Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

J Mysterio · 09-11-2018 12:38AM

Metro headline:

'RAAB: I DIDN'T THINK IT DOVER'.

Oh dear. A bad day for Raab and the government.

Tell me how · 09-11-2018 12:42AM

Mairead McGuinness speaking well on Brexit on BBC Question Time and telling some home truths but getting zero love from audience for doing so.

Dyr · 09-11-2018 12:57AM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

"People are bored" says the Tory Brexiteer.

Amazes me how people in NI can support a Union that treats their concerns with such indifference.

It's mad, mad stuff

If they think they're impatient now just wait until they're in queuing to buy food and medicine or to get off the Island.

FrancieBrady · 09-11-2018 01:01AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Mairead McGuinness speaking well on Brexit on BBC Question Time and telling some home truths but getting zero love from audience for doing so.

Far too polite and wanting to be liked. A decent politician would have put your man beside her, throwing eyes to heaven in his box.
She is totally on top of the brief but kinda failed to be profound enough about our issues with Brexit.

bilston · 09-11-2018 01:09AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Mairead McGuinness speaking well on Brexit on BBC Question Time and telling some home truths but getting zero love from audience for doing so.

Whatever about the response to her, that could hardly be described as a pro Brexit audience which seems to be the accusation on here if QT audiences in general.

Seth Brundle · 09-11-2018 01:10AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Far too polite and wanting to be liked. A decent politician would have put your man beside her, throwing eyes to heaven in his box.
She is totally on top of the brief but kinda failed to be profound enough about our issues with Brexit.

Woukd it have achieved anything ither than possibly getting the audience on the defensive?
If a British politician came over here and told us how we should do things would we be happy?

J Mysterio · 09-11-2018 01:12AM

Another ridiculous example of the Hostile Environment.

https://twitter.com/MazzucatoM/status/1060448125926735874

bilston · 09-11-2018 01:17AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Another ridiculous example of the Hostile Environment.

https://twitter.com/MazzucatoM/status/1060448125926735874

Hostile environment or a simple admin error...

FrancieBrady · 09-11-2018 01:21AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Woukd it have achieved anything ither than possibly getting the audience on the defensive?
If a British politician came over here and told us how we should do things would we be happy?

It's not about telling anyone 'how to do things'. It is about spelling out the utter disregard they are having for northern Ireland and Ireland. And I think she was weak on that. She tried the plamás. She allowed the guy beside her to handwave it away as scaremongering. Weak imo.

J Mysterio · 09-11-2018 01:21AM

bilston wrote: »

Hostile environment or a simple admin error...

Both?

Folkstonian · 09-11-2018 01:25AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Far too polite and wanting to be liked. A decent politician would have put your man beside her, throwing eyes to heaven in his box.
She is totally on top of the brief but kinda failed to be profound enough about our issues with Brexit.

I thought she spoke relatively well, although would have had more of an impact if she was far more concise. Bit unfair to put questions about violent crime in inner London to her. She didn’t really have anything perceptive or incisive to say there but why would she?

Being less polite as an MEP to the audience wouldn’t have achieved anything other than to supply ammunition to leave supporters of a bad or aggressive attitude in Brussels towards the U.K.

I think she came across well

Capt'n Midnight · 09-11-2018 01:27AM

The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men
Gang aft agley,

The legal challenge to the inevitability of Article 50 continues.

UK cannot stop article 50 case going to ECJ, says Scottish court

Scotland’s highest court has refused the UK government leave to appeal its referral of a case to the European court of justice that seeks to establish whether the UK can unilaterally stop Brexit. This paves the way for the case to be heard in Luxembourg later this month.

FrancieBrady · 09-11-2018 01:36AM

Folkstonian wrote: »

I thought she spoke relatively well, although would have had more of an impact if she was far more concise. Bit unfair to put questions about violent crime in inner London to her. She didn’t really have anything perceptive or incisive to say there but why would she?

Being less polite as an MEP to the audience wouldn’t have achieved anything other than to supply ammunition to leave supporters of a bad or aggressive attitude in Brussels towards the U.K.

I think she came across well

Ammunition to Leave supporters? They have been cheerfully making it from nothing for 2 years and more.

Spit it out Mairead, you are an Irish politician and MEP, you don't have to be nice and deferential. You can be the opposite and still be polite.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-11-2018 01:36AM

Looks like the DUP are gone.

Sammy Wilson accusing May of "total betrayal" tonight.

Capt'n Midnight · 09-11-2018 01:42AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Another ridiculous example of the Hostile Environment.

https://twitter.com/MazzucatoM/status/1060448125926735874

one of the comments was the GoHome Office.

On the opposite side of the house Labour aren't proving they can do a competent job in government.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/08/abbott_pc_support_scam_confession/

The UK Shadow Home Secretary admitted to handing over control of her computer to a stranger after a random caller asked her to install Remote PC.

