Doing the alt lottery at the bookies - better deal it seems

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I never do the lottery in the bookies and only occasionally with official lottery machines but this is interesting reading

Lotto is loosing a % of their business to the bookies

http://www.lottoresults.ie/lottery-bookie-betting.php

NIMAN

I know a couple of people who won a few thousand on the bookies lottery.

One got 2k, the other 8k.

Odds are likely a lot better at the bookies, but at the same time, you'll never win a few million.

You takes your choice.

Richard Hillman

Costs about €5 to do 2 lines with the plus. If I was going to gamble €5 euro, I would do a football accumulator.

The bookies lotto allows you to put on a euro or two and you get back a decent amount if you get 2-3 numbers.

Lotto have completely out priced themselves

ToddyDoody

Hang on while I climb up here.......


Loto money goes to good causes. Bookie money don't.

NIMAN

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Hang on while I climb up here.......


Loto money goes to good causes. Bookie money don't.

Do people do the lotto to help good causes?

Do they my arse.

CinemaGuy45

NIMAN wrote: »

Do people do the lotto to help good causes?

Do they my arse.

Good Causes my sausage.

ToddyDoody

NIMAN wrote: »

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Hang on while I climb up here.......


Loto money goes to good causes. Bookie money don't.

Do people do the lotto to help good causes?

Do they my arse.

Maybe they should stop bothering?

NIMAN

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Maybe they should stop bothering?

Or they could give to charity directly?

People wanna be rich.

CinemaGuy45

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Good Causes my sausage.

The rte concert orchestra are brilliant..

PirateShampoo

3 numbers on the lotto wins you roughly €10

3 numbers on the Paddy Power lotto for the same price won me €1250.

Samuel Vimes

Deleted User wrote: »

The rte concert orchestra are brilliant..

If they are that brilliant why do they need a charity handout?
Especially bearing in mind they are already subsidised by the licence fee!:mad:

Scott Tenorman

PirateShampoo wrote: »

3 numbers on the lotto wins you roughly €10

3 numbers on the Paddy Power lotto for the same price won me €1250.

That isn't a like for like bet.

Bookies bet is one bet of getting 3 numbers out of 3

Lotto is any 3 numbers out of 6 (multiple times) plus you also get 2 numbers and the bonus ball (multiple times), 3 numbers and the bonus ball (multiple times), 4 numbers of 6 (multiple times), 4 numbers and the bonus ball (multiple times), 5 numbers out of 6 (multiple times), 5 numbers and the bonus ball (multiple times) & of course the jackpot all for the price of one bet.

timthumbni

Yes, one set of scammers paying slightly better odds than the other one. Have you ever wondered why bookies open early in the morning. Because there’s always a sucker out there waiting to be caught.

Hammer89

PirateShampoo wrote: »

3 numbers on the lotto wins you roughly €10

3 numbers on the Paddy Power lotto for the same price won me €1250.

It's not as it sounds but. In the lotto you get seven numbers overall and if you pair three then you get a minimal payout, but in the bookies you only have three numbers to begin with.

Samuel Vimes

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

If they are that brilliant why do they need a charity handout?
Especially bearing in mind they are already subsidised by the licence fee!:mad:

People today are uncultured savages..they're not hipster enough..

Go and see them some evening..you'd nearly stop giving out about the Tv license after it..

tayto lover

Hammer89 wrote: »

It's not as it sounds but. In the lotto you get seven numbers overall and if you pair three then you get a minimal payout, but in the bookies you only have three numbers to begin with.

I have a little system.
I pick two numbers, say 2 and 34. Then I put them with all the 20's. So I do 1 euro trebles I.e. 2-34-20, 2-34-21, 2-34-22 etc.
10 trebles for 10 euro. You could click a few times in the same bet with this system @ 625 euro per treble out of the first 6 numbers drawn out.

goose2005

tayto lover wrote: »

I have a little system.

and at those words, every bookie in the world stifled a laugh

That does look like a reasonably good system though..as systems go..

4068ac1elhodqr

It is as good as it sounds, any of the bookies offer much better odds and thus chances for a better return (ROI).
Using the 'hotpick' type at the bookies also means you can (if you want) choose from a pool of 7 balls (includes the bonus).

I've calculated the best % method and game type.

It is the following: 3 balls lotto.ie (main draw, 6 balls) which offers 86.33% of actual true odds.
Thus a €1 hotpick on 3 balls (from 6) returns €701.

