Whistleblower: Maurice McCabe

Plumbthedepths · 16-11-2018 3:46pm

bubblypop wrote:

And, what was that exactly? I mean people seem to jump on the hero bandwagon a bit too eagerly. Yes the man had a hard time, his superiors treated him badly. But what did he do to make him a hero?

So what is your honest opinion of McCabe and do you disagree with Justice Charleston description of McCabe?
I'm don't think his actions make him a hero, I do however think he is a man of integrity , decency and honour. Who put the ideals of his oath above loyalty to a disfunctional and somewhat odious organisation. I would be interested in your opinion. I will tell you connection to the AGS, my son is a member coming up to the end of his probation. My sister in law is a member of 20 years standing. I have 3 other extended family members serving in the force. Have you a connection?

upthepoll · 16-11-2018 3:52pm

mattser wrote: »

Plus boats, exhaust pipes, dogs, crows, cats, more crows, etc etc.

Can they not concentrate on the subject matter.

Absolute amateur TV.

there was a heck of a lot of crows alright and lingering shots of fields and upstreet bailieborough, pity they didnt put katie hannon on screen, shes hot..
anyhow, a very sad story, there were no winners here really, fair dues to him and all but if it was me i would have just left it alone and not put my family through all that, all for what? will anything change? no, has anything changed? no, are those baililborough gardai still on duty? yes....

16-11-2018 3:53pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

a better reaction? come on. They did their best to destroy the man because he had the cheek to expose what senior members were doing.

I will agree, but I just find the hero worship thing a bit overboard.
If his issues had of been dealt with correctly in the first place, if there were mechanisms in place in AGS , so he could bring these things to someone outside of his chain of command, it wouldn't make him a hero.
It would make him correct & right but not a hero!

Or so people just believe he is a hero because of the treatment from management? I'm honestly interested.

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2018 3:57pm

bubblypop wrote: »

I will agree, but I just find the hero worship thing a bit overboard.
If his issues had of been dealt with correctly in the first place, if there were mechanisms in place in AGS , so he could bring these things to someone outside of his chain of command, it wouldn't make him a hero.
It would make him correct & right but not a hero!

Or so people just believe he is a hero because of the treatment from management? I'm honestly interested.

the fact that he kept going despite the way he was treated. It was only his own foresight to record certain conversations that prevented him from being completely destroyed. Despite the way he was treated none of the people who acted against him suffered one bit. They were allowed to retire with their pensions. No sanctions at all. Hopefully the state will refuse to cover callinans legal fees and he is sued into bankruptcy.

upthepoll · 16-11-2018 3:58pm

bubblypop wrote: »

I will agree, but I just find the hero worship thing a bit overboard.
If his issues had of been dealt with correctly in the first place, if there were mechanisms in place in AGS , so he could bring these things to someone outside of his chain of command, it wouldn't make him a hero.
It would make him correct & right but not a hero!

Or so people just believe he is a hero because of the treatment from management? I'm honestly interested.

i think people probably see him as a hero not necessarily for what he did but the fact that he never gave up and even got more involved when he went to mullingar, despite what it was doing to his family and his reputation not to mention how it may affect his kids in the future, his old man did the same when they were polluting the lake beside his hotel

Deebles McBeebles · 16-11-2018 3:58pm

bubblypop wrote: »

And, what was that exactly?

Exposed corruption in an organisation that should be beyond corruption.

upthepoll · 16-11-2018 3:59pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Exposed corruption in an organisation that should be beyond corruption.

problem is, as i see it, absolutely nothing has or will change and the mccabe family will never really recover from all of it
i presume there will be a movie made of this?

smurgen · 16-11-2018 4:14pm

bubblypop wrote: »

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

a better reaction? come on. They did their best to destroy the man because he had the cheek to expose what senior members were doing.

I will agree, but I just find the hero worship thing a bit overboard.
If his issues had of been dealt with correctly in the first place, if there were mechanisms in place in AGS , so he could bring these things to someone outside of his chain of command, it wouldn't make him a hero.
It would make him correct & right but not a hero!

