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So Michael D IS running again!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    alaimacerc wrote: »
    That's in denial even of the basic logic of your own account, and of all rudimentary sociology.

    If you said "it's mostly their own fault" about some other disadvantaged group, at home, abroad, or in the past, it'd be an "I'm get me coat" moment in polite company. Travellers are the group it's socially acceptable to victimise, and then victim-blame.

    Being disadvantaged can be the root cause of many social ills for certain groups and discrimination can indeed reduce access to things like education. That said, no traveller had been denied access to education in my lifetime that I can remember because they were a Traveller.

    But being disadvantaged doesn't mean you get a free pass to litter and act anti social, to harbour criminality within the community or to treat animals poorly. These are charges that can be laid at many Traveller communities, not just the "small minority" pavee point would have you believe.

    So whose fault is it, that travellers find themselves on the margins? Surely there must be some self responsibility, because if travellers lived quietly and cleanly on the side of the road (even if they were all unemployed), I doubt many would care enough to get incensed by them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Thought Higgins came across terribly last night, he let himself down terribly with his (non?) Answers ref the jet, claimed he'd used it only a few times, then had to have his memory refreshed, and didn't give an answer at all, ref why he told lies surrounding the Belfast trip.

    Truth be told, I seen an angle to him i hadn't seen before, angry, condescending, and he had a look of arrogance at times that kind of suggested be was thinking to himself "who do these plebs think they're questioning, how very dare they!"

    He's not showing up tonight at all apparently, which I think is a bad move personally, I mean, god forbid someone drops of a clanger on him tonight, true or not, he'd be better off being able to defend it in person.

    What with the established party's wanting him to enjoy an unchallenged coronation, I'll she'd no tears if he is ousted.

    He's had his time, 77 is a grand age to retire and enjoy his millions.

    While I think he's the best man for the job, the idea of Gallagher representing the country is horrifying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    I merely quoted your attempt to validate the comparison between bankers and travelers. If that wasn't your intent, fair enough.

    It certainly was not my attempt, I even explicitly said it wasn't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Thought mdh was good. I suppose fine gael not putting forward a candidate and endorsing the best man for the job just riles up a few people on the island.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Hurrache wrote: »
    It certainly was not my attempt, I even explicitly said it wasn't.

    It read like you did, 'not all bankers'. Reads like comparing an industry to a people.
    It follows on from a post wondering why you can't lay a claim on all travelers but nobody defends Bankers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    What is very enjoyable about all this is how the Irish media are reacting to it.

    It has gone from being the most one sided race in Irish political history to being a much closer affair (if the bookies odds are anything to go by), and yet the media are not framing it that way...one official poll would give us all a good indicator but strangely enough, we haven't seen a poll since Peter Casey went off message last week.

    I have heard media commentators across the media landscape, from RTE to Newstalk, heap insult after insult on Peter Casey, it's like they don't want to accept how irrelevant they have become, or more likely, they do not want to accept how a fairly significant percentage of Irish people have nothing but disdain for Irish media or why!

    There is a very good chance, that come Saturday morning, the Political Establishment, Irish media will get a very strong slap in the face, if they do not understand why, they run the risk of FF type irreverence over the next ten years!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 63 ✭✭Hhugedick


    Why do you think Gallagher is so bad? I think he comes across as very honest and intellectual. Got badly shafted 7 years ago by rte. I think mdh is just to old at 77, terrible thing to say but he may die in office which I think is terrible. I'll be voting for Sean Gallagher but of course I know he hasn't got the numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭Adamcp898


    Wasn't a great night for anyone, truth be told.

    Didn't think McCullagh was all that great tbh. I know most people won't watch all the TV debates, never mind listen to the radio ones as well, but he must've borrowed Cormac's copy book because it was all old ground already covered with room added for Peter's new stuff. Didn't appear to be taking it too seriously at times either, and I know most of us aren't, but surely at least the moderator has to put on a stern veneer and offer the illusion that this is worth anyone's time. And oh Christ, how can I forget resting the skeptical hand on his chin only to cover his mic and muffle his questions............constantly. Having Seanin ask him to stop calling them Dragon's was a highlight though, along with Ireland's Fittest Family.

