All Stars RTE

Poor_old_gill

blanch152 wrote: »

Don’t think he cares with another All-Ireland medal in his pocket.

Wouldn’t begrudge them going to someone else, more of a consolation prize.

An All-Stars without any of the winners would be interesting.

I'm not sure of the relevance of whether he cares or not to the discussion.

cms88

Bonniedog wrote: »

Kerry couldn't get out of their own half for 15 minutes with an extra man in the drawn game. I think any player that was central to that deserves a nod!

Will most likely be Fenton and Moran, despite latter going missing for crucial periods in both games.

MDM had great year but won't get it because of way these things are managed.

Don't think any of them will be particularly worried one way or the other,

Sure why not just have an exrta midfelid one just for MDM...

cms88

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I'm not sure of the relevance of whether he cares or not to the discussion.

It'll be like when when Moran etc won player of the year. The Dubs will say it doesn't matter etc yet surprisingly it was very important last year. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

gormdubhgorm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It’s odd that Fenton is more or less guaranteed an all star but was well beaten in his only 2 proper contests all year

He had a great game for Raheny against Oliver Plunketts in fairness - I think he got 4/5 from play!

gormdubhgorm

blanch152 wrote: »

Don’t think he cares with another All-Ireland medal in his pocket.

Wouldn’t begrudge them going to someone else, more of a consolation prize.

An All-Stars without any of the winners would be interesting.

That is just what the all-stars is - really the fellas who won the Sam don't give a damn about it. The fellas that didn't look on it as some form of consolation. The supporters of the 31 counties (32 including London/NY) who did not win Sam view such awards as some sort of hope for the future.

Let's be honest the awards are a sham anyway, all politics it has a real 'school sports day' feel about it.
Not only that fellas get put in positions they did not/hardly played in to 'accommodate them' to get all-stars.

beggars_bush

Still don't know why Donegal got so many players nominated

The one game they had to win all year they bottled it

seligehgit

IMO it's a great honour for any player to be selected as an all star and most certainly not a consolation prize.Pretty insulting to indicate otherwise and same denigrates the awards.

I've no doubt Jack McCaffrey will greatly celebrate a POTY award.No less will any members of an All Ireland winning teams celebrate receipt of an all star.The fact the selections annually provoke so much controversy and discussion indicates the regard they're held in.

blanch152

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is just what the all-stars is - really the fellas who won the Sam don't give a damn about it. The fellas that didn't look on it as some form of consolation. The supporters of the 31 counties (32 including London/NY) who did not win Sam view such awards as some sort of hope for the future.

Let's be honest the awards are a sham anyway, all politics it has a real 'school sports day' feel about it.
Not only that fellas get put in positions they did not/hardly played in to 'accommodate them' to get all-stars.

Shane Ryan - Tom O'Sullivan, Ronan McNamee, Tadhg Morley, Paddy Durcan, Colm Boyle, Ryan McHugh - David Moran, Aidan O'Shea - David Clifford, Paul Geaney, Seán O’Shea, Stephen O’Brien, Michael Murphy, Brian Hurley

I know some would pick that team anyway and leave off all Dubs, but the Dubs have All-Ireland medals, wouldn't a team like that recognise the contribution of others through the year?

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

Shane Ryan - Tom O'Sullivan, Ronan McNamee, Tadhg Morley, Paddy Durcan, Colm Boyle, Ryan McHugh - David Moran, Aidan O'Shea - David Clifford, Paul Geaney, Seán O’Shea, Stephen O’Brien, Michael Murphy, Brian Hurley

I know some would pick that team anyway and leave off all Dubs, but the Dubs have All-Ireland medals, wouldn't a team like that recognise the contribution of others through the year?

Cathal MacShane was the only non-Dub that I got wrong.

