Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

PlaneSpeeking

nullzero wrote: »

Conceptually.

I can't say if want a beer if I don't know what a beer is, stop putting unrealistic expectations on my shoulders.

See if you had a pub you'd know and could tell others! :D:D

Deebles McBeebles

listermint wrote: »

But he is a snake oils salesman,

He said something to get votes, The job at hand has no impact on the subject he spoke about, And yes he took it straight out of the trump playbook. (he lives in the states so is immersed in the subject matter)

You don't know that, neither do I.

listermint wrote: »

He was never going to do anything with it should he have won the vote. He would sidestep that subject had he got into office and you'd hear no more about it.

If thats not selling people air, then i dont know what is.

Like all politicians, yeah. That's why I suggested he do something useful.

listermint

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Some of the things posted at you have gone too far yes but you're not shy of sticking a few sly digs in yourself so maybe come down off the horse.

examples needed please.

I have not name called anyone

I have not told anyone that they cant spell.

I have not told anyone that they need to go back to primary education

I have not told anyone that they are lying.

I have not questioned peoples sanity.


But sure thats the level of response you can expect from people that are outraged about something that id garner they have no real expertise in.

nullzero

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

See if you had a pub you'd know and could tell others! :D:D

Listermint is barred for being obtuse.

DavidLyons_

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

No I do not own a pub. However, I am perfectly capable of honestly answering an hypothetical question without deflection.

I dunno why everyone's being weird about this. I'll answer honestly. I got a few pubs when I was about 12 years old.

listermint

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Losing it now - everyone who lives in the USA is "immersed in Trump" ?

Must tell the cousins over there, they'll get a kick out of that.

Why did you quote something different to what i said ?

Who said immersed in trump ?

Americans are immersed in american politics right now, are you arguing against that? I suggest chatting to your cousins then, might not get the response you want.

Again why do you change posts to words i didnt write, seems to be a tactic deployed here regularly.

givyjoe

listermint wrote: »

There are 2 halting sites beside me,

Lets get a bit factual here.

The first is approx 1km due north. The second is approx 4km due east of that.

So what else do you want to discuss ?

Speaking of facts, I didn't see an answer to my question.

Where do you live by the way?

listermint

listermint wrote: »

He was never going to do anything with it should he have won the vote. He would sidestep that subject had he got into office and you'd hear no more about it.

That all sounds quite... hypothetical.

listermint

nullzero wrote: »

Listermint is barred for being obtuse.

Is it my insensitivity or my empathy thats doing that ?


The Irony of the statement considering the subject matter.



Not lost.

PlaneSpeeking

listermint wrote: »

examples needed please.

I have not name called anyone

I have not told anyone that they cant spell.

I have not told anyone that they need to go back to primary education

I have not told anyone that they are lying.

I have not questioned peoples sanity.


But sure thats the level of response you can expect from people that are outraged about something that id garner they have no real expertise in.

Posts #8551, #8555, #8585, #8587 and #8589. All contains sly digs from you to others.

I got bored reading the nonsense after that.

listermint

givyjoe wrote: »

Speaking of facts, I didn't see an answer to my question.

Where do you live by the way?

Wicklow,


why ? you coming to get me with your outrage pose ?

I used to live in Tallaght there are halting sites all over the place.

what time should i expect you ?

listermint

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Posts #8551, #8555, #8585, #8587 and #8589. All contains sly digs from you to others.

I got bored reading the nonsense after that.

Can you link them or did you just number them so they could not be quickly referenced ?

PlaneSpeeking

listermint wrote: »

Why did you quote something different to what i said ?

Who said immersed in trump ?

Americans are immersed in american politics right now, are you arguing against that? I suggest chatting to your cousins then, might not get the response you want.

Again why do you change posts to words i didnt write, seems to be a tactic deployed here regularly.

Your ACTUAL words!