    Freeman with her usual "Let me have a go now, I haven't spoke in while" shtick. Bizarrely managed to fudge the Office responsibilities questions again, after being asked the exact same ones by O'hEadhra in the radio debate. But in saying that most of them didn't score 100% here either with aid of the re-sit. She did get one thing right when she commented that she still didn't understand just what any of the 3 'civic benefactors' actually wanted to do.

    LNR had the biggest hiccup of the night. First having a non-argument about her children being brought into her public life........by bringing up her children to try and explain away her daft logic yet again. She finally gave up the "poor, marginalised me" trope as well, but I guess perhaps even she didn't have the neck to mention it after her trying to pass of her salary as the average industrial wage.

    Michael D really isn't taking this all that seriously I feel. He knows that he only has one attack to prepare for, the old Lear and Geneva one-two, but he still can't come up with any better answers than trying to explain all this great work he and the IDA somehow do when they're in-and-around the jet and penthouse suite. Still he's the only one that seems able to say three consecutive sentences without pausing to correct himself or collect his thoughts, I guess the bar has been set.

    SG4Pres2k112k18 - Still don't know what he's trying to do. His pre-prepared monologue about how he took a massive bullet for us all when he took RTE to task for THE tweet was cringe-worthy. And he managed to follow it up by talking about this great commercial business of his as if it was the panacea to all the country's woes and the gift of the Presidency is the least we could offer in return. Wondering how long he was sitting on the "Imagination not Legislation" line..........

    Mr PC - His usual entertaining self. The debates so far all seem to have followed the theme of "ask barely relevant question after question until one of the Dragons gets bored and has a swipe at someone" - Peter's usually the safe bet. +1 for giving the wife a job just to keep him on his toes.

    Duffy - Not the first time he was asked how he would pay for this grand Youth Corps to rival MSF but yet still couldn't offer a convincing answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    What is very enjoyable about all this is how the Irish media are reacting to it.

    It has gone from being the most one sided race in Irish political history to being a much closer affair (if the bookies odds are anything to go by), and yet the media are not framing it that way...one official poll would give us all a good indicator but strangely enough, we haven't seen a poll since Peter Casey went off message last week.

    I have heard media commentators across the media landscape, from RTE to Newstalk, heap insult after insult on Peter Casey, it's like they don't want to accept how irrelevant they have become, or more likely, they do not want to accept how a fairly significant percentage of Irish people have nothing but disdain for Irish media or why!

    There is a very good chance, that come Saturday morning, the Political Establishment, Irish media will get a very strong slap in the face, if they do not understand why, they run the risk of FF type irreverence over the next ten years!!


    I don't think it is a close race at all. I think Casey will do better than 2%, but it is difficult to see him breaking the 10% barrier. He will pull votes from Gallagher, and probably cost Gallagher his deposit.

    Na Riadha is fighting Duffy for fourth spot, but I would be amazed if Higgins doesn't pull in more than 50%. Casey has hit a nerve with people, but he isn't the one to exploit it, it needs a cleverer politician than him.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Hhugedick wrote: »
    Why do you think Gallagher is so bad? I think he comes across as very honest and intellectual. Got badly shafted 7 years ago by rte. I think mdh is just to old at 77, terrible thing to say but he may die in office which I think is terrible. I'll be voting for Sean Gallagher but of course I know he hasn't got the numbers.

    Shafted? What part was untrue? The source, not the content.
    Honest? No, not really now. Intellectual? Possibly, not savvy any way.
    He's got ego issues and has not the appropriate character for the office.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I have heard media commentators across the media landscape, from RTE to Newstalk, heap insult after insult on Peter Casey, it's like they don't want to accept how irrelevant they have become, or more likely, they do not want to accept how a fairly significant percentage of Irish people have nothing but disdain for Irish media or why!

    There is a lot of nonsense being talked here about the media. If you assess last night's debate Casey was the one who probably sustained the least attack from the moderator. Largely because he is mostly a 'single issue' candidate.
    And that issue was done and dusted early because he bombed on it so spectacularly.

    He is taking insults because he ill thought out racially discriminating nonsense deserves insult.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Seriously? You're comparing an entire group of people to a (mostly) private, profit driven 'profession'?
    They are people interested in making money who choose to be in that profession. They are not beholden to you or I and even the regulator is taken with a pinch of salt.
    The banking industry played a major role in ruining the country. If you have a defence for that, have at it. Mind greedy is as greedy does.