You can also stake as low as €0.25 if you choose, instead of the regular fixed €2/3 shop tickets.
You can also avail of the 'law of large numbers' to (slightly) increase you chances by P+0.05 or so.


// On a seperate note, I see the dreaded 'millionaire raffle' €25 game is back for Christmas.
This event only gives out a measaly 36.92% of the total (€12,500,000) prizepool back to punters.

Sure there is some going to good causes, but there is also alot going to private pension funds.
How much from the remaining 63.02% fund goes to each isn't stated AFAIK.

tayto lover

Q

goose2005 wrote: »

and at those words, every bookie in the world stifled a laugh

They weren't laughing when I collected 1,875 last year and 1,250 on two other occasions.
Once the two numbers I do came out but without any 20's but that's the luck of the draw.
I only do it on a Sat for an interest and it's only a tenner.
You won't beat the bookies overall but sometimes you get a nice wee lift.

kneemos

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That does look like a reasonably good system though..as systems go..

Any three numbers have the same chance of coming out.
Spreading them out evenly makes no difference.

Looks ingenious to me anyway..

4068ac1elhodqr

kneemos wrote: »

Any three numbers have the same chance of coming out.
Spreading them out evenly makes no difference.

Pending stats, there may be a miniscule advantage due to the law of large numbers (averaging). Last months Euromills super rollover draw was won by a main ball from each decade 0x, 1x, 2x, 3x, 4.

Slippy, heavy balls may also offer a {miniscule} advantage. i.e. Balls loaded with paint may have less friction and more gravitaional pull towards the bottom of the barrel for selection.

4068ac1elhodqr

If you spent €2/3 on regular ticket and won 3 numbers on the previous regular draw you'd have just €9 winnings to spend today.

If you went with the 'hotpick3' method you'd have €701 for per €1 spend.
Yes the odds are slightly higher as you only have 3 balls of which to target from,
but the odds certainly aren't x77.88 times higher.

Sure you have the chance of winning more with shop ticket, but even then
the biggest prize was 5balls on Sat, and that paid just 2.5k.

The only guaranteed '1m prize' type any hotpick type lottos is the uk's EM-Hotpick
Thus, you get 1m GBP for getting 5balls (no stars) in the Euromillions-HP for 1.50gbp.

Shanotheslayer

tayto lover wrote: »

Q

You won't beat the bookies overall but sometimes you get a nice wee lift.

You can. It's entirely possible. I know plenty of people who have.

In terms of Lotto there's no edge tho so you probably won't for Lotto.

Guy:Incognito

PirateShampoo wrote: »

3 numbers on the lotto wins you roughly €10

3 numbers on the Paddy Power lotto for the same price won me €1250.

People do the lotto in the hope of winning the jackpot. You can't do that doing it in the bookies.


It's mich better odds for everything below the big prizes, but you're foregoing the shot at them.
You won't be retiring on your winnings from the bookies.

ohnonotgmail

Delilah Crooked Martinet wrote: »

Pending stats, there may be a miniscule advantage due to the law of large numbers (averaging). Last months Euromills super rollover draw was won by a main ball from each decade 0x, 1x, 2x, 3x, 4.

Slippy, heavy balls may also offer a {miniscule} advantage. i.e. Balls loaded with paint may have less friction and more gravitaional pull towards the bottom of the barrel for selection.

this is taken into account when creating the balls.

RayCun

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

People do the lotto in the hope of winning the jackpot. You can't do that doing it in the bookies.

Playing the lottery, or the equivalent in the bookies, is a fool's game either way. You would be better off putting your money in a jar and celebrating your 'win' at the end of the year.

The only halfway valid reason for doing it is you're paying for the daydream of winning big.

NIMAN

tayto lover wrote: »

Q

You won't beat the bookies overall but sometimes you get a nice wee lift.

So you are admitting your winnings are less than you put in.

Surely saving your money would be better in the long run?

tayto lover

NIMAN wrote: »

So you are admitting your winnings are less than you put in.

Surely saving your money would be better in the long run?

I'm actually ahead for the 4 years I've been doing it.
Overall with time I will lose. You never see a bookie on a bicycle.
I'm enjoying the little flutter though.

Ursus Horribilis

They're loosing what?

Guy:Incognito

NIMAN wrote: »

So you are admitting your winnings are less than you put in.

Surely saving your money would be better in the long run?

Saving all your money and never buying anything is the best thing in the long run.

Then stuff it all in the pockets of the suit you get buried in.

tayto lover

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Saving all your money and never buying anything is the best thing in the long run.