He said something to get votes, The job at hand has no impact on the subject he spoke about, And yes he took it straight out of the trump playbook. (he lives in the states so is immersed in the subject matter)

I give up trying to debate with you, it's like herding kittens. But way WAY less cute!

listermint

listermint wrote: »

I have not name called anyone

I have not told anyone that they cant spell.

I have not told anyone that they need to go back to primary education

I have not told anyone that they are lying.

I have not questioned peoples sanity.


But sure thats the level of response you can expect from people that are outraged about something that id garner they have no real expertise in.

All you do is call people outraged. You're no better than anyone else for mud slinging. (Not literally slinging mud, before we go off on a tangent.)

PlaneSpeeking

Omackeral wrote: »

All you do is call people outraged. You're no better than anyone else for mud slinging. (Not literally slinging mud, before we go off on a tangent.)

Hypothetically slinging mud ?

nullzero

listermint wrote: »

Is it my insensitivity or my empathy thats doing that ?


The Irony of the statement considering the subject matter.



Not lost.

The irony of your officially tested empathy not being applicable to a simple question that requires empathy to answer is more glaringly obvious.

You never addressed my other post about how answering the question honestly would scupper your argument. You're something of an artful dodger aren't you?

tretorn

middelsburgh wrote: »

i have reported the racist anti traveller posts in this threads but the moderators are not sanctiuoning the offenders

for example i reported post 7275 and it stll has no red card

There are no racist anti traveller posts in this thread.

People are describing the effects travellers have on their lives and trying in some cases to explain the popularity of Casey, a totally unknown individual who managed in some constituencies to get more votes that the cuddly teddy who has spent the last seven years in the ARas and to be honest apart from writing terrible poetry seems to have nothing to show for the salary and perks that go with this job.

Can you not understand a lot of people are exasperated about criminality in the travelling community and even more annoyed that they seem to be untouchable.

Why do you want this conversation shut down.

givyjoe

listermint wrote: »

Wicklow,


why ? you coming to get me with your outrage pose ?

I used to live in Tallaght there are halting sites all over the place.

what time should i expect you ?

My outrage post?! Are you confusing me with someone else?!:eek:

I would ask are you on the sauce today but I know about your aversion to spending time in pubs.

Still haven't answered my question on whether you have a problem with it, or would have a problem with more.

Seen as you supposedly lived in Tallaght, I'd have thought it would be easy to see why one may have a problem with them. If you can't think of any reasons why, perhaps do a bit of googling into the objections to proposed halting sites, in more 'leafy' parts of Dublin. Or for kicks, take a wander through one of them one day and see what happens to you, perhaps take a few snaps at the state of the place to really get things going.

Deebles McBeebles

listermint wrote: »

examples needed please.

Will in me hoop. You're perfectly capable of reading through your own posts.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Posts #8551, #8555, #8585, #8587 and #8589. All contains sly digs from you to others.

I got bored reading the nonsense after that.

Cheers!

listermint wrote: »

Wicklow,


why ? you coming to get me with your outrage pose ?

I used to live in Tallaght there are halting sites all over the place.

what time should i expect you ?

Ah here. I've some Tallaght folk (not the good kind) living close by, I can see why your expectations would be lower than others.

Mr. CooL ICE

Mod: listermint previously threadbanned. Now lifted.

Also, no more grammar naziism from anybody. There has been a lot on both sides but going forward, it's zero tolerance. Grammar nazis add nothing to the debate.

And lastly, for the love of all that is mighty, stop talking about pubs!

Deebles McBeebles

Can I ask DSVC, was the grammar naziism the reason it was closed?

We're only talking hypothetically about pubs

Mr. CooL ICE

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Can I ask DSVC, was the grammar naziism the reason it was closed?

We're only talking hypothetically about pubs

No. The closure was because reported posts were coming in faster than I could read the thread. Closed it because it seemed to be getting out of hand.

I understand the hypotheticalness (that's definitely a word), but it was getting ridiculously out of hand and was centered around a poster that can no longer post here.