    If that relates to 'all Irish are stupid', or ignorant Casey's 'all travelers just looking to get more money' etc. do tell.

    Yeah and travellers choose to beat their wives, inbreed, squat on public property?

    So you're saying it's fine to tar everyone with the same brush if they're in the private sector?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    RTE will release an exit poll on the Late Late, according to Gavan Reilly.

    I doubt that'll make anyone sit through the Late Late Show no matter how keen on politics they are.

    The Irish Times website beat RTE by over an hour the last time out.

    a much closer affair (if the bookies odds are anything to go by)

    Bookies' odds are nothing to go by. They're just trying to entice people to waste their money on a losing candidate.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I doubt that'll make anyone sit through the Late Late Show no matter how keen on politics they are.

    The Irish Times website beat RTE by over an hour the last time out.




    Bookies' odds are nothing to go by. They're just trying to entice people to waste their money on a losing candidate.

    Do you not think it is bizarre that we haven't seen a single official poll since last week?

    In truth, none of us have any idea what way Friday will go...


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    VinLieger wrote: »
    This is easily the stupidest thing said so far in relation to casey's remarks, and some seriously stupid stuff has been said

    Ah well, Casey said what we all think...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,035 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    What is very enjoyable about all this is how the Irish media are reacting to it.

    It has gone from being the most one sided race in Irish political history to being a much closer affair (if the bookies odds are anything to go by), and yet the media are not framing it that way...oyears!!

    Yeah MDH out as long as 1/33 with some bookies, too close to call I'd say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭circular flexing


    Do you not think it is bizarre that we haven't seen a single official poll since last week?

    In truth, none of us have any idea what way Friday will go...


    Well polling is a cost to the news outlet conducting it and maybe they don't want to waste money on a poll that will only show Michael D still well out in front.


    I read an "article" in the Mirror about Casey's odd shortening, it read like a regurgitated press release from Paddy Power.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Sycamore Tree


    Hhugedick wrote: »
    Why do you think Gallagher is so bad? I think he comes across as very honest and intellectual. Got badly shafted 7 years ago by rte. I think mdh is just to old at 77, terrible thing to say but he may die in office which I think is terrible. I'll be voting for Sean Gallagher but of course I know he hasn't got the numbers.
    Can you even give one reason to vote for Gallagher? What has he achieved in the last 7 years? I think he is the worst candidate in the race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Do you not think it is bizarre that we haven't seen a single official poll since last week?

    When the 'big question' is who will finish third, why would a media outlet waste their money?
    In truth, none of us have any idea what way Friday will go...

    Yes, will Duffy be last or will Freeman? Riveting stuff.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Rhineshark


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Ah well, Casey said what we all think...

    No, what *you* think.

    Again with "my opinion is OBVIOUSLY everyone's opinion"...

    I wonder how many more times I'll have to point out that no matter how obvious something seems to random person, said random person is not actually the entire Irish population.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭mrbrianj


    Hhugedick wrote: »
    Why do you think Gallagher is so bad? I think he comes across as very honest and intellectual. Got badly shafted 7 years ago by rte. I think mdh is just to old at 77, terrible thing to say but he may die in office which I think is terrible. I'll be voting for Sean Gallagher but of course I know he hasn't got the numbers.

    Honest and Intellectual are things I dont think he is.

    Honestly:
    1) I supported and help grew lots of small business over the last 7 years = I am a commercial landlord.
    2) I am a disability advocate = I did just enough to tick that box
    3) I was shafted by RTE's fake tweet = I made a bit on that one, and nobody even remembers that Hughie Morgan actually did a press conference.
    4) I only collected a little for FF = everybodies too scared of being sued to take that one on.
    5) I work hard for local community groups =I charged €5K a pop to GAA clubs for grant applications.

    Intellectual:
    Did you actually see his 60sec launch video?

    Everything is dressed as something noble when its just business and far from noble. It just comes across a fake and false. In the past he seemed like an open and honest person and people warmed to him, but this current incarnation is different. Maybe if he stopped trying so hard to be 'presidential' and ticking the ALL the right boxes and just be 'Sean Gallagher Ex Dragon' he'd have faired better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    What is very enjoyable about all this is how the Irish media are reacting to it.

