Should another Garda Commissioner resign?

Floppybits · 02-11-2018 05:19PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Floppybits wrote: »

I think the treatment of McCabe by ordinary Gardai, Garda Management and even the lack of support from the Garda unions will make other potential whistleblowers think twice before putting their heads above the parapet. So many of the people involved in the McCabe debacle have walked away scot free, just look at the 2 guards who attempted to stitch him up when they interviewed him and only for McCabe recording the meeting they would have been successful in the stitch up. Nothing has ever happened those Gardai, they should have been sacked for what they attempted to do.

You would want to get your facts straight before you start making accusations against those two gardai.
Have you learned nothing from this whole affair?

Here is a report from the Irish times talking about Gardai who were ready to perjure themselves at the O'Higgins inquiry until McCabe produced a tape. This is why I was asking did anything happen to these Gardai?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/allegations-over-mccabe-s-taped-meeting-with-garda%C3%AD-arose-from-inaccuracy-1.3350330

KaneToad · 02-11-2018 05:27PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Here is a report from the Irish times talking about Gardai who were ready to perjure themselves at the O'Higgins inquiry until McCabe produced a tape. This is why I was asking did anything happen to these Gardai?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/allegations-over-mccabe-s-taped-meeting-with-garda%C3%AD-arose-from-inaccuracy-1.3350330

Maybe if you read the article that you linked to, you might be better informed. Those guards you refer to have no case to answer, as outlined by tribunal judge.

Floppybits · 02-11-2018 05:31PM

KaneToad wrote: »

Floppybits wrote: »

Here is a report from the Irish times talking about Gardai who were ready to perjure themselves at the O'Higgins inquiry until McCabe produced a tape. This is why I was asking did anything happen to these Gardai?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/allegations-over-mccabe-s-taped-meeting-with-garda%C3%AD-arose-from-inaccuracy-1.3350330

Maybe if you read the article that you linked to, you might be better informed. Those guards you refer to have no case to answer, as outlined by tribunal judge.

Grand thanks for that, you are a superior being.

Frunchy · 02-11-2018 05:42PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

She is doing a good job so no.

How did that work out?

blanch152 · 06-11-2018 11:51AM

Floppybits wrote: »

Grand thanks for that, you are a superior being.

I think that it is amazing that there are posters ignoring the findings of the Tribunals. At the end of the day, two of the three whistleblowers were completely dismissed, and some of the accusations of the third were also dismissed. An awful lot of people were unfairly accused and subject to trial be media.

There is a lesson to be learned from all of that.

Whistleblowers have an important role to play. As such, their allegations need to be investigated. However, they often aren't in possession of the full facts, they may have agendas, and they may be making things up. Whether this should play out in public or not is a good question, given how many of the allegations were dismissed by the Tribunal.

It is certainly time for some of those who made political capital out of false allegations reflected more carefully on their part in all of this.

Edward M · 12-11-2018 08:35PM

I wonder how this will play out?
I hope they make him pay for his own defense.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-commissioner-seeks-to-reverse-callinan-s-legal-funding-1.3694024?mode=amp

James Brown · 12-11-2018 08:46PM

Edward M wrote: »

I wonder how this will play out?
I hope they make him pay for his own defense.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-commissioner-seeks-to-reverse-callinan-s-legal-funding-1.3694024?mode=amp

Only fair. If he wins he can recoup. His pension should be on the line.

Edward M · 12-11-2018 11:36PM

Just watched the first part of the McCabe documentary on RTE.
This is harrowing stuff.

McMurphy · 13-11-2018 04:00PM

Edward M wrote: »

Just watched the first part of the McCabe documentary on RTE.
This is harrowing stuff.

Never seen it myself, but the lads in after hours are up in arms about it. Something about off duty guards turning up at the scene of a suicide.

Locked.

In an unmarked car.

Apparently this is what started the whole thing, and it escalated from that.

Jesus.

Floppybits · 13-11-2018 04:30PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Never seen it myself, but the lads in after hours are up in arms about it. Something about off duty guards turning up at the scene of a suicide.

Locked.

In an unmarked car.

Apparently this is what started the whole thing, and it escalated from that.

Jesus.

Don't forget that one of the Gardai that turned up at the suicide drunk is also the father of Miss D who made the sexual assault allegation against McCabe, which was the file that the copy and paste error was made by Tusla.

Now all these are totally unconnected.

James Brown · 13-11-2018 05:13PM

Yeah, I still can't buy into that 'error'.

13-11-2018 07:20PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Don't forget that one of the Gardai that turned up at the suicide drunk is also the father of Miss D who made the sexual assault allegation against McCabe, which was the file that the copy and paste error was made by Tusla.

Now all these are totally unconnected.

I wish people would leave that girl alone. She made a complaint.
Just because the DPP didn't direct any charges, does not mean the girl was lying .there was no evidence of a criminal offence & no charges were brought. McCabe is innocent. But it does not mean that anyone lied.
I wish the public would just leave the girl out of it.

James Brown · 13-11-2018 07:27PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I wish people would leave that girl alone. She made a complaint.
Just because the DPP didn't direct any charges, does not mean the girl was lying .there was no evidence of a criminal offence & no charges were brought. McCabe is innocent. But it does not mean that anyone lied.
I wish the public would just leave the girl out of it.

I would not see it as an attack on the girl.
It's about the error in the Tulsa report, the circumstances and the players. The girls reputation has not even come up.

blanch152 · 13-11-2018 07:29PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I would not see it as an attack on the girl.
It's about the error in the Tulsa report, the circumstances and the players. The girls reputation has not even come up.

I fully accept you are not overtly blaming the girl.

Nevertheless, by alleging some huge conspiracy between all and sundry, you are rejecting the Tribunal findings.

