Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

KrustyUCC · 01-11-2018 06:14PM

I don't think Casey is polished enough to take over Renua and lead the party in a general election

They are starting from a very very low base

The Bishop Basher · 01-11-2018 07:16PM

I think when we look back, Casey will be seen as a catalyst for change.

I don’t think he’s necessarily the man to do it but he has exposed a massive swell of anger and discontent with the status quo and the establishment parties and someone will eventually fill that void.

We desperately need a credible opposition to the shower of crooks we have now and anyone who can exploit that gap and snap up those votes will be enough to really rattle the big parties next time out at the polls..

Silentcorner · 01-11-2018 07:30PM

Rennaws wrote: »

I think when we look back, Casey will be seen as a catalyst for change.

I don’t think he’s necessarily the man to do it but he has exposed a massive swell of anger and discontent with the status quo and the establishment parties and someone will eventually fill that void.

We desperately need a credible opposition to the shower of crooks we have now and anyone who can exploit that gap and snap up those votes will be enough to really rattle the big parties next time out at the polls..

I'd sincerely hope that some people, who voted for MDHs might just ask why was so much vitriol and condescension directed at a percentage of people who actually turned out to vote and absolutely none at the majority of Irish people who didn't bother!

What kind of a democracy do we really have here if you can't comfortably express an opinion??

Redneck Culchie · 01-11-2018 07:35PM

I have seen FG and FF councillors agree with Caseys view in recent days. But the TDs and leadership of those parties are a different story, gutless and scared to do anything the Irish Times disagree with. Maybe we may have some luck in local and MEP elections with more straight talkers.

Unfortunately my area looks like the same old FF/FG/SF garbage next time in the general election unless things change.

FrancieBrady · 01-11-2018 07:36PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'd sincerely hope that some people, who voted for MDHs might just ask why was so much vitriol and condescension directed at a percentage of people who actually turned out to vote and absolutely none at the majority of Irish people who didn't bother!

What kind of a democracy do we really have here if you can't comfortably express an opinion??

TBH I have never heard so much whinging from any group or cohort of the electorate than I have heard from Casey supporters.
His opinion on travellers was robustly challenged and he rowed back on it ('I don't want to be elected on the basis of my traveller comments')and fell apart under questioning in the debate.

Get over it folks.

fxotoole · 01-11-2018 07:39PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I don't think Casey is polished enough to take over Renua and lead the party in a general election

They are starting from a very very low base

Agreed. He’s a very poor leader. He was squirming when asked difficult questions on the Presidential debates. He can’t even form a coherent well thought out sentence when put under pressure.

Plus he needs to scrub up better. Physically, he comes across well dodgy and needs to be groom better to be taken seriously.

He’s just not credible at all in any sense.

Redneck Culchie · 01-11-2018 07:44PM

Fact Casey isn't a good speaker and still got 24% of the vote says everything.

Imagine if there is a good speaker?

fxotoole · 01-11-2018 07:50PM

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

Fact Casey isn't a good speaker and still got 24% of the vote says everything.

Imagine if there is a good speaker?

The other 76% of the electorate saw sense and rejected him. And rightly so.

freshpopcorn · 01-11-2018 07:54PM

fxotoole wrote: »

The other 76% of the electorate saw sense and rejected him. And rightly so.

Fact a man that was on 2% on the opinion polls jumped over 20% in over a week after making a comment.

Silentcorner · 01-11-2018 07:54PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

TBH I have never heard so much whinging from any group or cohort of the electorate than I have heard from Casey supporters.
His opinion on travellers was robustly challenged and he rowed back on it ('I don't want to be elected on the basis of my traveller comments')and fell apart under questioning in the debate.

Get over it folks.

I have honestly never seen a reaction like this in media to any candidate in any election, and I have always had a small bit of sympathy for how Sinn Fein have been treated over the last 10 years or so (verses for instance FF who get away with murder)

I've lost count how many articles have describe me and Casey voters as some kind of bigoted/racist/backward/knuckle dragger.

It doesn't bother me one jot such is the depth of disdain I have for Irish media I have taken great enjoyment playing a tiny tiny tiny part in those getting their knickers in a twist!

All an all its been a great couple of weeks!!!

The Bishop Basher · 01-11-2018 07:55PM

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

Fact Casey isn't a good speaker and still got 24% of the vote says everything.

Imagine if there is a good speaker?

Enda managed to wing it with zero charisma or debating ability for years..

I think what he says is more important then how he says it..

I don’t know him so wouldn’t write him off.. I assume he created his own wealth so he’s no fool. I also believe he accepted that he has areas he needs to work on..

His honesty is one of his most likeable traits.