    It has gone from being the most one sided race in Irish political history to being a much closer affair (if the bookies odds are anything to go by), and yet the media are not framing it that way...one official poll would give us all a good indicator but strangely enough, we haven't seen a poll since Peter Casey went off message last week.

    I have heard media commentators across the media landscape, from RTE to Newstalk, heap insult after insult on Peter Casey, it's like they don't want to accept how irrelevant they have become, or more likely, they do not want to accept how a fairly significant percentage of Irish people have nothing but disdain for Irish media or why!

    There is a very good chance, that come Saturday morning, the Political Establishment, Irish media will get a very strong slap in the face, if they do not understand why, they run the risk of FF type irreverence over the next ten years!!

    Hint - MDH's odds have shortened from 1/33 to 1/50 since Saturday, so the reason Casey's odds are shortening is because he might overtake Gallagher for runner-up. That's not to say either are guaranteed their deposits back, mind you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Hint - MDH's odds have shortened from 1/33 to 1/50 since Saturday, so the reason Casey's odds are shortening is because he might overtake Gallagher for runner-up. That's not to say either are guaranteed their deposits back, mind you.

    Bookies do very little business with short an odds on winner. That should make you suspicious as to what they are doing here. If Casey's odds get any better I might be 'tempted' to have a punt myself. And that is the point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    While I think he's the best man for the job, the idea of Gallagher representing the country is horrifying.

    I agree ref Gallagher, and the whole big farce the presidential election has descended into all comes back to the door of the establishment who tried to force a coronation rather than an election.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Bookies do very little business with short an odds on winner. That should make you suspicious as to what they are doing here. If Casey's odds get any better I might be 'tempted' to have a punt myself. And that is the point.

    You missed that ship Francie:pac:, I got him at 15€ @ 16-1 for 2nd, and then 75€ @ 4-1

    Also did him as the all out winners though I'm guessing the runner up spot is more realistic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,164 ✭✭✭Patser


    Does anyone know what Higgins engagement is tonight that means he can't make the debate? He escused himself weeks ago saying his itinerary is set, so it sounds like an official engagement but anyone any idea what/where it is that it couldn't be missed?

    Edit: sorry, bit of googling and I found it. He's in Donegal to meet supporters...... That's a fairly weak excuse. He'd made it sound like he was on official business and performing his duty, not on a campaign trail meeting

    https://donegalnews.com/2018/10/michael-d-higgins-to-meet-supporters-in-bundoran/


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,610 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Yeah ah come of it Sean "soared over giants in Croke Park, Every Euro in Cavan is a hostage" Gallagher is far from intellectual.

    Not a bad lad but not intellectual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Patser wrote: »
    Does anyone know what Higgins engagement is tonight that means he can't make the debate? He escused himself weeks ago saying his itinerary is set, so it sounds like an official engagement but anyone any idea what/where it is that it couldn't be missed?

    a jet to a 10 grand dog grooming session in Cuba id imagine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You missed that ship Francie:pac:, I got him at 15€ @ 16-1 for 2nd, and then 75€ @ 4-1

    Also did him as the all out winners though I'm guessing the runner up spot is more realistic.

    I wouldn'tbe spending anything yet Johnny. Get the Kleenex in too! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Mirafiori


    I agree ref Gallagher, and the whole big farce the presidential election has descended into all comes back to the door of the establishment who tried to force a coronation rather than an election.

    I don't see how the establishment are responsible for any of these candidates. Even Michael D is there on the basis of his own nomination. I do think the captions on the TV debates should indicate whose support has nominated each candidate to be Presidential candidates. In other words, which councils are responsible for which candidates (ditto the self nomination by Michael D and nomination of LNR by Sinn Féin members of Dáil Éireann).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    I wouldn'tbe spending anything yet Johnny. Get the Kleenex in too! :)

    Only gamble what you can afford to lose they say.

    I don't gamble as a rule , bar the token grand national bet annually, but I copped the interest in Casey's comments early, seen the way the media were going after him, seen Leo interfere and plead for people to not vote for him, and thought this could backfire, spectacularly (reminded me in the Paul Murphy and the water charges backlash) so lobbed a few quid on.