Skylinehead

I believe the technical term is hypotheticosity.

Deebles McBeebles

Nixonbot wrote: »

I believe the technical term is hypotheticosity.

Is that when your hypothesis feels grainy in your mouth?

Deebles McBeebles

Failed presidential candidate Peter Casey will be invited to join RENUA Ireland leader and Laois Offaly candidate and Offaly County Councillor John Leahy and replace him as the party's leader.

Peter Casey emerged from the pack to finish second to Michael D Higgins with over 20% of the vote with 340,000 votes across the country. Mr Casey received 8,419 votes in Laois and 9,253 votes in Offaly.

Mr Casey had been polling at 2% before making controversial comments about the ethnic status of travellers and labelling them "people living on other people's land."

Cllr Leahy, who is likely to be a Laois Offaly candidate at the next General Election, said he would be reaching out to Mr Casey.


"We're reaching out to Peter Casey because we believe he's in line with what we're saying, particularly on three of six of our core pillars, namely taxpayers first, entrepreneurship and law and order," Cllr Leahy told the Offaly Express.

"He's touched on law and order in terms of the traveller movement and from our point of view, we believe he was honest in what he was saying. We don't believe he was anti-traveller in any shape or form, but at least he was honest and reflecting what's actually happening on the ground," said Cllr Leahy.

The Offaly man sits on the Traveller Accommodation Committee.

"I've said this for two or three years at committee level that the way a small proportion of travellers carry on is disgraceful."

"You can't have a situation where there is an element of crime related to travellers, an element of illegal encampment and disregard for property and burning rubbish. There is one rule for the travellers and another rule for settled people, and that's the reality.

"I work with Travellers and don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Traveller, but what I'm saying is it's a reflection of what's happening on the ground, and people are looking for someone to come out and say that and he [Casey] came out and said it.

"But he said a lot more too, he spoke about taxpayers and entrepreneurship and I feel like people felt it was a breath of fresh air and decided they were going to reward him for his honesty and bravery in coming out," said Cllr Leahy added.

Speaking about the surprising level of the vote around Ireland for Peter Casey, Leahy said: "There is a message in that and it's that rural middle Ireland are sick to the teeth of everything going on at the moment, they're seeing ethnic minority groups getting status, making no contribution, not them all now but the vast majority, and people are absolutely sick of it."

"They're working every day, they're listening to Fine Gael's spin that the economy is recovering and they're looking after people who get up early in the morning. The reason they are getting up early in the morning is to sit on a motorway and to get an extra fiver a week in their pay packet in 2019, that's the reality."

Cllr Leahy suggested rural crime is another reason people voted for Peter Casey.

"Renua is strong on crime and we believe repeat offenders and anyone stepping out of line needs to be dealt with severely. Judges are not being tough enough and the people are suffering, especially in rural Ireland," he said.

Cllr Leahy said he thinks Peter Casey aligns with RENUA on these issues to a large extent and that he would welcome him to the party. He also said that if it came to it and Peter Casey had a mandate and the members of the party wanted him as leader, he wouldn't stand in his way and he would remain in the party in support of Peter Casey.

He aims to make contact with the Presidential runner-up in the coming weeks.

The Bishop Basher

I'm not sure how I feel about Renua but regardless things have just got very interesting

Deebles McBeebles

Rennaws wrote: »

I'm not sure how I feel about Renua but regardless things have just got very interesting

Same here. They seemed to be another party of same old sh*t and probably will turn out to be but Leahy makes some good points.

I dunno maybe its all just a publicity stunt to try garner the votes that Casey got.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Renua are a joke.

blinding

At leasts we know from now on that all the Wealthy people on our Media are crying out for Travellers near them .

Halting site Planners have been given the ‘ Go Ahead Nod "

ELM327

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Renua are a joke.

They have been up to now anyway.
Perhaps Casey can make it something. 23% of the vote in a week is pretty impressive.