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Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

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    #722
    superhooper
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭superhooper


    Without CP don't think I'll ever get to walk/cycle across this Chetwynd-Viaduct.JPG

    Seems like a tall order but a would be nice to see another large urban area directly link in with a greenway without having to get in the car. Several viaduct and tunnels along this track to Kinsale or Bandon on what is already a popular but risky cycle route.

    I wonder who is responsible for these viaducts now?


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    #723
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    superhooper wrote: »
    Seems like a tall order but a would be nice to see another large urban area directly link in with a greenway without having to get in the car.

    The Nine Arches viaduct in Milltown in Dublin is on the Harcourt street line, closed in the 1950s. When they came to run the Luas Green line over it 50 years later, they did a survey to see what work was needed to make it safe.

    Answer: none.

    Mind you, that's entirely stone. The Chetwynd viaduct has lots of iron, and the decking has been removed.


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    #724
    Muckyboots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Muckyboots


    They said it couldn't be done - Waterford Greenway crosses country boundaries into Kilkenny and Wexford.
    https://consult.kilkenny.ie/en/consultation/waterford-newross-greenway-aylwardstown


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    #725
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Another article about the Navan/Kingscourt greenway

    https://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2018/10/03/4162880-could-navankingscourt-greenway-attract-150000-visitors-a-year/


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    #726
    MJohnston
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    €10m for greenway development in the budget today, apparently.


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    #727
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    MJohnston wrote: »
    €10m for greenway development in the budget today, apparently.

    Sniff. Needs a multiple of that.


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    #728
    Corca Baiscinn
    Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Corca Baiscinn


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Sniff. Needs a multiple of that.

    Well it is on top of the €53 million already allocated but agree, still wont meet the demand. Think Greenways have taken on a momentum now though and will progress though maybe not quickly enough. They come under both Tourism and Rural Recreation Schemes so will be expected to make a rapid return on investment and as such can be seen as a vote winner at minimal cost win for whichever gov supports them


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    #729
    Muckyboots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Muckyboots


    https://galwaybayfm.ie/county-council-to-seek-funding-for-quiet-man-greenway-feasibility-study/
    Athenry-Tuam-Milltown. Tiny weeny baby step...but a step all the same.


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    #730
    Dick Turnip
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Dick Turnip


    Is there anywhere with a map showing all greenways in the country?


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    #731
    JohnC.
    Registered Users Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Dick Turnip wrote: »
    Is there anywhere with a map showing all greenways in the country?

    riddlinrussel, of this thread, is keeping a map here


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    #732
    riddlinrussell
    Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Dick Turnip wrote: »
    Is there anywhere with a map showing all greenways in the country?

    I have one I maintain myself, can't guarantee it is 100% up to date but it gives a rough overview at least. It's viewable from the link in my flair.


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    #733
    [Deleted User]
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    riddlinrussell wrote: »
    I have one I maintain myself, can't guarantee it is 100% up to date but it gives a rough overview at least. It's viewable from the link in my flair.

    Flair?


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    #734
    Grassey
    Registered Users Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    A reddit thing?

    Link is in his signature if you click into his profile.


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    #735
    riddlinrussell
    Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Grassey wrote: »
    A reddit thing?

    Link is in his signature if you click into his profile.

    Never heard of it being a reddit thing... Yes its in my signature. You can also find it here.


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    #736
    riddlinrussell
    Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Minor map update, found an article regarding the Strabane-Lifford Greenway that contained a map of the planned route so I updated it, its on the map as the "Three Bridges Greenway" (NIGreenways Moniker for the route).

    Article Linked Here

    If you have any news on updates to greenways, especially published plans, council announcements and work actually commencing please let me know!


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    #737
    Decoda
    Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Decoda


    Wexford to Curracloe Greenway refused planning permission by An Bord

    https://beat102103.com/news/plans-for-a-wexford-greenway-are-refused-by-an-bord-pleanala/

    22 October 2018
    Wexford County Council has received notice of the decision of An Bord Pleanala to refuse permission for the proposed pedestrian and cycling greenway between Wexford and Curracloe.

    The proposed facility consists of 10.7km of a shared cycling and walking greenway and a further 4.9 km of local looped trails and would have linked the centre of Wexford Town with the popular amenity areas at Curracloe Beach and the Raven. It is one of four high-quality greenways proposed by Wexford County Council to be constructed over the next five years as the Council seek to cater for the growing demand from locals and visitors for such amenities.

    An Bord Planeala received a number of submissions on the proposal, some of which were in favour of the development and some of which objected to the development for various reasons. While discussions had been held with the National Parks & Wildlife Service during the design of the Greenway, their submission raised concerns about the impact of the proposed development on the Raven Point Nature Reserve Special Area of Conservation and Wexford Harbour and Slobs Special Protection Area. In its refusal decision, An Bord Pleanala has cited these possible adverse effects of the proposed development, adding that the proposed Greenway “would be detrimental to the attractive and sensitive landscape and visual amenities of the area”.

    In its application the Council recognised and sought to protect the sensitive nature of the landscape in which this Greenway is to take place. The Council’s comprehensive planning application was informed by advice from recognised experts in the area of wildlife conservation and protection and specifically included a series of detailed and wide-ranging measures designed to mitigate any possible adverse effects the development might have on the surrounding areas. Therefore Wexford County Council is very disappointed with the decision to refuse this development, despite the Boards acceptance of the principle that the development of a Greenway in this location would enhance leisure and recreational facilities in the area.

    The Council will examine in detail the decision of An Bord Pleanala prior to determining its next course of action in relation to the project.