Or so people just believe he is a hero because of the treatment from management? I'm honestly interested.

Cause he got many a scumbag fired and their reputation left in tatters and got the wheels set in motion for future whistle blowers.the message is clear now,no one is above the law from ordinary gardai to justice ministers. We have seen the way gardai behave if left unchecked and we have said enough is enough.we are watching.

Ceist_Beag · 16-11-2018 4:25pm

Of course he is a hero.
The reason imv that he is a hero is that he kept doing the right thing, not the easy thing. He had so many opportunities to walk away, turn the other cheek, pretend he didn't see something, etc.
But he didn't, he kept at it and not only that, he was smart enough to keep evidence where needed in order to protect himself at a later point.
How many people would have taken the easy option? How many would have said it's not worth fighting this.
His moral compass was right all along, he had the strength of his convictions to keep going (not to mention his equally heroic wife) and despite every dirty trick thrown at him and the overwhelming inequality in the battle, he came out the winner in the end ... if that's not worthy of being a hero then I don't know what definition you have for it!

archer22 · 16-11-2018 5:01pm

bubblypop wrote: »

I will agree, but I just find the hero worship thing a bit overboard.
If his issues had of been dealt with correctly in the first place, if there were mechanisms in place in AGS , so he could bring these things to someone outside of his chain of command, it wouldn't make him a hero.
It would make him correct & right but not a hero!

Or so people just believe he is a hero because of the treatment from management? I'm honestly interested.

It was far more than just management though wasn't it.You are desperately trying to minimise it.

He stood up to them all alone for a decade enduring the worst campaign of vicious slander, character assassination and intimidation I have ever heard of...and he won in the end and in so doing did the nation an outstanding service.
And indeed probably saved lives on the roads by ensuring dangerous drivers couldn't continue posing a risk to the public and getting away with it like they were.

So yes he is a hero in every sense of the word, the only people he is not a hero to is those he exposed..but hey that's to be expected and shows what a great job he done.

upthepoll · 16-11-2018 5:03pm

archer22 wrote: »

It was far more than just management though wasn't it.You are desperately trying to minimise it.
He stood up to them all alone for a decade enduring the worst campaign of vicious slander, character assassination and intimidation I have ever heard of...and he won in the end and in so doing did the nation an outstanding service.
And indeed probably saved lives on the roads by ensuring dangerous drivers couldn't continue posing a risk to the public and getting away with it like they were.

So yes he is a hero in every sense of the word, the only people he is not a hero to is those he exposed..but hey that's to be expected and shows what a great job he done.

but what about the guards he exposed in bailieborough? to my knowledge nothing happened to any of them...callanan got to retire on a full pension as did the press officer, not mccabes fault but it was all for nothing sadly

Wildly Boaring · 16-11-2018 5:14pm

upthepoll wrote: »

but what about the guards he exposed in bailieborough? to my knowledge nothing happened to any of them...callanan got to retire on a full pension as did the press officer, not mccabes fault but it was all for nothing sadly

So he's not a hero as the bag guys didnt get ruined?

He waded through a river of ****e and shone a light on all that the gardai were up to. They threw child abuse accusations and theft accusations at him. The boss called his actions disgusting.

If others still do not step up and punish the perpetrators he can do no more.

Hero

upthepoll · 16-11-2018 5:16pm

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

So he's not a hero as the bag guys didnt get ruined?

He waded through a river of ****e and shone a light on all that the gardai were up to. They threw child abuse accusations and theft accusations at him. The boss called his actions disgusting.

If others still do not step up and punish the perpetrators he can do no more.

Hero

no i'm not denying that at all, what i am saying is that he went through hell absolute hell and at the end of it all nothing has changed which is disappointing after all he went through

archer22 · 16-11-2018 5:17pm

upthepoll wrote: »

but what about the guards he exposed in bailieborough? to my knowledge nothing happened to any of them...callanan got to retire on a full pension as did the press officer, not mccabes fault but it was all for nothing sadly

Sadly that's to be expected..it's Ireland!.