Sparks 72

What a joke Paddy Durcan gets an All Star playing 3 games, alot more deserving players but of course Mayo had to get one

charlie14

beggars_bush wrote: »

Still don't know why Donegal got so many players nominated

The one game they had to win all year they bottled it

Following your logic no players other than Dubs would get a nomination let alone an All Star as all the rest lost games during the championship.
In fact Tyrone lost two yet got two awards.

passremarkable

Stephen o Brien was unlucky

The_Honeybadger

passremarkable wrote: »

Stephen o Brien was unlucky

He was but I had assumed he wasn’t getting one after two quiet finals. He was excellent throughout the Super 8’s and in the semi where he got a game changing goal.

Howard at half back is a bit puzzling. He definitely deserves to be in the team but no. 6 is an odd place to put him. I know we have these positional debates every year but I think this one is stretching it a bit.

passremarkable

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

He was but I had assumed he wasn’t getting one after two quiet finals. He was excellent throughout the Super 8’s and in the semi where he got a game changing goal.

Howard at half back is a bit puzzling. He definitely deserves to be in the team but no. 6 is an odd place to put him. I know we have these positional debates every year but I think this one is stretching it a bit.

Yea Howard a strange call at 6.

ArielAtom

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

He was but I had assumed he wasn’t getting one after two quiet finals. He was excellent throughout the Super 8’s and in the semi where he got a game changing goal.

Howard at half back is a bit puzzling. He definitely deserves to be in the team but no. 6 is an odd place to put him. I know we have these positional debates every year but I think this one is stretching it a bit.

I’d say it was Howard or Murphy in half forward line, Murphy played most of the year at midfield???? So movement happened to facilitate. As bad as Cavanagh last year.

C__MC

Mullen or bubbles ahead of colin fennelly for me in hurling all stars

Grats

C__MC wrote: »

Mullen or bubbles ahead of colin fennelly for me in hurling all stars

Fennelly was immense for club and county this year, and has continued that fom with his club in recent matches. You couldn't compare what Mullen brings to what Fennelly does.

Colin Fennelly well deserved his All Star for work rate, taking the hits and not always getting frees he deserved, and making space for other forwards like Mullen. Free takers don't always contribute what the likes of a Fennelly does for 70 minutes.

charlie14

ArielAtom wrote: »

I’d say it was Howard or Murphy in half forward line, Murphy played most of the year at midfield???? So movement happened to facilitate. As bad as Cavanagh last year.

Murphy was named at full forward in all Donegal`s championship games this year but traveled all over the pitch wherever the need was most, at times seemingly carrying that Donegal team on his own. Even when they were dire against Mayo in the final Super 8 game he dragged them back into it in the second half.
He scored 2-26 overall so with him being named at 14, and with his overall contribution, being nominated for one of the six forward positions was no surprise and his being awarded an All Star well earned.
Howard getting his All Star at 6, always regarded as a specialist position, with him never listed or playing there was a bit strange. Cavanagh last year was bizarre.

Bonniedog

Both Murphy and Howard really prove that named position is pretty meaningless for quite a number of key players.

Murphy was exceptional and deserved one, and scored a pile so obviously a forward berth. Howard - and Scully who I think is under-rated - have almost invented a new position. It might be termed sweeper but he survives on instinct and brilliant reading of the game. I saw him at his best in league where I was in lower Hogan and you could follow his movement, often crucial to breaking down opposition attacks and starting Dublin attacks without being much on the ball!

Is he a centre back? Hardly in the sense we know them, but was there one orthodox centre half this year who deserved it above Howard? You would have to say no.

MayoAreMagic

Sparks 72 wrote: »

What a joke Paddy Durcan gets an All Star playing 3 games, alot more deserving players but of course Mayo had to get one

Had 3 unbelievable games though. Marked mccaffrey and McHugh, and not only done really well, done a load of damage going the other way, all while coming back from injury. Not sure anyone else in either the half back or half forward line of the all stars performed like that in all their games, nevermind 3.
To be honest, boyle should have gotten one at 6 also. In a parallel universe, had dublin came out flat in the second half against mayo and lost, boyle is probably a big shout for poty. Sticking howard in for him is simply a sell out. He deserved one also, but not at 6. The sunday game toty is a far superior team these days anyway. All stars have become a joke.

