All Stars RTE

lawred2 · 02-11-2018 8:13pm #1

What a dour affair... What's the point of it? The winners are already known. There isn't even the pretend excitement of picking from three nominations or something .

Just walking the winners out.

The lads are like a lineup at a funeral

And three presenters doing their bit in turn

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2018 8:16pm

Desperate idea. Everyone just looks uncomfortable.

Say Your Number · 02-11-2018 8:18pm

Not surprised Clifford is YPOTY.

ArielAtom · 02-11-2018 8:23pm

Howard wins an AI and performs in every game, Clifford doesn’t get out of the Super 8’s!!!!!!!

seligehgit · 02-11-2018 8:31pm

Who going to win the individual awards?

Fenton and Canning pour moi.

corny · 02-11-2018 8:40pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

Howard wins an AI and performs in every game, Clifford doesn’t get out of the Super 8’s!!!!!!!

Howard was never gonna win what is essentially a popularity contest with him. The chap has been anointed since he was minor.

FWIW Clifford was brilliant.....Howard was other-worldly.

djPSB · 02-11-2018 8:58pm

Darragh Fitzgibbon gets an all star but not YPOTY.

Kyle Hayes doesn't get an All Star but wins YPOTR.

Doesn't make any sense.

cms88 · 02-11-2018 9:04pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

Howard wins an AI and performs in every game, Clifford doesn’t get out of the Super 8’s!!!!!!!

He won an All-Star in a position he didn't play in, whats your view on that?

cms88 · 02-11-2018 9:06pm

corny wrote: »

Howard was never gonna win what is essentially a popularity contest with him. The chap has been anointed since he was minor.

FWIW Clifford was brilliant.....Howard was other-worldly.

You of course wouldn't be bias at all with those comments...

270WIN · 02-11-2018 9:07pm

djPSB wrote: »

Darragh Fitzgibbon gets an all star but not YPOTY.

Kyle Hayes doesn't get an All Star but wins YPOTR.

Doesn't make any sense.

A farce that K Hayes got no all star..Limerick get one forward ffs

TheRiverman · 02-11-2018 9:11pm

And the All Star award for saying "looked I suppose" goes to.......

MfMan · 02-11-2018 9:20pm

Well done to Cian Lynch on POTY, but Padraig Mannion surely hard done by. Hopefully it will inspire him to ever greater heights in 2019.

leestone · 02-11-2018 9:23pm

Cian Lynch getting player of the year shows the all stars once again is not based on form but more on perceived false perceptions he wasn't even Limericks top player and his mid field partner had a greater influence in every game...same crap we see each year...

ArielAtom · 02-11-2018 9:27pm

cms88 wrote: »

He won an All-Star in a position he didn't play in, whats your view on that?

‘‘Tis a joke, moved him to shoehorn in McHugh.

TheRiverman · 02-11-2018 9:28pm

Micheal Lyster professional right to the end of his broadcasting career.Hope his health stays good and he enjoys a long happy retirement.

Angliru · 02-11-2018 9:28pm

All Stars turning into a popularity contest. There were about 5 fellas more deserving of POTY than Cian Lynch.

leestone · 02-11-2018 9:34pm

Angliru wrote: »

All Stars turning into a popularity contest. There were about 5 fellas more deserving of POTY than Cian Lynch.

totally true....he got it because he is the more familiar face of Limerick Hurling, his uncle is a former all star etc...he appears more in the media than his team mates id have picked at least six of his teammates ahead of him for that award...

mickmackey1 · 02-11-2018 10:09pm

leestone wrote: »

totally true....he got it because he is the more familiar face of Limerick Hurling, his uncle is a former all star etc...he appears more in the media than his team mates id have picked at least six of his teammates ahead of him for that award...

He is the most naturally gifted player in the squad though... the one thing you can say about the All Stars is that they always throw up surprises, it never goes totally to script.

puzl · 02-11-2018 10:12pm

Looks like I'm in a minority thinking lynch deserved hoty. I also think Hayes deserved yhoty.

I'm not saying they were head and shoulders above the other contendors as it is always going to be very close given the nature of championship hurling.

Mannion was absolutely outstanding all year and I would have been happy to see him win it too.

As for comments about it being a popularity contest. It's the players to that do the voting, so in a sense it is true. However the players are best positioned to make informed votes and I think it's a bit cheap to disregard their collective opinion just because you don't agree with their choices. Love it or hate it, it is an award by the players themselves.