But at least the public are no longer naive about the institutions of the State and what they are capable of, and that see change alone leaves an outstanding legacy.

upthepoll · 16-11-2018 5:24pm

archer22 wrote: »

Sadly that's to be expected..it's Ireland!.

But at least the public are no longer naive about the institutions of the State and what they are capable of, and that see change alone leaves an outstanding legacy.

true, but with the priests you can just keep away from them and tell them to feck off, with the guards its different, they can cause a lot of harm and difficulty to people

MIN2511 · 17-11-2018 3:35pm

Maurice McCabe and his family have been robbed of so much and for too long. I'm sad to see him retire, and I don't know anyone who would have put up with this.
The impact on his mental health, family life, his marriage, and even his children and their futures.

Call him what you want, it takes determination to stick to what you believe and fight for what you know is right.

coolbeans · 17-11-2018 3:49pm

bubblypop wrote: »

And, what was that exactly?
I mean people seem to jump on the hero bandwagon a bit too eagerly.
Yes the man had a hard time, his superiors treated him badly.
But what did he do to make him a hero?

He told the world that superintendents were cancelling tickets for friends & acquaintances, but why would the whole country think that made him a hero? Since when did the majority of public think tickets were so important? The amount of posts I see in here where people complain about gardai doing check points or seizing vehicles etc.....

Yes, it was right to show wrong doing, there should have been a better reaction by garda management. But, a hero? Seems a bit much.

...and this is what we're up against. No wonder standards in public life are so low.

You fail completely to show any empathy for him and the fact that most would not have stood up at all thereby letting let the cancer fester. Of course he's a hero. Your attitude enables corruption.

Alf Veedersane · 17-11-2018 4:35pm

bubblypop wrote: »

And, what was that exactly?
I mean people seem to jump on the hero bandwagon a bit too eagerly.
Yes the man had a hard time, his superiors treated him badly.
But what did he do to make him a hero?

He told the world that superintendents were cancelling tickets for friends & acquaintances, but why would the whole country think that made him a hero? Since when did the majority of public think tickets were so important? The amount of posts I see in here where people complain about gardai doing check points or seizing vehicles etc.....

Yes, it was right to show wrong doing, there should have been a better reaction by garda management. But, a hero? Seems a bit much.

He didn't just report abuse of Pulse.

That wasnt what precipitated the vile pictures and comments on social media; the disgusting attempt to accuse him of child molesting (aside from Tusla, Callinan referring to him and saying he 'fiddles with kids'); the comments about his marriage.

It began with reporting of guards turning up at the scene of a suicide drunk, interfering with it and having driven to and from there while under the influence.

This was what began the disgusting behaviour from some rank and file and the people at the top. Yet he stood up to it because he had the courage of his convictions.

Holding members of the AGS to the standard they should be held to is a pretty noble thing to do even if its not popular, given how well it was received.

You don't think 'hero' is appropriate, which is fine. But don't misrepresent it as being nothing more than objecting to tickets being cancelled.

RustyNut · 17-11-2018 7:34pm

blanch152 wrote: »

A couple of facts.

Two other whistleblowers - Harrison and Taylor - have been completely discredited by the Tribunals.

In McCabe's case, while most of what he claimed was upheld, some was found to be exaggerated by the Tribunal.

So two and a bit out of three were wrong. Whistleblowing has some way to go before it is proven.

Or maybe it shows that the Garda tactic of discredting anyone who speaks out about the organisation works successfully in two and a bit times out of three. Let's face it they have form for that sort of thing.

According to Judge Peter Smithwick,

Judge Peter Smithwick has unleashed a blistering attack on the Garda - accusing it of prizing loyalty over honesty.

The tribunal chairman said he was depressed and disheartened that a culture still exists in the force where its reputation takes priority over everything else.

"Loyalty is prized above honesty," he said.

Judge Smithwick said the Garda Commissioner's lawyers set out to cast doubt over Mr Curran's credibility "on the basis that the Garda Commissioner did not like what Mr Curran had to say."