Then stuff it all in the pockets of the suit you get buried in.

No tow bar on a hearse or pockets in a shroud.

Franz Von Peppercorn

PirateShampoo wrote: »

3 numbers on the lotto wins you roughly €10

3 numbers on the Paddy Power lotto for the same price won me €1250.

Really?

Might try that.

kneemos

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Saving all your money and never buying anything is the best thing in the long run.

Then stuff it all in the pockets of the suit you get buried in.

Don't give it to any of the *****.

Franz Von Peppercorn

What do you get from the bookies if you get all 6 numbers?

Assetbacked

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

What do you get from the bookies if you get all 6 numbers?

A wedge of cash subject to max payout restrictions.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm actually ahead for the 4 years I've been doing it.
Overall with time I will lose. You never see a bookie on a bicycle.
I'm enjoying the little flutter though.

There is a few that can’t even afford a bicycle, bookies regularly go bust it’s a myth that they are all raking it in.

theguzman

The corrupt GAA and Dublin GAA in particular are the biggest beneficiary of the Lotto, a good enough reason to give any gambling cash to Paddy Power etc. instead.

Franz Von Peppercorn

theguzman wrote: »

The corrupt GAA and Dublin GAA in particular are the biggest beneficiary of the Lotto, a good enough reason to give any gambling cash to Paddy Power etc. instead.

Corrupt? I don’t really follow the GAA bit they seem to spend the money on the stadia and facilities. Is anybody making a fortune, soccer it ain’t.

theguzman

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Corrupt? I don’t really follow the GAA bit they seem to spend the money on the stadia and facilities. Is anybody making a fortune, silver it ain’t.

Dublin GAA, i.e. the cash cow of the organization receive eleven times more funding per registered GAA player in the county, obviously they would always receive more as they have the biggest population but 11x the next biggest county (on a per player basis) is a disgrace. There is clear favoritism in favour of Dublin which has turned me against the GAA. Its becoming like soccer with Man Utd. and Chelsea etc.

PirateShampoo

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Really?

Might try that.

Yup, once a week a play the same 3 birthday numbers for 2euro , well i used to until Paddy Power removed it from there online webiste.

4068ac1elhodqr

Assetbacked wrote: »

A wedge of cash subject to max payout restrictions.

6 balls to match the main 6 balls in Ire lotto can't be staked oustide of the official operator.

Even if you could, the typical max lotto payout is 500k (pp) or 250k (bs), so would be irrelevant anyway to attempt.

But you can stake x amount to target the best 5 ball target, which is 150,000/1. Thus would require €3.33 on it, realistically €4 as most shop odds are closer to 125,000/1.

B'365 actuall have a max book liability of 1m, but that would require 6.66 on a 5/6 ball outcome. But If aiming only for 1m, simply opt for the uk's 1.50 em-hp which is 1m for 5 main Euromillions (50 vs 47) balls.

Muahahaha

theguzman wrote: »

Dublin GAA, i.e. the cash cow of the organization receive eleven times more funding per registered GAA player in the county, obviously they would always receive more as they have the biggest population but 11x the next biggest county (on a per player basis) is a disgrace. There is clear favoritism in favour of Dublin which has turned me against the GAA. Its becoming like soccer with Man Utd. and Chelsea etc.

never knew that, do you have a link?

Assetbacked

Delilah Crooked Martinet wrote: »

6 balls to match the main 6 balls in Ire lotto can't be staked oustide of the official operator.

Even if you could, the typical max lotto payout is 500k (pp) or 250k (bs), so would be irrelevant anyway to attempt.

But you can stake x amount to target the best 5 ball target, which is 150,000/1. Thus would require €3.33 on it, realistically €4 as most shop odds are closer to 125,000/1.

B'365 actuall have a max book liability of 1m, but that would require 6.66 on a 5/6 ball outcome. But If aiming only for 1m, simply opt for the uk's 1.50 em-hp which is 1m for 5 main Euromillions (50 vs 47) balls.

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TallGlass

What really gets me. Particularly on the 1€ scratch cards, I have spend a 1€ and they literally insult you with a 1€ prize, the price youve just said for the ****ing thing!

I play it in the hope of just winning someone decent to give me a nice comfort like 50/60k even 100k. It's just daydreaming and people do win it. But the odds are really dead set against you. It's just luck. The main Lotto is too expensive. I just get a one line Daily Million for 1.50€ on Wens does me.