Fann Linn

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Had 3 unbelievable games though. Marked mccaffrey and McHugh, and not only done really well, done a load of damage going the other way, all while coming back from injury. Not sure anyone else in either the half back or half forward line of the all stars performed like that in all their games, nevermind 3.
To be honest, boyle should have gotten one at 6 also. In a parallel universe, had dublin came out flat in the second half against mayo and lost, boyle is probably a big shout for poty. Sticking howard in for him is simply a sell out. He deserved one also, but not at 6. The sunday game toty is a far superior team these days anyway. All stars have become a joke.

You"re right MayoMan, they are joke. I was saying that when Andy won it.

imme

Cringey show.

They could show an edited version.
I don't know that that would improve it though.

For the most part sportspeople should be seen and not heard unless they have something to say.

Edgware

imme wrote: »

Cringey show.

They could show an edited version.
I don't know that that would improve it though.

For the most part sportspeople should be seen and not heard unless they have something to say.

Correction: something intelligent to say.
"Unbelievable" " everyone had written us off" " we are professional in all but name" doesn't qualify

Man Vs ManUre

Fitzsimons came across as very arrogant and rude in his interview.
The complete opposite to Sean O’Shea who seemed a bit nervous having to speak in front of big audience and tv.

Man Vs ManUre

No Allstars again for Roscommon even tho they win their province. And this year they did it after beating the big 2 there.

Gael85

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Had 3 unbelievable games though. Marked mccaffrey and McHugh, and not only done really well, done a load of damage going the other way, all while coming back from injury. Not sure anyone else in either the half back or half forward line of the all stars performed like that in all their games, nevermind 3.
To be honest, boyle should have gotten one at 6 also. In a parallel universe, had dublin came out flat in the second half against mayo and lost, boyle is probably a big shout for poty. Sticking howard in for him is simply a sell out. He deserved one also, but not at 6. The sunday game toty is a far superior team these days anyway. All stars have become a joke.

Durcan was nominated on the Donegal and Dublin games where he played half forward.

Gael85

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Fitzsimons came across as very arrogant and rude in his interview.
The complete opposite to Sean O’Shea who seemed a bit nervous having to speak in front of big audience and tv.

What did he say? Met him last year, came across as quiet and shy.

Man Vs ManUre

Gael85 wrote: »

What did he say? Met him last year, came across as quiet and shy.

Yeah he’s likely a sound fella, who has just been drilled by the Dublin machine into giving nothing away. He was asked about it being special this year doing 5 in a row and he just shrugged it off and sort of said it was nothing unusual and just another game. It was a typical big gaa star no personality robot type answer.

Fann Linn

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Yeah he’s likely a sound fella, who has just been drilled by the Dublin machine into giving nothing away. He was asked about it being special this year doing 5 in a row and he just shrugged it off and sort of said it was nothing unusual and just another game. It was a typical big gaa star no personality robot type answer.

So he wasn't arrogant and rude.

Man Vs ManUre

Fann Linn wrote: »

So he wasn't arrogant and rude.

He came across as very arrogant.
It’s probably harsh to say rude as it’s probably just his quiet personality. But maybe best to not put him forward for Hugh profile tv interviews if he’s not gonna engage with the interviewer.

Bonniedog

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Yeah he’s likely a sound fella, who has just been drilled by the Dublin machine into giving nothing away. He was asked about it being special this year doing 5 in a row and he just shrugged it off and sort of said it was nothing unusual and just another game. It was a typical big gaa star no personality robot type answer.

Maybe he was nervous like O'Shea and that's his way of dealing with it!

Most people come across as wooden and rehearsed when facing a mike and having hours to worry about it.

Gael85

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Yeah he’s likely a sound fella, who has just been drilled by the Dublin machine into giving nothing away. He was asked about it being special this year doing 5 in a row and he just shrugged it off and sort of said it was nothing unusual and just another game. It was a typical big gaa star no personality robot type answer.

Nothing robotic about Dublin players or management. Won't meet a more level headed group on and off the pitch. I don't know how can be portrayed as arrogant when some players(amateurs) not comfortable doing interviews or been in the lime light.

Man Vs ManUre

Bonniedog wrote: »

Maybe he was nervous like O'Shea and that's his way of dealing with it!