The tribunal chairman said the legal team were there to protect all ranks of the force, but they did not give any advice or protection to Mr Curran.

"I would have thought he is as deserving of the support of the Garda Commissioner as any other former officer," he states.

"However, it seems to me that because he was giving evidence of which An Garda Siochana did not approve, such support was not forthcoming."

Sound familiar?

lillycakes2 · 17-11-2018 9:45pm

Such a powerful documentary. Cant believe how much he was bullied.It opens up your eyes to how horrible people can be ! I hope all those nasty people got punished for tormenting him and his family for so long, and how that garda commissioner gets to enjoy his pension after his rotten corrpuption is beyond me.

This documentary would put off anyone blowing the whistle in their workplace which is very sad. Not many people would or could put themselves through that. He was right and very brave , but a lot of people wont want to go through that !

orourkeda1977 · 17-11-2018 9:49pm

Next time you have the bad luck to have to deal with a member of An Garda Siochana, just bear in mind that you are now dealing with Ireland's premier law enforcement professional.

Or in reality bear in mind that this could be a narrow minded juvenile culchie on a power trip who'll destroy a colleague of their for doing the right thing.

orourkeda1977 · 17-11-2018 9:52pm

The thing I love about Irish people (people in general for that matter) is how, when a person needs a friend the most you're on your own, but when you are exonerated people will be all lovey dovey to your face.

Makes me vomit.

tayto lover · 17-11-2018 10:06pm

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

The thing I love about Irish people (people in general for that matter) is how, when a person needs a friend the most you're on your own, but when you are exonerated people will be all lovey dovey to your face.

Makes me vomit.

The vast vast majority of people are sound.
There is no difference in people now than there has ever been.
There will always be bad apples in every walk of life but the nice people make life worthwhile.

Seth Brundle · 17-11-2018 10:26pm

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Or in reality bear in mind that this could be a narrow minded juvenile culchie on a power trip who'll destroy a colleague of their for doing the right thing.

So its only "culchies" who did the wrong thing? When thinking your response, bear in mind that Calinan is from Dublin.
Also, I doubt any of them were in any way juvenile!

17-11-2018 10:56pm

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Next time you have the bad luck to have to deal with a member of An Garda Siochana, just bear in mind that you are now dealing with Ireland's premier law enforcement professional.

Or in reality bear in mind that this could be a narrow minded juvenile culchie on a power trip who'll destroy a colleague of their for doing the right thing.

Or maybe, Just consider that it's just an ordinary garda trying to do his job, without smart arse comments about mccabe etc etc
Why is it that the whole country thinks every garda was involved in some kind of campaign against mccabe. There are thousands of gardai doing their job, correctly.

Alf Veedersane · 17-11-2018 11:00pm

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Next time you have the bad luck to have to deal with a member of An Garda Siochana, just bear in mind that you are now dealing with Ireland's premier law enforcement professional.

Or in reality bear in mind that this could be a narrow minded juvenile culchie on a power trip who'll destroy a colleague of their for doing the right thing.

There are 13,000 gardaí in Ireland. The vast majority going a thankless job well. A thankless job most of us wouldn't do.

So less generalisation. I'm all for weeding out the unsavoury elements of the rank and file and at the top but sweeping generalisations do no one any favours.

hatrickpatrick · 17-11-2018 11:07pm

tayto lover wrote: »

The vast vast majority of people are sound.
There is no difference in people now than there has ever been.
There will always be bad apples in every walk of life but the nice people make life worthwhile.

The vast majority of people are sound. The vast majority of people in power tend not to be. It's like Douglas Adams famously said - the kind of people who want power and are most capable of being appointed to it, are the last people you actually want to have doing those jobs.