I don't know if she had privileged access but it's scary to think what might have happened.

Peregrinus · 09-11-2018 02:09AM

bilston wrote: »

Hostile environment or a simple admin error...

Simple admin errors are part of the hostile environment. Govt offices dealing with non-citizens are under-resources, run down so that dealing with them becomes a constant purgatory.

prawnsambo · 09-11-2018 02:11AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

On the opposite side of the house Labour aren't proving they can do a competent job in government.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/08/abbott_pc_support_scam_confession/

I don't know if she had privileged access but it's scary to think what might have happened.

Amateur. He should have charged her for it.

RobMc59 · 09-11-2018 07:39AM

Bambi wrote: »

Mairead McGuinness wearing her poppy and Jordan Peterson, a Canadian Anglophile, missing one.

It's all gone a bit a weird.

If you don't mind me asking- what does that have to do with Brexit, I've noticed a few comments about the wearing or not wearing òf the poppy and am struggling to understand why it keeps being mentioned on here..

RobMc59 · 09-11-2018 08:05AM

Deedsie wrote: »

Is this your first November?

I asked what has the wearing of the poppy got to do with brexit?

ancapailldorcha · 09-11-2018 08:48AM

No more one liners please. Posts about a United Ireland should be taken to a new thread.

murphaph · 09-11-2018 08:49AM

RobMc59 wrote: »

I asked what has the wearing of the poppy got to do with brexit?

It's all linked into the psyche of Brexit, at least indirectly. Remembrance has morphed into a compulsory thing in GB. It's like if you aren't wearing a poppy you're an enemy of the people. Few on TV will dare appear without one. The tolerance and freedom that the men and women who died for especially during WWII is under threat in the UK today.

LeinsterDub · 09-11-2018 08:49AM

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1060784802213826560
As always Tony breaks down the latest developments. Essentially words have lost all meaning as May attempts to redefine the backstop

murphaph · 09-11-2018 08:54AM

Impossible to predict which way this is going to go. May is slightly unhinged IMO so I would not be relying on her to withdraw A50 rather than exit with no deal.

Mc Love · 09-11-2018 09:17AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1060784802213826560
As always Tony breaks down the latest developments. Essentially words have lost all meaning as May attempts to redefine the backstop

Read this, this morning, what a mess, Tony does a great job of explaining it though.

Who leaked the letter? It'd have to be DUP!

Enzokk · 09-11-2018 10:28AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

So that's not no a deal. It's a deal

Yes it is a deal they are talking about, the Withdrawal Agreement, being reached and then after that when the real talks start if there is no way to ensure there is no border between NI and Ireland then the backstop comes in.

Seems the DUP still really doesn't understand and that fact is not really surprising. What boggles the mind is that the smart people (supposedly) in the UK thought it would be a good idea to go into an agreement with the DUP.

Enzokk · 09-11-2018 10:41AM

Well this is a development,

https://twitter.com/SamuelMarcLowe/status/1060813708245561344

And in a follow up to that we have a tweet from the Europe Editor at The Telegraph,

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1060818248562814976

So the answer to Northern Ireland is to make is so complicated that no-one will be happy and no-one will be able to understand it. That can only go well in a area where there was a war less than 30 years ago.

lawred2 · 09-11-2018 10:41AM

murphaph wrote: »

It's all linked into the psyche of Brexit, at least indirectly. Remembrance has morphed into a compulsory thing in GB. It's like if you aren't wearing a poppy you're an enemy of the people. Few on TV will dare appear without one. The tolerance and freedom that the men and women who died for especially during WWII is under threat in the UK today.

hmmmm

That's a bit of a repainting of why Britain went to war. It was primarily an empire fearing the growth of a super power.

But then to the victors go the spoils and PR is definitely one of the spoils.

lawred2 · 09-11-2018 10:42AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1060784802213826560
As always Tony breaks down the latest developments. Essentially words have lost all meaning as May attempts to redefine the backstop

What has TM or anyone said that has triggered that?

Or is it more leaks..

Enzokk · 09-11-2018 10:44AM

lawred2 wrote: »

hmmmm

That's a bit of a repainting of why Britain went to war. It was primarily an empire fearing the growth of a super power.

But then to the victors go the spoils and PR is definitely one of the spoils.

If you take the poppy as a remembrance for WW1 only then you are right, but the post you quoted mentions WW2 and the UK was in no way an empire at that stage nor did it go to war to only stop another country becoming a super power.

Hurrache · 09-11-2018 10:45AM

lawred2 wrote: »

What has TM or anyone said that has triggered that?

Or is it more leaks..

It was a letter from May, you can read it on this tweet, with follow up below from the DUP.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1060668517454934016

https://twitter.com/duponline/status/1060792032770379781
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1060794623998738432

Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

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