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Tipsy McSwagger · 02-11-2018 01:26PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

That makes sense. The Averys know well nobody liked them around the area. How does that show malicious intent ?

When I've someone calling up to my place to, I don't know, deliver a parcel, fix something... I like to know what time exactly they'll be coming.

The towel thing Kratz says himself in his book that SA was coming out of the kiddies pool at the back. All of a sudden it's a lot less sleazy.

Plus, sleazy does not a murderer make. Look at Kratz sure.

The towel incident frightened Teresa so much she told her boss she didn’t want to visit with Avery anymore. It’s not some harmless little incident.

James Forde · 02-11-2018 01:32PM

Is Tipsy McSwagger Ken Kratz?

runningbuddy · 02-11-2018 01:36PM

SA blocked his number when calling Teresa Halback. Why on earth would he do this? Yet, when he called her later that afternoon to "get her to return to the site" he did not unblock her number.

Tipsy McSwagger · 02-11-2018 01:38PM

runningbuddy wrote: »

SA blocked his number when calling Teresa Halback. Why on earth would he do this? Yet, when he called her later that afternoon to "get her to return to the site" he did not unblock her number.

To try and prove she left his property.

runningbuddy · 02-11-2018 01:41PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

To try and prove she left his property.

Exactly.

TH went to the property assuming she was meeting "Barb". Not SA.

Tipsy McSwagger · 02-11-2018 01:48PM

runningbuddy wrote: »

Exactly.

TH went to the property assuming she was meeting "Barb". Not SA.

SA got Teresa out there on false pretenses, that can’t be argued.

Commanchie · 02-11-2018 01:53PM

runningbuddy wrote: »

Exactly.

TH went to the property assuming she was meeting "Barb". Not SA.

But why when SA rang her her phone pinged 800 foot from scott & Bobby OFF the Avery site

8-10 · 02-11-2018 01:57PM

Commanchie wrote: »

But why when SA rang her her phone pinged 800 foot from scott & Bobby OFF the Avery site

This is why a new trial wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea. Cell phone tower science isn't as exact as people think so State should be able to argue it with an expert. But again the original defence didn't bring up the theory that she left the property strongly enough and to me it does seem like there's evidence that she did that is worth talking about

Commanchie · 02-11-2018 01:58PM

8-10 wrote: »

This is why a new trial wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea. Cell phone tower science isn't as exact as people think so State should be able to argue it with an expert. But again the original defence didn't bring up the theory that she left the property strongly enough and to me it does seem like there's evidence that she did that is worth talking about

Sure bobby admitted lying said he seen her off site. Its a cluster**** of a case.

Uncharted · 02-11-2018 02:05PM

Commanchie wrote: »

Sure bobby admitted lying said he seen her off site. Its a cluster**** of a case.

Imo Bobby Dassey is at the crux of this whole shìtstorm.

He's a really shady character in a family full of shady characters.

jv2000 · 02-11-2018 02:10PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

SA got Teresa out there on false pretenses, that can’t be argued.

This aspect of the case really fascinates me. It really does work towards highlighting the theory that TH was being harassed by SA. What I still cannot understand however is this; if she was so creeped out by him then why did she agree to go to the property to meet Barb who was at the time a next door neighbour? Surely she knew the chances of meeting SA were high especially since he had called her several times that day using a hidden number. This for me does call into question just how intimidated she felt by SA.

runningbuddy · 02-11-2018 02:19PM

jv2000 wrote: »

This aspect of the case really fascinates me. It really does work towards highlighting the theory that TH was being harassed by SA. What I still cannot understand however is this; if she was so creeped out by him then why did she agree to go to the property to meet Barb who was at the time a next door neighbour? Surely she knew the chances of meeting SA were high especially since he had called her several times that day using a hidden number. This for me does call into question just how intimidated she felt by SA.

She probably felt more secure knowing Barb was there. Although, IMO, she is as shady AF :rolleyes:. Speaking as a woman, I would def feel safer knowing another woman there. (even if it was a Dassey female !)

runningbuddy · 02-11-2018 02:24PM

*An Avery woman*....not a Dassey woman !

jv2000 · 02-11-2018 02:25PM

runningbuddy wrote: »

She probably felt more secure knowing Barb was there. Although, IMO, she is as shady AF :rolleyes:. Speaking as a woman, I would def feel safer knowing another woman there. (even if it was a Dassey female !)

Never thought of that, yes that makes sense. Barb is likely the holy grail in this case, probably knows more than anybody else does.

Tipsy McSwagger · 02-11-2018 02:25PM

jv2000 wrote: »

This aspect of the case really fascinates me. It really does work towards highlighting the theory that TH was being harassed by SA. What I still cannot understand however is this; if she was so creeped out by him then why did she agree to go to the property to meet Barb who was at the time a next door neighbour? Surely she knew the chances of meeting SA were high especially since he had called her several times that day using a hidden number. This for me does call into question just how intimidated she felt by SA.