Our society is still structured in a way that being a complete asshole can be an asset in rising to the top. We need to restructure that if we want to break this cycle - IE, we need to introduce legislation making this kind of conspiracy a no-nonsense criminal offence, put people on trial and send them to jail for a few years if they get convicted. The message from all this is that even when you're found by an enquiry to have committed the most egregious wrongdoing, nothing actually happens to you except for everyone calling you a dick. People need to be punished for behaving like dicks. It's that simple. People should lose something or suffer some kind of negative consequence when they behave like this, beyond just having everyone say "that guy is a dick". Callinan would, in a society which deals with these things properly, be facing financial ruin due to punitive damages payouts, or prosecution and jail time as a result of this tribunal's findings. And I mean him personally. This whole "it's the office who is held responsible" thing is like Corporate Personhood - it allows individual scumbags to shield themselves from justice.

givyjoe · 17-11-2018 11:08pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Or maybe, Just consider that it's just an ordinary garda trying to do his job, without smart arse comments about mccabe etc etc
Why is it that the whole country thinks every garda was involved in some kind of campaign against mccabe. There are thousands of gardai doing their job, correctly.

Not if your attitude to McCabe is anything to go by.

17-11-2018 11:30pm

givyjoe wrote: »

Not if your attitude to McCabe is anything to go by.

You don't know me, or anything about me nor my work.
I think it's funny the whole country backs mccabe, then treats every other Garda the same.
If one man could be right & correct, then why presume all the other 12/13 thousand are wrong ones? & automatically treat them like they are?
Remember there are plenty just trying to do their job.

Alf Veedersane · 17-11-2018 11:47pm

bubblypop wrote: »

If one man could be right & correct, then why presume all the other 12/13 thousand are wrong ones? & automatically treat them like they are?
Remember there are plenty just trying to do their job.

What Maurice McCabe brought to the surface was something that needs to be addressed. From the bottom up.

That doesn't mean every guard should be considered to be of dubious character from the off.

But this whole sorry situation has shone a light o something that needs to be weeded out of AGS.

Mrsmum · 18-11-2018 12:29am

bubblypop wrote: »

Or maybe, Just consider that it's just an ordinary garda trying to do his job, without smart arse comments about mccabe etc etc
Why is it that the whole country thinks every garda was involved in some kind of campaign against mccabe. There are thousands of gardai doing their job, correctly.

I don't think anyone, well not most people anyway, believe that all guards are corrupt and up to no good but the whole Maurice McCabe debacle is a big deal and people all over the country have had a bit of an eyeopener. You seem to want to sweep the dirt under the carpet but if you do that you can pretend all you like that the dirt isn't there but it just is. The whole Maurice McCabe sorry story exposed some awful behaviours within AGS and furthermore that the culture within AGS is not to deal with the wrongdoing but to deal with the person who reveals the wrongdoing. You speak of good gardaí of which I'm sure there are thousands but McCabe was also one of the good gardaí. Funny I get the impression he isn't though in the minds of the boys and girls in blue. Why is he not ? That's the problem. It would be refreshing to hear a guard on here saying they were shocked and horrified about what happened to McCabe as well as the exposed wrongdoings. When they don't, indeed try to defend and minimise what happened, one kinda wonders if they are untroubled by misconduct among their ranks and perhaps think themselves a bit above the law.

18-11-2018 12:38am

No, the issue now is that Gardai feel they are all being tarnished with the one brush.
IMO most gardai joined the force to do good, it's nearly a running joke now.... Yea they joined to make a difference & then realised after a few years that they don't & won't.
No-one I know has any issue with mccabe highlighting the wrongs. Majority of members so this all the time.
Hopefully, what this whole saga will do, is give individual members somewhere to go to bring these issues up, without having to go the route of talking to individual TDs.
There should be mechanisms in place for this to happen outside the rank structure, & hopefully this will happen.

archer22 · 18-11-2018 12:48am

bubblypop wrote: »

No, the issue now is that Gardai feel they are all being tarnished with the one brush.
IMO most gardai joined the force to do good, it's nearly a running joke now.... Yea they joined to make a difference & then realised after a few years that they don't & won't.
No-one I know has any issue with mccabe highlighting the wrongs. Majority of members so this all the time.
Hopefully, what this whole saga will do, is give individual members somewhere to go to bring these issues up, without having to go the route of talking to individual TDs.
There should be mechanisms in place for this to happen outside the rank structure, & hopefully this will happen.