Water John · 13-11-2018 10:14PM

The notion that three guards would turn up intoxicated in a unmarked car is bizarre. That looks like they were drinking on duty. How a Supt tolerated that is beyond me.

Edward M · 13-11-2018 10:32PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I wish people would leave that girl alone. She made a complaint.
Just because the DPP didn't direct any charges, does not mean the girl was lying .there was no evidence of a criminal offence & no charges were brought. McCabe is innocent. But it does not mean that anyone lied.
I wish the public would just leave the girl out of it.

That's an accusory post in itself too.
If McCabe is innocent then somebody's lying.

Esel · 13-11-2018 11:09PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I wish people would leave that girl alone. She made a complaint.
Just because the DPP didn't direct any charges, does not mean the girl was lying .there was no evidence of a criminal offence & no charges were brought. McCabe is innocent. But it does not mean that anyone lied.
I wish the public would just leave the girl out of it.

Would it be more correct to say that her parent(s) made the complaint on her behalf?

13-11-2018 11:18PM

Esel wrote: »

Would it be more correct to say that her parent(s) made the complaint on her behalf?

No.
She made a complaint for her own reasons.
Nothing to do with her parents

13-11-2018 11:20PM

Edward M wrote: »

That's an accusory post in itself too.
If McCabe is innocent then somebody's lying.

No it's not accusory at all. Lots of statements are made to gardai about lots of matters.
The dpp makes a decision on whether they think there is enough evidence to charge someone & bring the case to court.
That doesn't mean anyone was lying.
And it doesn't mean anyone is guilty of anything, if they ate not charged then they are innocent.

13-11-2018 11:24PM

Water John wrote: »

The notion that three guards would turn up intoxicated in a unmarked car is bizarre. That looks like they were drinking on duty. How a Supt tolerated that is beyond me.

I think we are all aware of how AGS was in past years.
Many of us saw local gardai drinking on duty, especially in the country.
Thankfully, things are changing to a more professional approach.
Do we know that the gardai that showed up to the suicide were actually on duty?

Edward M · 13-11-2018 11:48PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I think we are all aware of how AGS was in past years.
Many of us saw local gardai drinking on duty, especially in the country.
Thankfully, things are changing to a more professional approach.
Do we know that the gardai that showed up to the suicide were actually on duty?

Well we know who to thank for that.

Water John · 14-11-2018 12:11AM

They were travelling in an unmarked Garda car.

14-11-2018 12:13AM

Water John wrote: »

They were travelling in an unmarked Garda car.

I appreciate that, but that's not to say they were actually on duty.
Now, I don't know, I'm not saying they were or were not. I'm only asking the question.
Just wonderings

Seth Brundle · 14-11-2018 12:43AM

bubblypop wrote: »

I appreciate that, but that's not to say they were actually on duty.
Now, I don't know, I'm not saying they were or were not. I'm only asking the question.
Just wonderings

You suggesting that the gardai stole a garda car whilst drunk?

14-11-2018 12:43AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

You suggesting that they stole the car whilst drunk?

They may have unauthorisedly used the vehicle. I don't know.
Either way, totally wrong & unprofessional

blanch152 · 14-11-2018 01:45AM

Edward M wrote: »

That's an accusory post in itself too.
If McCabe is innocent then somebody's lying.

Not necessarily.

Without expressing an opinion on who is right or wrong, I would point out that inappropriate behaviour is not necessarily criminal.

A girl reported what happened to her. The DPP decided that the evidence didn't suggest that a crime had been committed. That leaves a number of possibilities

(1) The girl was lying.
(2) The alleged behaviour fell short of a crime but was inappropriate
(3) The girl misinterpreted what happened.
(4) The incident was just playacting.

I am sure there are a number of other possible explanations, but of the above 4 possible explanations, only 1 suggests there was lies.

smurgen · 14-11-2018 01:52PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Edward M wrote: »

That's an accusory post in itself too.
If McCabe is innocent then somebody's lying.

Not necessarily.

Without expressing an opinion on who is right or wrong, I would point out that inappropriate behaviour is not necessarily criminal.

A girl reported what happened to her. The DPP decided that the evidence didn't suggest that a crime had been committed. That leaves a number of possibilities

(1) The girl was lying.
(2) The alleged behaviour fell short of a crime but was inappropriate
(3) The girl misinterpreted what happened.
(4) The incident was just playacting.

I am sure there are a number of other possible explanations, but of the above 4 possible explanations, only 1 suggests there was lies.

I think the girl was lying is the most likely given the amount of attacks mccabe received by the gardai.i also would like to know how martin callinhan knew of the tusla file when it was just created.i think all of this needs to be brought into the open to try to rescue the reputation of the gardai.i think people in this country have had enough of bent coppers.

James Brown · 14-11-2018 03:00PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I think we are all aware of how AGS was in past years.
Many of us saw local gardai drinking on duty, especially in the country.
Thankfully, things are changing to a more professional approach.
Do we know that the gardai that showed up to the suicide were actually on duty?

So they were either drinking on duty and turned up drunk to a sensitive situation.
Or, they were off duty, drunk and turned up to a sensitive situation while having no reason to be there.

Whether Ms. D was lying or genuine but mistaken, does not take away from the Tulsa "error" and it being used to smear McCabe.

14-11-2018 03:08PM

smurgen wrote: »

I think the girl was lying is the most likely given the amount of attacks mccabe received by the gardai.

No, it's not likely at all.

smurgen · 14-11-2018 04:25PM

bubblypop wrote: »

smurgen wrote: »

I think the girl was lying is the most likely given the amount of attacks mccabe received by the gardai.

No, it's not likely at all.

I disagree and i think the public reckon the entire acusation is a fabrication.

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