Conas · 02-11-2018 10:19pm

puzl wrote: »

Mannion was absolutely outstanding all year and I would have been happy to see him win it too.

Like the Galway team all summer they were outstanding for 30 minutes in every game, but always took their foot off the gas. They got away with it until the All Ireland Final.

I don't think Mannion deserved it. They always want to give it to a player on the All Ireland winning team anyway.

small town girl · 02-11-2018 10:24pm

Conas wrote: »

Like the Galway team all summer they were outstanding for 30 minutes in every game, but always took their foot off the gas. They got away with it until the All Ireland Final.

I don't think Mannion deserved it. They always want to give it to a player on the All Ireland winning team anyway.

Three Waterford men have won it in the past twenty years, bet they'd swap them for three All Ireland's :P

washman3 · 02-11-2018 10:28pm

The POTY is picked/voted on by the players. Problem is, only 3 players are put forward for voting. Mannion and Canning suffered because of this as their vote was almost definitely split giving Lynch a free run. Has happened in football previously too with Fenton losing out.
There should be no shortlist,just let every player vote for who he wants.
If I was a player with a vote this year, it would be a toss up between Conlon and Mulcahy,with my Limerick bias picking Mulcahy who was simply phenomenal all year.

corny · 02-11-2018 11:22pm

cms88 wrote: »

You of course wouldn't be bias at all with those comments...

No more than a Kerry person would be biased the other way. However, i think i could make a more convincing case for the neutral as to why Howard was more deserving of the award.

djPSB · 02-11-2018 11:43pm

Cian Lynch wasn't in the top 10 hurlers in the country not to mind hurler of the year.

Imo of course.

Utopia Parkway · 03-11-2018 3:07pm

djPSB wrote: »

Cian Lynch wasn't in the top 10 hurlers in the country not to mind hurler of the year.

Imo of course.

He was good but I don't think he was even Limerick's best player this year. He was probably going to win it once they put him up against 2 Galway players though as I'm sure their vote was split. Should be an open vote really. Vote for whoever you want.

Conas · 03-11-2018 4:29pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

He was good but I don't think he was even Limerick's best player this year. He was probably going to win it once they put him up against 2 Galway players though as I'm sure their vote was split. Should be an open vote really. Vote for whoever you want.

I think it should be an open vote alright, let the public decide. That would put the politics and bias to one side.
Considering the Sunday game panel were all unanimous in picking Pádraic Mannion as the hurler of the year, I'm sure Cian Lynch himself was not expecting to win it last night.

puzl · 03-11-2018 4:55pm

Let the public vote? You'd have 15 Dublin hurling allstars. This isn't the xfactor.

CrabRevolution · 03-11-2018 5:10pm

Much like the mythical date when there last wasn't a sofa sale on in DFS, has there ever been a year when people didn't call the all stars a joke and a disgrace? As long as I can remember, people have been saying "the All Stars have become a joke". So if they're so bad now, when weren't they a joke? If the internet existed in 1988 I guarantee you'd have the same debates as today saying x deserved an All Star and y only got in because of his name.

Or more importantly, how could you possibly compare between eras? Like how can you objectively measure how much a "disgrace" any given years All Star selection is?

How could you honestly determine that the All Stars of the 1980s were the clear cut, black and white best players in each position with no leeway or debate. Yet the All Stars of today are just about agendas, egos, bias, popularity, tokenism etc.

LMK · 04-11-2018 12:16am

I think the levelling off or levelling up as it actually is has made the All-stars more contentious, there are a lot of equally excellent players is both hurling and football.
There has never been as many skilful participants as there are now, and picking players of the year is doubly difficult because there is so little between players.
Cian Lynch was outstanding for Limerick all year, himself ,darragh O'Donovan , Tom Morrissey Kyle Hayes, Gearoid Hegarty and Seamus Flanagan overwhelmed opponents with their relentless high tempo competitiveness... He was brilliant in the first 3 games when the show was being put together and he was (IMO) the one player Limerick could not afford to lose he was the one setting the tone...

Utopia Parkway · 04-11-2018 4:42am

puzl wrote: »

Let the public vote? You'd have 15 Dublin hurling allstars. This isn't the xfactor.

The players vote for the player of the year awards.

The_Honeybadger · 04-11-2018 11:27am

corny wrote: »

No more than a Kerry person would be biased the other way. However, i think i could make a more convincing case for the neutral as to why Howard was more deserving of the award.