Time will tell.

omega man · 01-11-2018 07:55PM

fxotoole wrote: »

The other 76% of the electorate saw sense and rejected him. And rightly so.

Yeah 1 to 23% in a week is rejection.

tayto lover · 01-11-2018 08:10PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

TBH I have never heard so much whinging from any group or cohort of the electorate than I have heard from Casey supporters.
His opinion on travellers was robustly challenged and he rowed back on it ('I don't want to be elected on the basis of my traveller comments')and fell apart under questioning in the debate.

Get over it folks.

23.3 percent isn't much of a row back Francie.
Casey isn't much of a politician alright and won't make a life in politics imo but you're shooting the messenger with your comments. It's the message that matters in this case and not the messenger.
He has succeeded in highlighting the issues that matter to many people particularly those in rural areas and middle income workers who pay for all those people who don't get up in the mornings.
You really need to suck it up.

FrancieBrady · 01-11-2018 08:25PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I have honestly never seen a reaction like this in media to any candidate in any election, and I have always had a small bit of sympathy for how Sinn Fein have been treated over the last 10 years or so (verses for instance FF who get away with murder)

I've lost count how many articles have describe me and Casey voters as some kind of bigoted/racist/backward/knuckle dragger.

It doesn't bother me one jot such is the depth of disdain I have for Irish media I have taken great enjoyment playing a tiny tiny tiny part in those getting their knickers in a twist!

All an all its been a great couple of weeks!!!

This is becoming a bit of a myth. There has been very few articles describing Casey voters in those terms.

Over reacting and whinging because stereo-typing misinformation and mistruths are being challenged.

Casey made comments that he couldn't support or back up and those who went into his defence are now crying because they were debunked.
I don't think I heard a single commentator use the word 'racist' or 'bigoted' in connection with Casey supporters. And I listen to talk radio, almost all day everyday. Not saying it didn't happen, just that it didn't happen 'countless' times. Calm down folks.

Spanish Eyes · 01-11-2018 08:27PM

SF lost, Casey won.

I do realise that MDH got the Presidency AGAIN, even though he said never again. Backed up by all the parties that wanted to keep their war chest for the General Election.

Could be interesting going forward.

AlekSmart · 01-11-2018 08:29PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

TBH I have never heard so much whinging from any group or cohort of the electorate than I have heard from Casey supporters.
His opinion on travellers was robustly challenged and he rowed back on it ('I don't want to be elected on the basis of my traveller comments')and fell apart under questioning in the debate.

Get over it folks.

......WoW !

Worry not Francie,folks have long since "gotten over it"......Perhaps we were getting different Irish Media feeds,but to suggest that Casey "fell apart under questioning" simply does not stack up.

His final tally of votes after his "falling apart" can't be explained if your diagnosis is to stand......

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/presidential-election--results-by-constituency-881461.html

342,736.....in voting terms,and particularly in Irish elections this is incredible stuff,but never fear,we're "getting over it"

It's worth recalling that Casey was,by no means,cut any slack by the great & good of the Irish Media,virtually all of whom went into full on crazy mode at Casey actually mentioning the term Traveller...it did not matter then,nor does it now,what Casey actually said,but merely mentioning the group was enough to send the media rushing off in search of lighted tapers and gibbets.

Incredibly,even when faced with the biggest and baddest of Irelands Media Inquisitors,Casey remained steadfast,and certainly failed to "row-back",even under the sniffiest of condesending critique from the Glitterati of Irelands media.

What Casey does now,is to an extent irrelevant,as he has done what NO other Irish Social or Political figure had managed to do in over 4 decades...Casey Talked Straight,and in so doing struck the fear of Gawd into 99% of Ireland's Political establishment,which has become enmeshed in Political Science graduate inspired guff from our "Centres of Excellence" (formerly Universities I believe ?).

I'd personally give Casey a pension right now,purely on his contribution so far,and without him ever opening his gob again,for services rendered to Irish Democracy.

It's truly bizzarre to witness the depth of resistance to this Democracy thing,along with the need to redirect the voters gaze elsewhere...anywhere,except down d'country.....:)

In the meantime,the issues raised by,and streaming from Casey's candidature,are now,finally gettin some media attention...

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/one-day-someone-will-flip-farmers-issue-warning-to-trespassers/

Apart from what the trespassers do on the land, Laurence highlighted that the other big issue is the concern that such people are scouting land looking for farm property such as machinery that could be stolen.

“There’s been a heap of stolen property. Livestock has been stolen as well; that’s how bad it has got – and, to be honest, we have been forgotten by the Gardai.

“We’ve been forgotten that there’s actually a rural Fingal and there’s a rural part of north Co. Dublin that has been not policed in recent years, and these guys know this – and they can get away with it. So it’s time that we put a stop to it.”