I’m fascinated about this part too. She was afraid of Avery but he was crafty enough to leave his sisters details. Teresa might have been a bit apprehensive but because she was meeting a woman she probably felt safe. Most of Avery’s immediate family look like decent people judging by the documentary.

Uncharted · 02-11-2018 02:26PM

runningbuddy wrote: »

She probably felt more secure knowing Barb was there. Although, IMO, she is as shady AF :rolleyes:. Speaking as a woman, I would def feel safer knowing another woman there. (even if it was a Dassey female !)

A bite from a female snake is still venomous.

runningbuddy · 02-11-2018 02:27PM

Uncharted wrote: »

A bite from a female snake is still venomous.

LOL, true but it is always comforting having another woman around (speaking as one!).

Off point but is Bobby Dassey intellectually challenged like Brendan??

Commanchie · 02-11-2018 02:29PM

Really? Did anybody follow this case or is everyone just taking whats in the doc.
TH knew she was seeing SA she said as much to autotrader that Steve had spoke to her that morning regarding the hustle shot from week before.

Uncharted · 02-11-2018 02:30PM

runningbuddy wrote: »

LOL, true but it is always comforting having another woman around (speaking as one!).

Off point but is Bobby Dassey intellectually challenged like Brendan??

I don't know that for sure,but I don't believe any of the Avery family will be shortlisted for a Pulitzer anytime soon.

I think physical labour in the yard is their primary schooling.

Harsh I know,but there ya go.

runningbuddy · 02-11-2018 02:30PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I’m fascinated about this part too. She was afraid of Avery but he was crafty enough to leave his sisters details. Teresa might have been a bit apprehensive but because she was meeting a woman she probably felt safe. Most of Avery’s immediate family look like decent people judging by the documentary.

That's what bothers me. There is absolutley no "reasonable" explanation for him blocking his number.

The purpose of him contacting Autotrader was to get his vehicle (Or Barb's vehicle photographed). If TH was reluctant to go, Autotrader would have sent someone else. No probs.

runningbuddy · 02-11-2018 02:32PM

Uncharted wrote: »

I don't know that for sure,but I don't believe any of the Avery family will be shortlisted for a Pulitzer anytime soon.

I think physical labour in the yard is their primary schooling.

Harsh I know,but there ya go.

Stranger things have happened !!

runningbuddy · 02-11-2018 02:33PM

Commanchie wrote: »

Really? Did anybody follow this case or is everyone just taking whats in the doc.
TH knew she was seeing SA she said as much to autotrader that Steve had spoke to her that morning regarding the hustle shot from week before.

TH assumed she was meeting Barb. Not SA. TH left a voicemail for Barb confirming she'd be there after 2pm.

Commanchie · 02-11-2018 02:54PM

runningbuddy wrote: »

TH assumed she was meeting Barb. Not SA. TH left a voicemail for Barb confirming she'd be there after 2pm.

She spoke to steven that day and day before for 3.14 mins accumulated.

Tipsy McSwagger · 02-11-2018 03:05PM

Watching episode 3 now

Wombatman · 02-11-2018 03:28PM

How much similarity is Stephen's and Bobby's DNA given they are close relations?

Nirider was brutal at the en banc hearing, floundering while the states attorney nailed every issue or question thrown at him. She really let Brendan down considering it was a 4 to 3 split in the end. Looked like a complete, overly academic, armature. KZ practically says as much when suggesting how it should have been handled.

Uncharted · 02-11-2018 03:35PM

Wombatman wrote: »

How much similarity is Stephen's and Bobby's DNA given they are close relations?

Nirider was brutal at the en banc hearing, floundering while the states attorney nailed every issue or question thrown at him. She really let Brendan down considering it was a 4 to 3 split in the end. Looked like a complete, overly academic, armature. KZ practically says as much when suggesting how it should have been handled.

Agreed. Nirider was utterly out of her depth.

Checkmate19 · 02-11-2018 03:40PM

Have a feeling this will run for a few more years. Probably another part. However be shocked if Avery gets a new trial or dassey gets out. Nobody in the county will grant Avery a new trial barring shocking new evidence.

extra gravy · 02-11-2018 03:42PM

Uncharted wrote: »

Agreed. Nirider was utterly out of her depth.

I thought it was noticeable that the judges kept interrupting her when she trying to make a point but didn't do that with the state solicitor. It was ignorant imo and could have put her off. The state solicitor was very impressive though and maybe Nirider just didn't have the nous for a higher court and the higher level of argument associated with it.

Uncharted · 02-11-2018 03:43PM

extra gravy wrote: »

I thought it was noticeable that the judges kept interrupting her when she trying to make a point but didn't do that with the state solicitor. Thought it was a bit ignorant tbh and could have affected her. The state solicitor was very impressive though.

I dunno. I think she was just flummoxed. I think the editing was kind to her perhaps....

I have Zellner in mind regarding this old quote....

"It's the old dog for the hard road and the pup for the path"

Checkmate19 · 02-11-2018 03:47PM

Totally agree dassey council out of her depth. You only get one chance at these things.

Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

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