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Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

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    #242
    omega man
    Registered Users Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭omega man


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Has Casey or any Caseyites got solutions to the obvious problems in the travelling community. Problems nobody is denying exist. Including tavellers representative groups themselves.

    Anyone got practical solutions?

    Out of curiosity, what are these problems (not of their own making)?


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    #243
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    Friday night is all the more absurd when you consider our taxes fund Pavee Point, Ryan Tubridy and Jennifer Maguires salaries, and the university fees of the travellers in the audience.

    Would really make you hop out of bed on a cold Monday morning.....:rolleyes:


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    #244
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    end of the road wrote: »




    he really isn't the messenger the rural community have been waiting for. he does not speak for the whole of the rural community. he speaks for some of it only and the votes reflect this.

    Peter Casey is the messiah we have been waiting for, the gospel is changing in relation to what we are forced to endure from travellers and our rights to tell it like it is to anyone who doesn't understand why our feelings towards them are as they are.
    They may well be a different culture, but a large element of them are thugs, thieves or intolerant hypocrites, that's my genuine opinion of them.
    I've experienced it from them and know many more who have too.


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    #245
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    end of the road wrote: »
    i just answered that. both the state and tenant pay.




    in that specific case yes, however it doesn't answer what i asked. perhapse you could answer the original question?



    they are obligated to do so, and if they don't the council has the ability to evict them. i'm aware the council will rarely take up the option to evict non-payers but the ability is there. what needs to happen is a deduction at source (wages/benefits) to deal with that issue.

    The thing is that people like yourself and Francie are actually totally detached from the reality of what happens on the ground and in reality

    It’s so easy to say that they should pay their rent and council should evict - the reality is that they don’t pay and don’t get evicted, on the contrary the council are sent in to renovate the wrecked houses and clean up the filthy halting sites at huge costs

    So you can blab on all you want about what “should” happen but the thing is people are sick and tired of what actually happens - in the real world


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    #246
    mfceiling
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What is Casey's education record because he doesn't strike me as very intellectually bright or articulate

    Is that a definition of hate speech?


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    #247
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    end of the road wrote: »
    i just answered that. both the state and tenant pay.
    .

    And where will the McCarthys and Caseys get their contribution?


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    #248
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    end of the road wrote: »
    i just answered that. both the state and tenant pay.
    .

    And where will the McCarthys and Caseys get their contribution?


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    #249
    AndyBoBandy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    MOD - Closing this thread as we've gone well north of 10k posts.

    A part 2 may or may not be opened tomorrow. Although most likely not as all that's needed to be said was said.

    I especially liked the bit about the migration habits of Southern Hemisphere Swallows.


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    #250
    Mr. CooL ICE
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    Mod: Reopened.





    May god have mercy on us all.


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    #251
    Discodog
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    I wonder if this thread would still be here if Casey hadn't made those comments. One can't deny that he has opened up debate.


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    #252
    [Deleted User]
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    Dole Scrounging Vegan Crossfitter wrote: »
    Mod: Reopened.





    May god have mercy on us all.

    Let us fight the good fight and let the best person win.


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    #253
    dav3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Well done lads, keeping your finger on the pulse of what Irish people want once again.


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    #254
    Plumbthedepths
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    dav3 wrote:
    Well done lads, keeping your finger on the pulse of what Irish people want once again.


    Sounds like you want the thread closed, why?


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    #255
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,157 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Look how that worked out. FF-FG practically merged and a motley crew of independents in a government that is hamstrung with fear of facing the electorate.

    Full employment Francis, that’s the main building block in position.

    The rest is work in progress, no trace of hamstringing there in my opinion.

    Check the surveys Francis, I think those who get up early are, while not entirely happy with the current set up, can see that if Murphy and Coppinger’s lot got a sniff of power they would quickly run the craft up onto the rocks and then walk back to their state jobs in Coppingers case.

    Middle Ireland is well clued in Francis,and all the shade you and your lot throw their way don’t amount to a hill of beans.

    But shure keep the keyboard banging away, keeps you folk happy I guess, while the rest of us get on with life paying our taxes and contributing.

    Hope the leg has fully recovered.


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    #256
    mattser
    Registered Users Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭mattser


    Dole Scrounging Vegan Crossfitter wrote: »
    Mod: Reopened.





    May god have mercy on us all.

    Creche reopened. Meanwhile the rest of us go to work.


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    #257
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Sounds like you want the thread closed, why?

    Oh I believe we can make an educated guess!!!!


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    #258
    Doctor Jimbob
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    Discodog wrote: »
    I wonder if this thread would still be here if Casey hadn't made those comments. One can't deny that he has opened up debate.

    Yes, before Peter Casey we never had threads complaining about travelers, the dole, or what our taxes are spent on. All hail Peter Casey, shining a light on topics no-one had ever considered discussing before.


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    #259
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    <snip, actually thats a bit too much .... (video of a traveller beating another traveller) its all over twitter I assume, nasty stuff...



    lovely people


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    #260
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Do you think its worth emailing our TDS to request that ethic status be removed from travellers. I believe it was unconstitutional to bestow this status in the first place as Bunreacht na HEireann guaranteed equal rights to everyone and this right should mean no ethnic status should be deserving of any special protection.