Laurence believes that the Gardai know the criminals behind the thefts but said that they told him they couldn’t do a whole lot, adding that the guards won’t follow through.

I wonder why ????

But,Francie is correct,some 342,736 voters (in excess of 10% of the entire electorate !) ARE getting over it...thanks for the help Francie

!

FrancieBrady · 01-11-2018 08:37PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

......WoW !

Worry not Francie,folks have long since "gotten over it"......Perhaps we were getting different Irish Media feeds,but to suggest that Casey "fell apart under questioning" simply does not stack up.

His final tally of votes after his "falling apart" can't be explained if your diagnosis is to stand......

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/presidential-election--results-by-constituency-881461.html

342,736.....in voting terms,and particularly in Irish elections this is incredible stuff,but never fear,we're "getting over it"

It's worth recalling that Casey was,by no means,cut any slack by the great & good of the Irish Media,virtually all of whom went into full on crazy mode at Casey actually mentioning the term Traveller...it did not matter then,nor does it now,what Casey actually said,but merely mentioning the group was enough to send the media rushing off in search of lighted tapers and gibbets.

Incredibly,even when faced with the biggest and baddest of Irelands Media Inquisitors,Casey remained steadfast,and certainly failed to "row-back",even under the sniffiest of condesending critique from the Glitterati of Irelands media.

What Casey does now,is to an extent irrelevant,as he has done what NO other Irish Social or Political figure had managed to do in over 4 decades...Casey Talked Straight,and in so doing struck the fear of Gawd into 99% of Ireland's Political establishment,which has become enmeshed in Political Science graduate inspired guff from our "Centres of Excellence" (formerly Universities I believe ?).

I'd personally give Casey a pension right now,purely on his contribution so far,and without him ever opening his gob again,for services rendered to Irish Democracy.

It's truly bizzarre to witness the depth of resistance to this Democracy thing,along with the need to redirect the voters gaze elsewhere...anywhere,except down d'country.....:)

In the meantime,the issues raised by,and streaming from Casey's candidature,are now,finally gettin some media attention...

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/one-day-someone-will-flip-farmers-issue-warning-to-trespassers/

I wonder why ????

But,Francie is correct,some 342,736 voters (in excess of 10% of the entire electorate !) ARE getting over it...thanks for the help Francie !

This is just more mythmaking.

Casey was a whimpering mess on Aine Lawlor's radio show when he said that he did not want to be elected President on the basis of his traveller comments.

How much more evidence of a 'row back' do you need? He doubled down on that when he said his comments on travellers did not, in his opinion, get him his votes.
When questioned on what extra rights SEMS gave travellers, he was shambolic, stuttering out 'benefits' to a panel who gleefully tore him a new one.

But so enamoured is his support, they can joyfully ignore the lack of back up.

Spanish Eyes · 01-11-2018 08:41PM

Casey just has to be there, maybe make the odd comment about joining this or that party (which by all accounts drives them mad) and enjoy it now.

I have never heard a politician say things straight, get a humungous vote for honesty, and troll and enjoy the result.

The so called real politicians here must be bricking it now. Woo hoo. About time.

pumpkin4life · 01-11-2018 08:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This is becoming a bit of a myth. There has been very few articles describing Casey voters in those terms.

I call it Casey Derangement Syndrome.

oceanman · 01-11-2018 09:00PM

tayto lover wrote: »

23.3 percent isn't much of a row back Francie.
Casey isn't much of a politician alright and won't make a life in politics imo but you're shooting the messenger with your comments. It's the message that matters in this case and not the messenger.
He has succeeded in highlighting the issues that matter to many people particularly those in rural areas and middle income workers who pay for all those people who don't get up in the mornings.
You really need to suck it up.

but surely with unemployment at an all time low there cant be many of "those people who don't get up early in the morning" ?

sydthebeat · 01-11-2018 09:04PM

Any political party that gets 23% in any vote would be king makers here in Ireland

Spanish Eyes · 01-11-2018 09:06PM

oceanman wrote: »

but surely with unemployment at an all time low there cant be many of "those people who don't get up early in the morning" ?

Only if they want to, those who don't obviously laugh at those who do, and those that pay for them also.

FrancieBrady · 01-11-2018 09:07PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Nine Anti Peter Casey articles by The Irish Times in the space of four days, all with what went wrong with Casey and Casey voters.

Those are articles challenging Casey's opinion.

Is your 'Caseytopia' a place where his opinion cannot be challenged? No thanks if it is.
His opinion is going to be challenged, you have gotta stop playing the victim about it, and man or woman up.

pumpkin4life · 01-11-2018 09:16PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Those are articles challenging Casey's opinion.