Most people come across as wooden and rehearsed when facing a mike and having hours to worry about it.

Did u see the interview?? Even Joanne was a bit shocked and not sure how to handle it. Most gaa stars give bland no personality answers but his was just an overly arrogant answer to her question.

Man Vs ManUre

I mean the likes of Bernard Brogan and Philly McMahon are great examples of engaging interviews. Despite their achievements and greatness, they come across as humble, yet still extremely charming and charismatic. Their personalities come across in their interviews.

charlie14

I imagine Cluxton sweated more during that interview than he has in any Dublin game.
Comes across as a very shy lad but a great ambassador for the game.
Being from Donegal Tyrone would not be on top of my Christmas card list, but I was very impressed with how he sought out Sean Cavanagh for a chat at the end of Cavanagh`s last game for Tyrone.
Delighted for him that he got POTY. Long overdue.

Edgware

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Fitzsimons came across as very arrogant and rude in his interview.
The complete opposite to Sean O’Shea who seemed a bit nervous having to speak in front of big audience and tv.

Sean O Shea is new to all this rigmarole but he accounted well for himself on the pitch this year

imme

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Fitzsimons came across as very arrogant and rude in his interview.
The complete opposite to Sean O’Shea who seemed a bit nervous having to speak in front of big audience and tv.

I'd forgive him all that because he's a ride😘

charlie14

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

No Allstars again for Roscommon even tho they win their province. And this year they did it after beating the big 2 there.

From when the backdoor was introduced and plus now with the Super 8`s provincial and league performances don`t appear to register anymore when it comes to the All Stars.

MayoAreMagic

Gael85 wrote: »

Durcan was nominated on the Donegal and Dublin games where he played half forward.

Playing the roll of a halfback though to be fair, just higher up the pitch. Also, Mchugh is named at wing back but he doesnt really play there.
But fair enough, give him one in the half forward berths if that suits you better, he was nailed on in either.

Hulk Hands

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Had 3 unbelievable games though. Marked mccaffrey and McHugh, and not only done really well, done a load of damage going the other way, all while coming back from injury. Not sure anyone else in either the half back or half for.
To be honest, boyle should have gotten one at 6 also. In a parallel universe, had dublin came out flat in the second half against mayo and lost, boyle is probably a big shout for poty. Sticking howard in for him is simply a sell out. He deserved one also, but not at 6. The sunday game toty is a far superior team these days anyway. All stars have become a joke.

Ah give over. Durcan completely deserves one but Boyles is a long way third in people hard done by the Howard inclusion at 6. Ryan McHugh performance against Kerry and Keogans against Clare were possibly the two standout performances in the entire championship. Keogan was phenomenal by all accounts against Laois also. Are we really comparing Boyle making a few good interceptions and being borderline motm in a poor quality qualifier against Armagh with the ridiculous performance McHugh put in against Kerry in the game of the year? Both had the odd poor performance also

Man Vs ManUre

I thought the Kerry full back might have got the nod ahead of the Tyrone guy. He was very good in the 1st all Ireland.

MayoAreMagic

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Ah give over. Durcan completely deserves one but Boyles is a long way third in people hard done by the Howard inclusion at 6. Ryan McHugh performance against Kerry and Keogans against Clare were possibly the two standout performances in the entire championship. Keogan was phenomenal by all accounts against Laois also. Are we really comparing Boyle making a few good interceptions and being borderline motm in a poor quality qualifier against Armagh with the ridiculous performance McHugh put in against Kerry in the game of the year? Both had the odd poor performance also

Boyle was mayos best player and also their most consistant player this year. He was exceptional throughout. He was also selected on the sunday game team. I can only assume you didnt see many of the mayo games to come out with that. He is also a bone fida no 6, whereas mchugh plays in the half forward line in all but name.

charlie14

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Playing the roll of a halfback though to be fair, just higher up the pitch. Also, Mchugh is named at wing back but he doesnt really play there.
But fair enough, give him one in the half forward berths if that suits you better, he was nailed on in either.

