The rise of fascism in the 21st Century

Goodshape wrote: »

It has nothing much to do with being stupid. Group thinking
and mob mentality just has a way of snowballing, and the methods used to manipulate opinion are highly sophisticated.




Yes, people are unhappy. There's corruption in politics and business. The rich are unthinkably rich while the rest of us stagnate. And for that were blaming... The poor and the even less well off?



The existence of "sides" as you put it is the fiction I'm referring to. We're fighting amongst ourselves for some scraps from the masters table.

Group-think, of course, is an issue. But you cant simply fool people to that extent without some strong foundational evidence, usually of the kind that is seen day to day.

While the argument of rich versus poor is true, and the divisions it causes are real, there are many more reasons at play here, from basic biological imperative to anti-science masqueraded as fact. The focus on rich-poor has been exaggerated too much, and presented as a cure-all.

Perhaps one way to put it is in terms of progress. Progress is the single largest part of happiness. Whereas people before (the "good old times", SOMETIMES misplaced) could get married, get a stable job with security, buy a home and have children without undue stress, these fundamentals of life have been scuppered. In a word, globalisation has screwed everything. Tied to globalisation is immigration, wealth distribution from previously rapidly improving countries to now-developing countries (Europe and USA to China and india for example), the staunch dogma of "minority above majority".....it all boils down to a fundamental kick to balls of a progressing life, and therefore happiness. We are moving backwards in the most necessary ways. How long until tenements are back?!

What is happening is a kickback against all of it, every single part, whether it be actual immigrants themselves, politicians almost deifying minorities, international mega corporrations, increasing costs.....they'll all be attacked together. Because they have been all lauded together! That's the target now, literally set-up by its proponents in the first place. Its too late to try and sort out the good bits from the bad bits, it has earned the reputation of all bad.

Some billionaire spreading out his wealth isn't going to fix this. What happens next is not important, not as important as WHY it happened. A sincere lesson for the next cycle.

Frunchy wrote: »

Did you just presume my gender?

Grease the guillotine quick.

Dunno what term people understand less around here - "fascism" or "Liberal".

None of the leaders or people mentioned in the OP are fascist. There are no fascist leaders in the Western civilsation. And fascism doesn't mean "not liberal" in the same way "liberal" doesn't mean socialist, or Marxist or Communist.

At least moustaches will be in fashion again

Stephen15 wrote:

Marriages tend to be between similar types of people in similar situations. Professionals will typically marry fellow professionals and low income earners will tend to marry other low income earners. It's fairly basic demographics. Fact of the matter is the HSE can't retain indigenous Irish staff due to poor pay and conditions and other factors such our high rents etc. When did I mention our generous welfare system is anything to do with forgeiners. I don't blame forgeiners I blame our government for not doing enough for our own. It also wouldn't surprise me if the qualifications held by persons coming from third world countries are of a lower standard than Irish/Western qualifications.

I don't dispute that marriages tend to be between people from similar socio economic groups, what happens in practice though is one person I the marriage gets a critical skills permit, and the other doesn't, they find it hard to get interviews because of their stamp 3 status or their qualifications are non transferable and they have to take lower income work because they need to make ends meet

Stephen15 wrote:

The problem we can't be fully sure of these people's backgrounds particularly from migrants coming from countries whom our government dosen't have ties with but also ideologies and cultures coming into our country which aren't compatible particularly coming from the religion of Islam.

People coming from middle Eastern countries go through a longer visa screening process than those coming from the likes of South America, most South Americans don't need a visa at all to enter the country.
Do you think the government just throws open the gates for people from countries we don't have treaties with? Typically people from non treaty countries will have to wait 4-5 months and have secured a job offer paying more than the average wage to be allowed to come here.

Stephen15 wrote:

I didn't say these people could work in jobs that require qualifications they could however work in petrol stations, in shops and as taxi drivers. Fact most coming in with qualifications would be from first world countries which are easier to assimilate into our culture than those from those from the third world. Fact of the matter is it is easier for Pierre an IT developer from France to integrate than Ahmed with no qualifications from Bangladesh.

Pierre is an EU citizen he can come here regardless of his job or qualification he could be homeless and if he arrives at the border we will let him in. Ahmed has to apply for a visa, in that he has to prove he has the means to support himself on arrival to Ireland. He also needs a work permit he needs to supply documentary evidence of his skills and qualifications, proof that he has secured a job offer and it pays more than x amount, if he arrives at the border without these he won't make it to the arrivals hall.

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Certainly is worrying with the rise of populist. As said previously populist can be left and right. Think chaves and orban.

The worry is populists are anti pluralists. The rhetoric of being the only way forward and any dissenting opinion should be considered illegitimate should concern any democracy.

and casey has just proved that little old ireland is susceptible to this nonsense to, prepare for weird **** to occur