    I've not the money spent, no fear of that, but its keeping the whole thing interesting for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Patser wrote: »
    Does anyone know what Higgins engagement is tonight that means he can't make the debate? He escused himself weeks ago saying his itinerary is set, so it sounds like an official engagement but anyone any idea what/where it is that it couldn't be missed?

    Edit: sorry, bit of googling and I found it. He's in Donegal to meet supporters...... That's a fairly weak excuse. He'd made it sound like he was on official business and performing his duty, not on a campaign trail meeting

    https://donegalnews.com/2018/10/michael-d-higgins-to-meet-supporters-in-bundoran/

    He'll most likely be hammered for it tonight during the debate too.

    That's a pretty lame excuse not to bother togging out in fairness.

    (I wonder if he took the learjet or was driven there :D?)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Yeah and travellers choose to beat their wives, inbreed, squat on public property?

    So you're saying it's fine to tar everyone with the same brush if they're in the private sector?

    The first part of your comment is the height of ignorance.
    The second is just ignorant.

    If an Irish person (or several for that matter) mugs me would it be fair to say all Irish people are muggers?
    When we say the Catholic Church covered up child abuse, do we mean every Priest was involved or the institution?
    Not comparable. Spoon feeding you here.

    In short, Henry the Hippo didn't aid in the collapse, but bankers, the institution certainly did.
    Tarring all of a people with the same brush is disgusting low grade ignorance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Only gamble what you can afford to lose they say.

    I don't gamble as a rule , bar the token grand national bet annually, but I copped the interest in Casey's comments early, seen the way the media were going after him, seen Leo interfere and plead for people to not vote for him, and thought this could backfire, spectacularly (reminded me in the Paul Murphy and the water charges backlash) so lobbed a few quid on.

    I've not the money spent, no fear of that, but its keeping the whole thing interesting for me.

    I think you are bluffing a bit on this whole thing Johnny and it disappoints Francie!

    The 'media' is going after them all. I posted last night that Gallagher was positively hounded last night in comparison to any of them, followed by Higgins, followed by Ni RIada, followed by Duffy. Casey and Freeman got away lightly, after Casey messed up his standing over the traveller comments and Freeman got the Pieta House stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    I think you are bluffing a bit on this whole thing Johnny and it disappoints Francie!

    Bluffing in what sense Francis?
    The 'media' is going after them all. I posted last night that Gallagher was positively hounded last night in comparison to any of them, followed by Higgins, followed by Ni RIada, followed by Duffy. Casey and Freeman got away lightly, after Casey messed up his standing over the traveller comments and Freeman got the Pieta House stuff.

    You're comparing last night with Casey's name being rarely out of the headlines and talk shows since the 17th:confused:

    Um.... ok.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bluffing in what sense Francis?



    You're comparing last night with Casey's name being rarely out of the headlines and talk shows since the 17th:confused:

    Um.... ok.

    No, you said the media is 'specifically' after him. It isn't really. And that is what you are bluffing about.

    You have huge investment to protect, you filthy capitalist! :D


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,610 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Fair play Johnny Dogs, balls of steel!

    It's hard too see who else would come 2nd. Especially as there's no polls (which (without being conspiratorial) is odd).

    Can't see MDH losing.
    Casey started as a bit of a gob****e, tickled the belly of the bored voter but through his lack of skills and campaigning nous and because he is a bit of a gob****e he couldn't capitalise on that further. He's still getting my No.1.

    I can see SF getting a healthy third. Maybe even their deposit back. Crisp sandwiches and red lemonade all 'round- but I don't think they played this well in their selection.

    Freeman looks like someone who has severe narcolepsy, I'm afraid each time the head goes to her side she's going to slump in a heap.

    I don't think MDH has done too well either. Just enough. Flying on people's perceptions of him. An avuncular whelp. The old pro...the photo ops during your tenure are important- BMX bandit, ATM queue, Windsor Banquet. Bingo!
    And he is a good egg although my own misgivings about him would be that Irish socialists are a terrible lot for keeping jobs for their friends and I don't think he has seven years of active service in him.

    But I'd rather have Johnny Dogs betting slip in my hand on Saturday than the ballot paper on Friday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    humberklog wrote: »
    It's hard too see who else would come 2nd. Especially as there's no polls (which (without being conspiratorial) is odd).