But it was neutrals in the main that voted was it not? The POTY & YPOTY are the only awards I’d put any stock in as they are voted by players rather than journalists.

FWIW I think it was probably a very close one and nobody would be complaining if the young man from Dublin had won the award. Howard came in to an utterly dominant team and performed very well under no real pressure as his team easily controlled every game. Clifford almost single handedly dragged his underperforming team through the Super 8’s with a maturity far beyond his years and I think that’s why he pipped Howard.

Stoner · 09-11-2018 7:16pm

cms88 wrote:

You of course wouldn't be bias at all with those comments...

Or yourself, every year.

Stoner · 09-11-2018 7:24pm

Wasn't much in it. They were two good options, scoring forwards will always attract the votes though.

I would agree that Clifford was always getting it, he's being held up as Kerry's saviour, but that doesn't mean he didn't deserve it either.

Howard's main achievement was making the team. He held of serious competition for a young lad. He was fantastic in the Under 21last year too. Paul Flynn didn't get look in this year and he was flying by all accounts.

In a strange way Howard is the type of player Kerry are not producing and could really do with, but scores are scores and Clifford is certainly prolific.

The_Honeybadger · 10-11-2018 12:47am

Stoner wrote: »

In a strange way Howard is the type of player Kerry are not producing and could really do with, but scores are scores and Clifford is certainly prolific.

Without a doubt, we’d love to have him. We did produce one btw but he chose the AFL which is a pity for Kerry. Sean O’Shea is is probably in that mould as well and should improve in the coming years. There are others that may come through yet but I’d agree with you we really need a few skilful six feet plus footballers around middle eight.

I’ll be very interested to see who PK brings in and how he sets up. I don’t know if we have enough players in the right positions for the foreseeable future to be honest.

Bonniedog · 12-11-2018 6:15pm

Sports team of the year is always more interesting, not to say bizarre.

Who's in the running to succeed the beloved show jumpers?

Is there a dog that has balanced a ball on his nose on the Toy Show? Or perhaps a pig who can jump over a small wall?

Oh no. Problem, solved. the rugger chaps won something. They even get nominated when they are cr@p so that's that then …

ProudDUB · 12-11-2018 7:13pm

Methinks the lady schtick fighters (the posh ones) have Team of The Year sewn up & well they should.

Bonniedog · 12-11-2018 8:17pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Methinks the lady schtick fighters (the posh ones) have Team of The Year sewn up & well they should.

Well we know who it won't be anyway!

jr86 · 13-11-2018 9:40am

I more than anyone cringe at all the praise placed ad nauseum on the Rugby team, but if they beat New Zealand next week they have to get that award in all fairness. Basically cementing their place as the best team in the world for 2018

Bonniedog · 13-11-2018 1:22pm

jr86 wrote: »

I more than anyone cringe at all the praise placed ad nauseum on the Rugby team, but if they beat New Zealand next week they have to get that award in all fairness. Basically cementing their place as the best team in the world for 2018

The audience voted for fkn shop jumpers last year.

Galway winning first AI in nearly 30 years and Dublin winning 3 in a row paled in comparison!

ProudDUB · 13-11-2018 3:35pm

jr86 wrote: »

I more than anyone cringe at all the praise placed ad nauseum on the Rugby team, but if they beat New Zealand next week they have to get that award in all fairness. Basically cementing their place as the best team in the world for 2018/

Unless it's a World Cup year, that's pretty meaningless imo. Winning the Grand Slam - and winning it with such style - was great. The squad should definitely be in the running for Team of the Year for doing that, but calling yourself the best team in the world, is not really worth anything, unless there is a trophy to show for it imo.

We will only ever genuinely be that, when it matters, when we have the trophy(s) in the cabinet, a la The All Blacks.

cms88 · 14-11-2018 9:27am

Stoner wrote: »

Or yourself, every year.

