance of coming out.
Spreading them out evenly makes no difference.

19-11-2018 04:18PM

Looks ingenious to me anyway..

4068ac1elhodqr · 19-11-2018 04:18PM

kneemos wrote: »

Any three numbers have the same chance of coming out.
Spreading them out evenly makes no difference.

Pending stats, there may be a miniscule advantage due to the law of large numbers (averaging). Last months Euromills super rollover draw was won by a main ball from each decade 0x, 1x, 2x, 3x, 4.

Slippy, heavy balls may also offer a {miniscule} advantage. i.e. Balls loaded with paint may have less friction and more gravitaional pull towards the bottom of the barrel for selection.

4068ac1elhodqr · 19-11-2018 04:20PM

If you spent €2/3 on regular ticket and won 3 numbers on the previous regular draw you'd have just €9 winnings to spend today.

If you went with the 'hotpick3' method you'd have €701 for per €1 spend.
Yes the odds are slightly higher as you only have 3 balls of which to target from,
but the odds certainly aren't x77.88 times higher.

Sure you have the chance of winning more with shop ticket, but even then
the biggest prize was 5balls on Sat, and that paid just 2.5k.

The only guaranteed '1m prize' type any hotpick type lottos is the uk's EM-Hotpick
Thus, you get 1m GBP for getting 5balls (no stars) in the Euromillions-HP for 1.50gbp.

Shanotheslayer · 19-11-2018 04:55PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Q

You won't beat the bookies overall but sometimes you get a nice wee lift.

You can. It's entirely possible. I know plenty of people who have.

In terms of Lotto there's no edge tho so you probably won't for Lotto.

Guy:Incognito · 19-11-2018 05:17PM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

3 numbers on the lotto wins you roughly €10

3 numbers on the Paddy Power lotto for the same price won me €1250.

People do the lotto in the hope of winning the jackpot. You can't do that doing it in the bookies.

It's mich better odds for everything below the big prizes, but you're foregoing the shot at them.
You won't be retiring on your winnings from the bookies.

ohnonotgmail · 19-11-2018 05:22PM

Delilah Crooked Martinet wrote: »

Pending stats, there may be a miniscule advantage due to the law of large numbers (averaging). Last months Euromills super rollover draw was won by a main ball from each decade 0x, 1x, 2x, 3x, 4.

Slippy, heavy balls may also offer a {miniscule} advantage. i.e. Balls loaded with paint may have less friction and more gravitaional pull towards the bottom of the barrel for selection.

this is taken into account when creating the balls.

RayCun · 19-11-2018 05:36PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

People do the lotto in the hope of winning the jackpot. You can't do that doing it in the bookies.

Playing the lottery, or the equivalent in the bookies, is a fool's game either way. You would be better off putting your money in a jar and celebrating your 'win' at the end of the year.

The only halfway valid reason for doing it is you're paying for the daydream of winning big.

NIMAN · 19-11-2018 05:39PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Q

You won't beat the bookies overall but sometimes you get a nice wee lift.

So you are admitting your winnings are less than you put in.

Surely saving your money would be better in the long run?

tayto lover · 19-11-2018 05:47PM

NIMAN wrote: »

So you are admitting your winnings are less than you put in.

Surely saving your money would be better in the long run?

I'm actually ahead for the 4 years I've been doing it.
Overall with time I will lose. You never see a bookie on a bicycle.
I'm enjoying the little flutter though.

Ursus Horribilis · 19-11-2018 05:49PM

They're loosing what?

Doing the alt lottery at the bookies - better deal it seems

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