Nice words...but why didn't the Garda organisations give support to McCabe.

Indeed why weren't all those so called good Guards out protesting about the treatment he was getting.

They have no problem protesting when its for more pay.

Alf Veedersane · 18-11-2018 12:52am

archer22 wrote: »

Nice words...but why didn't the Garda organisations give support to McCabe.

Indeed why weren't all those so called good Guards out protesting about the treatment he was getting.

They have no problem protesting when its for more pay.

To be fair, maybe they didn't know what had happened any more than most of the rest of us

tuxy · 18-11-2018 12:52am

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Or in reality bear in mind that this could be a narrow minded juvenile culchie on a power trip who'll destroy a colleague of their for doing the right thing.

So the problem is culchie's and people like Martin Callinan and Nóirín O'Sullivan from Dublin play no part and are of a completely different mindset?

archer22 · 18-11-2018 12:56am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

To be fair, maybe they didn't know what had happened any more than most of the rest of us

They knew enough to blank him and isolate him.

Mrsmum · 18-11-2018 1:21am

bubblypop wrote: »

No, the issue now is that Gardai feel they are all being tarnished with the one brush.
IMO most gardai joined the force to do good, it's nearly a running joke now.... Yea they joined to make a difference & then realised after a few years that they don't & won't.
No-one I know has any issue with mccabe highlighting the wrongs. Majority of members so this all the time.
Hopefully, what this whole saga will do, is give individual members somewhere to go to bring these issues up, without having to go the route of talking to individual TDs.
There should be mechanisms in place for this to happen outside the rank structure, & hopefully this will happen.

If it's any consolation good guards make a massive positive difference.

givyjoe · 18-11-2018 1:28am

Mrsmum wrote: »

I don't think anyone, well not most people anyway, believe that all guards are corrupt and up to no good but the whole Maurice McCabe debacle is a big deal and people all over the country have had a bit of an eyeopener. You seem to want to sweep the dirt under the carpet but if you do that you can pretend all you like that the dirt isn't there but it just is. The whole Maurice McCabe sorry story exposed some awful behaviours within AGS and furthermore that the culture within AGS is not to deal with the wrongdoing but to deal with the person who reveals the wrongdoing. You speak of good gardaí of which I'm sure there are thousands but McCabe was also one of the good gardaí. Funny I get the impression he isn't though in the minds of the boys and girls in blue. Why is he not ? That's the problem. It would be refreshing to hear a guard on here saying they were shocked and horrified about what happened to McCabe as well as the exposed wrongdoings. When they don't, indeed try to defend and minimise what happened, one kinda wonders if they are untroubled by misconduct among their ranks and perhaps think themselves a bit above the law.

You won't hear any guard say that though will you, which says a whole lot about their toxic culture.

givyjoe · 18-11-2018 1:30am

bubblypop wrote: »

You don't know me, or anything about me nor my work.
I think it's funny the whole country backs mccabe, then treats every other Garda the same.
If one man could be right & correct, then why presume all the other 12/13 thousand are wrong ones? & automatically treat them like they are?
Remember there are plenty just trying to do their job.

I've seen enough of your comments on McCabe to be fair. They don't flatter you.

AllForIt · 18-11-2018 1:32am

bubblypop wrote: »

No, the issue now is that Gardai feel they are all being tarnished with the one brush.

The worlds most popular worst argument against anything ever.

mattser · 18-11-2018 2:08am

AllForIt wrote: »

bubblypop wrote: »

No, the issue now is that Gardai feel they are all being tarnished with the one brush.

The worlds most popular worst argument against anything ever.

Any chance you can enlighten us about what you are saying ?

Edward M · 18-11-2018 10:46am

5 million is the figure being bandied about this morning that McCabe is to be offered.
Would be a good settlement now.