:rolleyes:

blowitupref · 26-09-2019 9:18pm

The 45 All star nominations will be made public tomorrow morning

Not my selection but what i expect to be selected

Goalkeepers

Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
Shane Ryan (Kerry)
Shaun Patton (Donegal)

Defenders

Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)
Michael Fitzsimons (Dublin)
Paddy Durcan (Mayo)
Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Colm Boyle (Mayo)
David Byrne (Dublin)
John Small (Dublin)
Donal Keogan (Meath)
Jonny Cooper (Dublin)
Paul Murphy (Kerry)
Gavin Crowley (Kerry)
Tadgh Morley (Kerry)
Jason Foley (Kerry)
Niall Daly (Roscommon)
Frank Burns (Tyrone)
Stephen McMenamin (Donegal)

Midfielders

Brian Fenton (Dublin)
David Moran (Kerry)
Aidan O'Shea (Mayo)
Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Michael Dara McAuley (Dublin)
Bryan Menton (Meath)

Forwards

Con O'Callaghan (Dublin)
Cathal McShane (Tyone)
David Clifford (Kerry)
Sean O'Shea (Kerry)
Brian Howard (Dublin)
Paul Mannion (Dublin)
Stephen O'Brien (Kerry)
Michael Murphy (Donegal)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Ryan McHugh (Donegal)
Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Dean Rock (Dublin)
Conor Cox (Roscommon)
Mattie Donnelly (Tyrone)
Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Paddy McBreaty (Donegal)
Mark Collins (Cork)
Luke Connolly (Cork)

beggars_bush · 27-09-2019 2:21pm

Don't think Donegal deserved that many.
I mean, they beat Meath. That's it

Tyrone didn't even win a provincial title

blowitupref · 27-09-2019 7:15pm

8 that i expected to make the cut but didn't J Cooper,F Burns,J Foley,G Crowley,C Cavanagh,P Harte,M Collins,L Connolly

8 that got in that i didn't expect. C Barrett,C Moynagh, C McGill,J Og Burns,B Hurley,J Malone,J Brennan,R O'Neill.

Poor_old_gill · 29-09-2019 11:08am

It’s odd that Fenton is more or less guaranteed an all star but was well beaten in his only 2 proper contests all year

Bonniedog · 29-09-2019 11:15am

Kerry couldn't get out of their own half for 15 minutes with an extra man in the drawn game. I think any player that was central to that deserves a nod!

Will most likely be Fenton and Moran, despite latter going missing for crucial periods in both games.

MDM had great year but won't get it because of way these things are managed.

Don't think any of them will be particularly worried one way or the other,

Poor_old_gill · 29-09-2019 11:22am

Bonniedog wrote: »

Kerry couldn't get out of their own half for 15 minutes with an extra man in the drawn game. I think any player that was central to that deserves a nod!

Will most likely be Fenton and Moran, despite latter going missing for crucial periods in both games.

MDM had great year but won't get it because of way these things are managed.

Don't think any of them will be particularly worried one way or the other,

It’s not a team award though- it’s an individual award.

Moran didn’t go missing- he just kicked a couple of wides but Fenton was beat out the gate both days.

MDM has a great year? Against who?

Bonniedog · 29-09-2019 12:12pm

Wasn't slagging Moran - merely pointing out that he like all of the other midfield nominees had days that were not as good as others,

Fenton was well policed in both games but was also key to the periods in which Dublin dominated possession. Likewise Moran was key to periods in which Kerry took the game to Dublin.

To be honest it is an award I don't really see huge merit in, and it is pretty much scripted: winners will get 5/6/7; losing finalists 3/4; then a scattering of lads who might have had a really good game in defeat, or been consistently good with a team that didn't feature in the business end.

Poor_old_gill · 29-09-2019 12:16pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Wasn't slagging Moran - merely pointing out that he like all of the other midfield nominees had days that were not as good as others,

Fenton was well policed in both games but was also key to the periods in which Dublin dominated possession. Likewise Moran was key to periods in which Kerry took the game to Dublin.

To be honest it is an award I don't really see huge merit in, and it is pretty much scripted: winners will get 5/6/7; losing finalists 3/4; then a scattering of lads who might have had a really good game in defeat, or been consistently good with a team that didn't feature in the business end.

I agree with all of the above and I'm just pointing out it's odd that he will more than likely get one when he didnt play great in either final.

I guess the standard of midfielders just might not be there at the moment.

Bonniedog · 29-09-2019 12:37pm

One of the online podcast thingies - Balls or Joe.ie picked Michael Murphy as one of the two.

He was certainly one of Donegal's key players - one of the few to do himself justice in the Mayo game - but from what I saw of him he wouldn't have been midfield, and didn't get an official nomination.

blanch152 · 29-09-2019 5:12pm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It’s odd that Fenton is more or less guaranteed an all star but was well beaten in his only 2 proper contests all year

Don’t think he cares with another All-Ireland medal in his pocket.

Wouldn’t begrudge them going to someone else, more of a consolation prize.

An All-Stars without any of the winners would be interesting.

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