    We had a thread running for weeks and not one person, even Pavee Pointless defenders could give a coherent reason why some of our population should be deemed more important than others, we were asked what we thought before this status was granted so email your TDS now with your views.


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    #261
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    The hatchet job of an interview on the late late was the first issue discussed on 96fm this morning

    Consensus from the presenter and the caller was that Tubridy showed his bias, lost control and Tubridy wanted to take Casey down but didn't know how


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    #262
    KrustyUCC
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    tretorn wrote: »
    Do you think its worth emailing our TDS to request that ethic status be removed from travellers. I believe it was unconstitutional to bestow this status in the first place as Bunreacht na HEireann guaranteed equal rights to everyone and this right should mean no ethnic status should be deserving of any special protection.

    We had a thread running for weeks and not one person, even Pavee Pointless defenders could give a coherent reason why some of our population should be deemed more important than others, we were asked what we thought before this status was granted so email your TDS now with your views.

    I don't think any TD would stick their necks out on that issue only to be called a 'racist' and to be seen to be picking on a 'vulnerable minority'


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    #263
    tayto lover
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yes, before Peter Casey we never had threads complaining about travelers, the dole, or what our taxes are spent on. All hail Peter Casey, shining a light on topics no-one had ever considered discussing before.

    So why all the furore?
    As I see it Casey brought it up and it resonated with people, particularly those who see traveller "culture" in action on a regular basis AND no other politicians raise their concerns.


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    #264
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    The hatchet job of an interview on the late late was the first issue discussed on 96fm this morning

    Consensus from the presenter and the caller was that Tubridy showed his bias, lost control and Tubridy wanted to take Casey down but didn't know how

    Has Margaret Cash been interviewed yet? I thought that she’d have been in the LLS audience Friday night along with her legal advisor.


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    #265
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    tayto lover wrote: »
    So why all the furore?
    As I see it Casey brought it up and it resonated with people, particularly those who see traveller "culture" in action on a regular basis AND no other politicians raise their concerns.

    Furore, because a toxic tactic is trying to introduce itself into Irish politics at any cost.
    It was overwhelmingly defeated at one election and it's now being ridiculed as a tactic by some media and electorate alike. I notice rant sites like the Liberal.ie seem to be supporting it too.
    Casey himself is doing a fair job at demonstrating it was just an 'elect me' tactic too.


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    #266
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Furore, because a toxic tactic is trying to introduce itself into Irish politics at any cost.
    It was overwhelmingly defeated at one election and it's now being ridiculed as a tactic by some media and electorate alike. I notice rant sites like the Liberal.ie seem to be supporting it too.
    Casey himself is doing a fair job at demonstrating it was just an 'elect me' tactic too.

    Funny that you held the opposite view with the 50/50 bread man.
    You called that a rant too.
    Flip flop Francie.


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    #267
    freshpopcorn
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    I don't think any TD would stick their necks out on that issue only to be called a 'racist' and to be seen to be picking on a 'vulnerable minority'

    They are as much Irish as I am. – Kevin O’Keeffe

    I believe we live in a republic where all our citizens should have equal rights and equal responsibilities. – Robert Troy

    I wouldn’t see the point in singling them out as any different. They are the same as any human being. – Michael Collins

    A case has not been convincingly made for the designation of a distinct ethnic status for the Travelling community. – Mattie McGrath


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    #268
    tayto lover
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    The hatchet job of an interview on the late late was the first issue discussed on 96fm this morning

    Consensus from the presenter and the caller was that Tubridy showed his bias, lost control and Tubridy wanted to take Casey down but didn't know how

    Exactly.
    Tubs lost his cool live on air for all to see.
    Cringeworthy.


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    #269
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    They are as much Irish as I am. – Kevin O’Keeffe

    I believe we live in a republic where all our citizens should have equal rights and equal responsibilities. – Robert Troy

    I wouldn’t see the point in singling them out as any different. They are the same as any human being. – Michael Collins

    A case has not been convincingly made for the designation of a distinct ethnic status for the Travelling community. – Mattie McGrath

    I presume those comments were before the travellers got ethnicity though?

    Even Charlie Flanagan disagreed on them getting ethnicity before Enda gave it to them


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    #270
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    I presume those comments were before the travellers got ethnicity though?

    Even Charlie Flanagan disagreed on them getting ethnicity before Enda gave it to them

    I've yet to have anyone give me a satisfactory explanation as to why one white person born in Dublin is somehow a different ethnic background to a different white person born in Dublin.

    Travellers are Irish. Workshy, entitled and antisocial with a disproportional criminality issue yeah, but as Irish as you and I.


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    #271
    freshpopcorn
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    I presume those comments were before the travellers got ethnicity though?

    Even Charlie Flanagan disagreed on them getting ethnicity before Enda gave it to them

    https://www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/traveller-ethnicity-ireland-2801339-Jun2016/%3famp=1


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