I would not begrudge Durcan his All Star at wing back, but when you look at that half forward line it would have been a huge ask to expect him to get one there.

The_Honeybadger

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

I thought the Kerry full back might have got the nod ahead of the Tyrone guy. He was very good in the 1st all Ireland.

Morley is very underrated, he marked several of the best forwards in the game over the summer and nobody beat him. McNamee is excellent as well though, that was a close one I’d say.

charlie14

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Boyle was mayos best player and also their most consistant player this year. He was exceptional throughout. He was also selected on the sunday game team. I can only assume you didnt see many of the mayo games to come out with that. He is also a bone fida no 6, whereas mchugh plays in the half forward line in all but name.

Up until the final Super 8 game against Mayo McHugh was nailed on for an All Star at wing back. Just shows the vagaries in All Star Awards where one game late in the season can result in such a huge turn around in players fortunes.

charlie14

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Morley is very underrated, he marked several of the best forwards in the game over the summer and nobody beat him. McNamee is excellent as well though, that was a close one I’d say.

If it did come down to the two of them then it was probably the Tyrone v Kerry semi final that swung it for McNamee with McShane`s performance.
McNamee was well assisted by a Tyrone sweeper during the year. Kerry hung Morley out to dry in that semi with the lack of one who knew how to play the role.

The_Honeybadger

charlie14 wrote: »

If it did come down to the two of them then it was probably the Tyrone v Kerry semi final that swung it for McNamee with McShane`s performance.
McNamee was well assisted by a Tyrone sweeper during the year. Kerry hung Morley out to dry in that semi with the lack of one who knew how to play the role.

Actually it was Jason Foley that marked McShane in the first half when he did the damage. They moved Morley over to him for the second half and McShane did very little after that.

charlie14

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Actually it was Jason Foley that marked McShane in the first half when he did the damage. They moved Morley over to him for the second half and McShane did very little after that.

I still feel that it was the Tyrone v Kerry game that rubber stamped the All Star at 14 for McShane so had they awarded awarded Morley the number 3 slot the optics would not have looked good. Especially with him being the recognised Kerry number 3 in a semi final where, as far as I recall, McShane scored 7 points.

Not taking anything away from McNamee, he had a great season, but unlike Morley who for much of the time was left ploughing a lone furrow, he, with how Tyrone set up, was rarely left in that situation.

Hulk Hands

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Boyle was mayos best player and also their most consistant player this year. He was exceptional throughout. He was also selected on the sunday game team. I can only assume you didnt see many of the mayo games to come out with that. He is also a bone fida no 6, whereas mchugh plays in the half forward line in all but name.

I saw all of Mayo's games. He was exceptional down in Killarney? I'd suggest you watch that again. He had a very good game vs Armagh and was steady versus Meath, Donegal and Galway. A very good year no doubt but you're comparing that with superhuman stuff coming out of Keogan and McHugh. McHugh is given special attention every game he plays because of his threat from wing back and yet he still came out with some incredible performances. You can't compare Boyle keeping his man relatively quiet and making a few interceptions with McHugh kicking multiple scores per game or winning penalties. Same with Keogan.

Btw they don't assign players to certain positions anymore. It's 6 backs in any position and 6 forwards. That doesn't explain Howards selection granted but it means they don't need to select someone that plays centre back at 6

The_Honeybadger

charlie14 wrote: »

I still feel that it was the Tyrone v Kerry game that rubber stamped the All Star at 14 for McShane so had they awarded awarded Morley the number 3 slot the optics would not have looked good. Especially with him being the recognised Kerry number 3 in a semi final where, as far as I recall, McShane scored 7 points.

Not taking anything away from McNamee, he had a great season, but unlike Morley who for much of the time was left ploughing a lone furrow, he, with how Tyrone set up, was rarely left in that situation.

Yes I think McShane was an automatic selection. He was brilliant in that first half of the semi but once Kerry made the change Morley shut him down entirely. If that game is what cost Morley the award then the whole thing is a sham.

It’s more likely that they thought Kerry had enough at four and there was another worthy candidate in Mcnamee so he gets it. No big deal really.