Edward M · 18-11-2018 10:53am

bubblypop wrote: »

No, the issue now is that Gardai feel they are all being tarnished with the one brush.
IMO most gardai joined the force to do good, it's nearly a running joke now.... Yea they joined to make a difference & then realised after a few years that they don't & won't.
No-one I know has any issue with mccabe highlighting the wrongs. Majority of members so this all the time.
Hopefully, what this whole saga will do, is give individual members somewhere to go to bring these issues up, without having to go the route of talking to individual TDs.
There should be mechanisms in place for this to happen outside the rank structure, & hopefully this will happen.

I remember the words of Bob Geldoffs song, "banana Republic", check out the chorus.
I remember the cc after the sex abuse scandal broke too, they didn't want all priests tarnished with the one brush either, but there turned out to be quite a few, trust went downhill big time there and for good reason.
Ironic in a way too as to what was used to try to tarnish McCabe?

AndrewJRenko · 18-11-2018 1:31pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

There are 13,000 gardaí in Ireland. The vast majority going a thankless job well. A thankless job most of us wouldn't do.

So less generalisation. I'm all for weeding out the unsavoury elements of the rank and file and at the top but sweeping generalisations do no one any favours.

The penalty points and breath testing scandals indicate that the problem is more than just a few bad apples.

Sycamore Tree · 18-11-2018 1:36pm

Edward M wrote: »

I remember the words of Bob Geldoffs song, "banana Republic", check out the chorus.
I remember the cc after the sex abuse scandal broke too, they didn't want all priests tarnished with the one brush either, but there turned out to be quite a few, trust went downhill big time there and for good reason.
Ironic in a way too as to what was used to try to tarnish McCabe?

The few bad apples in relation to the priests raping children was even more disgusting when you consider all the other "good" priests and bishops that facilitated that child abuse by silence, cover-up and/or moving the predators to new parishes. The same has happened in the Gardaí in relation to the culture of silence and cover-up and destroying the messenger. Can you imagine the number of documents shredded and emails deleted in addition to the hidden mobile phones.

Mrsmum · 18-11-2018 3:02pm

bubblypop wrote: »

No, the issue now is that Gardai feel they are all being tarnished with the one brush.
IMO most gardai joined the force to do good, it's nearly a running joke now.... Yea they joined to make a difference & then realised after a few years that they don't & won't.
No-one I know has any issue with mccabe highlighting the wrongs. Majority of members so this all the time.
Hopefully, what this whole saga will do, is give individual members somewhere to go to bring these issues up, without having to go the route of talking to individual TDs.
There should be mechanisms in place for this to happen outside the rank structure, & hopefully this will happen.

Do you not think though some of this taring all with the same brush above is down to the mentality the guards have about themselves that you condemn one guard, you condemn us all which imho means the good will cover for the bad. Isn't that what tribunals have found again and again that allegiance to the force comes before all else. There seems to be a blind devotion to the position of being a member as opposed to a civvy and I would imagine that is why McCabe is hated so much, that he broke the this so called code of honour. This is also what happens in dysfunctional families where co dependency allows denial and cover up of wrongdoing and an unhealthy atmosphere where people do not thrive. Loyalty is a good trait but not at all costs and not when the good are supposed to implicate themselves in the bad under a one for all and all for one umbrella. I'm not so sure it's the public that treats you all as one so much as yourselves doing it. Most people imo show great respect for the guard in front of them doing a good job.

Graces7 · 18-11-2018 3:06pm

Just seen this

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/exclusive-maurice-mccabe-receive-5million-13607343

apologies if this is old news... new to me

AmberGold · 18-11-2018 3:26pm

Well deserved.

sligojoek · 18-11-2018 3:29pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Just seen this

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/exclusive-maurice-mccabe-receive-5million-13607343

apologies if this is old news... new to me

Legal sources revealed.
The Mirror understands.

Pinch of salt.

davidmarsh · 18-11-2018 5:18pm

Add up what they've paid Callinan and O'Sullivan so far, add in what they're likely to pay them in retirement. Then double it.

Then you're close to what he should be getting.

Whistleblower: Maurice McCabe

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