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    #738
    serfboard
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    Decoda wrote: »
    the proposed Greenway “would be detrimental to the attractive and sensitive landscape and visual amenities of the area”.
    Seriously? A couple of meters wide Greenway would be "deterimental to the visual amenities of the area"? And how are people supposed to appreciate the "visual amenities of the area" without seeing it?!

    Unless of course, they're supposed to do so from the comfort of their cars ...


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    #739
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    serfboard wrote: »
    Seriously? A couple of meters wide Greenway would be "deterimental to the visual amenities of the area"? And how are people supposed to appreciate the "visual amenities of the area" without seeing it?!

    Unless of course, they're supposed to do so from the comfort of their cars ...

    Did you miss this bit? While discussions had been held with the National Parks & Wildlife Service during the design of the Greenway, their submission raised concerns about the impact of the proposed development on the Raven Point Nature Reserve Special Area of Conservation and Wexford Harbour and Slobs Special Protection Area. :rolleyes:

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    #740
    schemingbohemia
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭schemingbohemia


    serfboard wrote: »
    Seriously? A couple of meters wide Greenway would be "deterimental to the visual amenities of the area"? And how are people supposed to appreciate the "visual amenities of the area" without seeing it?!

    Unless of course, they're supposed to do so from the comfort of their cars ...
    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Did you miss this bit? While discussions had been held with the National Parks & Wildlife Service during the design of the Greenway, their submission raised concerns about the impact of the proposed development on the Raven Point Nature Reserve Special Area of Conservation and Wexford Harbour and Slobs Special Protection Area. :rolleyes:

    The proposal was bananas, the plan to protect the SPA was to close the greenway for 3 months, never going to work. They obviously didn't consult with NPWS properly or ignored their comments.


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    #741
    riddlinrussell
    Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Moved the route back to 'Proposed', looks like there needs to be serious engagement with the environmental organizations in the area, any construction along there will have to pass some very major wildlife hurdles.


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    #742
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,613 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Anyone know how a greenway has impact on wildlife?(aside from the actual construction of it). Or what the actual concerns are regarding the conservation areas?


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    #743
    schemingbohemia
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭schemingbohemia


    With the Curracloe one there was an issue with Canadian geese I think that it's a major European nesting ground for them and that's why it would be closed to users when they're there.

    There are always "impacts" on the environment for any type of construction, it's the level of impact and what mitigation measures can be used to minimise the impact that is important.


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    #744
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    schemingbohemia wrote: »
    With the Curracloe one there was an issue with Canadian geese I think that it's a major European nesting ground for them and that's why it would be closed to users when they're there.

    There are always "impacts" on the environment for any type of construction, it's the level of impact and what mitigation measures can be used to minimise the impact that is important.

    Major wintering ground for Greenland white-fronted Geese and of international importance.

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    #745
    robp
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    I was gobsmacked at the plan to convert the western way into a green way in the Wild Nephin area. What a joke of environmental management. It is the only site like this in the whole country and they insist on commercialising it https://greennews.ie/is-wild-nephin-losing-its-wild-side/


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    #746
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    robp wrote: »
    I was gobsmacked at the plan to convert the western way into a green way in the Wild Nephin area. What a joke of environmental management. It is the only site like this in the whole country and they insist on commercialising it https://greennews.ie/is-wild-nephin-losing-its-wild-side/

    Everything in Ireland must be sacrificed for the great god of mammon. Access to everywhere for everybody - our local Norman castle now has a lift in it. :rolleyes:

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    #747
    schemingbohemia
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭schemingbohemia


    schemingbohemia wrote: »
    The proposal was bananas, the plan to protect the SPA was to close the greenway for 3 months, never going to work. They obviously didn't consult with NPWS properly or ignored their comments.

    Reading back on the documentation it was actually 7 months a section of it would be closed!


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    #748
    AndrewJRenko
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Access to everywhere for everybody - our local Norman castle now has a lift in it. :rolleyes:


    Just awful to think that wheelchair users, walking frame users, rollator users, parents with buggies and people who use crutches and walking sticks all can access the upper levels of the castle now.


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    #749
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Just awful to think that wheelchair users, walking frame users, rollator users, parents with buggies and people who use crutches and walking sticks all can access the upper levels of the castle now.

    I appreciate what you're saying but it's unrealistic to expect everywhere to be accessible to everybody nice and all as that might be. I wouldn't expect to be able to visit the top of Mt.Everest if I was in a wheelchair, on crutches or pushing a pram. Extreme I know but it's a valid point of view in my opinion.

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    #750
    [Deleted User]
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    I appreciate what you're saying but it's unrealistic to expect everywhere to be accessible to everybody nice and all as that might be. I wouldn't expect to be able to visit the top of Mt.Everest if I was in a wheelchair, on crutches or pushing a pram. Extreme I know but it's a valid point of view in my opinion.

    Yup, but where possible and practical, access should be extended by such measures as lifts, steps etc.

    One great example is the adding of steps to Croagh Patrick


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    #751
    schemingbohemia
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭schemingbohemia


    robp wrote: »
    I was gobsmacked at the plan to convert the western way into a green way in the Wild Nephin area. What a joke of environmental management. It is the only site like this in the whole country and they insist on commercialising it https://greennews.ie/is-wild-nephin-losing-its-wild-side/

    That article was very odd, wanting a wilderness implying non-intervention but also wanting the rhodedendrons removed, which is it they want?

    I don't think the proposed cycle track is going to involve massive construction, presume it will be mainly for mountain bikes, so similar to other Coillte paths and tracks. Ok it's not non-intervention but it's not exactly building a road through it.


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