Is your 'Caseytopia' a place where his opinion cannot be challenged? No thanks if it is.
His opinion is going to be challenged, you have gotta stop playing the victim about it, and man or woman up.

I don't even like or agree with Casey on most things, although my opinion of him has definitely gone up since then.

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Casey's a pretty poor if not a completely awful candidate in a lot of ways, and you're right about a lot of this.

But. Here's the thing.

A Casey upswing will drive a lot of the leading politicians/journalist/NPCs nuts, and will represent a leader figure, out there who spoke the truth about this one thing, not a hypocrite, socialist sponger who lied about the LearJet on TV so that he can sponge off the Irish population for seven more years. More people will at the very least, be encouraged by this and will respond to this in a positive manner, as is happening right now.

We especially need this, because truth be told, Ireland is in a state of decline right now, and people need to call out what is going on for what it is.

Only then can we fix it.

But when your national in decline sales wise (who are trying to get government funding) newspaper, runs nine anti-Casey articles without any balance in the space of four days, you know you've stirred up something.

My prediction about the Casey upswing seems to have come true as well.

AlekSmart · 01-11-2018 09:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This is just more mythmaking.

Casey was a whimpering mess on Aine Lawlor's radio show when he said that he did not want to be elected President on the basis of his traveller comments.

How much more evidence of a 'row back' do you need? He doubled down on that when he said his comments on travellers did not, in his opinion, get him his votes.
When questioned on what extra rights SEMS gave travellers, he was shambolic, stuttering out 'benefits' to a panel who gleefully tore him a new one.

But so enamoured is his support, they can joyfully ignore the lack of back up.

Crikey Francie...Casey really HAS gotten under your skin has'nt he ?

Or perhaps it's not actually Casey himself,but the 342,000 individuals who gave him a first preference vote,even with his,panel supplied "new one".

I wonder how the preferences would have worked out...perhaps that might have put matters right ? ...almost ?.......kinda ?.......

Mind you,you have the knack of pulling the right word out of the ether....

JOYFULLY

Worth basking in.......begins at 2%,and barely ten days later out of de bluez hit's 21%...........Ode to JOY,Francie a chairde...ode to JOY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbJcQYVtZMo

Spanish Eyes · 01-11-2018 09:18PM

Casey will be silenced by our wonderfully impartial media.

They have been told to silence him, and they will. RTE I'm watching you. Well I can choose to read other MSM but I have no choice with RTE because of the license fee.

Spanish Eyes · 01-11-2018 09:22PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Any political party that gets 23% in any vote would be king makers here in Ireland

Cue, silence and manipulation. Can people not see through this?

AlekSmart · 01-11-2018 09:27PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Casey will be silenced by our wonderfully impartial media.

They have been told to silence him, and they will. RTE I'm watching you.

By far and away the most satisfying element to the Casey campaign,is just how it caught-out the mainstream Irish Media,particularly the RTE-IrishTimes axis of weevil.

That 20% figure,342,000 First Preference votes....has really presented them with the most difficult of conundrums possible....how to retain their credibility and maintain a pretence of informing,and reflecting the views of their readers/viewers/listeners.

One only has to peep into the vast fiery,doom laden conflagration,that is Fintan O Toole's vista of Post Casey Ireland,to see how wrong they called it,not for the first time either,BUT the first time they have been found out....:)

There's only one way to recover from this,for the sitting Media tenants,and that is to comprehensively rewrite histry....a process which,I imagine,is already in hand

FrancieBrady · 01-11-2018 09:36PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Crikey Francie...Casey really HAS gotten under your skin has'nt he ?

Or perhaps it's not actually Casey himself,but the 342,000 individuals who gave him a first preference vote,even with his,panel supplied "new one".

I wonder how the preferences would have worked out...perhaps that might have put matters right ? ...almost ?.......kinda ?.......

Mind you,you have the knack of pulling the right word out of the ether....

JOYFULLY

Worth basking in.......begins at 2%,and barely ten days later out of de bluez hit's 21%...........Ode to JOY,Francie a chairde...ode to JOY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbJcQYVtZMo

And some people know how easy that is to do, because it has historic resonances. Get on a populist hate pulpit and start preaching = easy votes.
I require my media to be critical of such stunts btw. So no surprise here when they are.

Galwayguy35 · 01-11-2018 09:41PM

middelsburgh wrote: »

Dr Kelly made some good points

Like what?

She wanted to close down the discussion whinging that the subject shouldn't even be talked about and then came out with pc bullsh1t saying she would have no problem living next to travellers.

She's just another leftie hypocrite.

At least Niamh Horan was honest about what she thought.

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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