    Polls are usually paid for by Sunday newspapers, and there was one on Sunday. Paddy Power are the only other vaguely regular sponsor of polls.


  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Rhineshark


    humberklog wrote: »
    Fair play Johnny Dogs, balls of steel!

    It's hard too see who else would come 2nd. Especially as there's no polls (which (without being conspiratorial) is odd).

    Can't see MDH losing.
    Casey started as a bit of a gob****e, tickled the belly of the bored voter but through his lack of skills and campaigning nous and because he is a bit of a gob****e he couldn't capitalise on that further. He's still getting my No.1.

    I can see SF getting a healthy third. Maybe even their deposit back. Crisp sandwiches and red lemonade all 'round- but I don't think they played this well in their selection.

    Freeman looks like someone who has severe narcolepsy, I'm afraid each time the head goes to her side she's going to slump in a heap.

    I don't think MDH has done too well either. Just enough. Flying on people's perceptions of him. An avuncular whelp. The old pro...the photo ops during your tenure are important- BMX bandit, ATM queue, Windsor Banquet. Bingo!
    And he is a good egg although my own misgivings about him would be that Irish socialists are a terrible lot for keeping jobs for their friends and I don't think he has seven years of active service in him.

    But I'd rather have Johnny Dogs betting slip in my hand on Saturday than the ballot paper on Friday.

    As a matter of interest, humberklog, how much of an absolute berk would you feel if enough other people decide to have a bit of a laugh because sure Higgins is going to win that Casey does squeak it and we're left with an ignorant Irexiter who thinks Roma are "from Romany" and thinks that what Ireland needs is Irish Business Facebook and a nebulous Women's Council of Something.

    God I wish people would take voting seriously! It's up to you, it's your vote, but it's the sane choice to vote for who you actually want to see in office or risk waking up like the chuckleheads that voted for Brexit and Trump to give the establishment something to think about. Have we not seen that going wrong enough lately?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,164 ✭✭✭Patser


    He'll most likely be hammered for it tonight during the debate too.

    That's a pretty lame excuse not to bother togging out in fairness.

    (I wonder if he took the learjet or was driven there :D?)


    Ah no, bit more googling and found that Higgins is in Leitrim first this afternoon, again meeting supporters before heading to Bundoran. So he won't have to cross the border or worry about the PSNI (or his staff) not bring able to organise his security.

    https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/home/343699/president-michael-d-higgins-expected-in-leitrim-today.html

    Looks like he's on a victory lap already meeting supporters. Who needs to debate?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    He'll most likely be hammered for it tonight during the debate too.

    That's a pretty lame excuse not to bother togging out in fairness.

    (I wonder if he took the learjet or was driven there :D?)

    I say the cost for the Learjet is the same per hour is someone is in it or not


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Patser wrote: »
    Ah no, bit more googling and found that Higgins is in Leitrim first this afternoon, again meeting supporters before heading to Bundoran. So he won't have to cross the border or worry about the PSNI (or his staff) not bring able to organise his security.

    https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/home/343699/president-michael-d-higgins-expected-in-leitrim-today.html

    Looks like he's on a victory lap already meeting supporters. Who needs to debate?

    While I agree if all he is doing it is pretty weak but in fairness why do we have debates at all for the president.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,610 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    L1011 wrote: »
    Polls are usually paid for by Sunday newspapers, and there was one on Sunday. Paddy Power are the only other vaguely regular sponsor of polls.

    Can't link to it but someone over on AH popped up the dates of polls from the last donkey derby and there was 2 between the last Sunday and polling day. The last (half reputable one) was taken mostly before Casey gained public momentum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    humberklog wrote: »
    Can't link to it but someone over on AH popped up the dates of polls from the last donkey derby and there was 2 between the last Sunday and polling day. The last (half reputable one) was taken mostly before Casey gained public momentum.

    I see one, The Irish Times on the Monday morning; Thursday vote.

    The islands voting mean they are always curtailed a day or two before the vote so Monday was probably the latest you could have got one anyway.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Yeah and travellers choose to beat their wives, inbreed, squat on public property?

    So you're saying it's fine to tar everyone with the same brush if they're in the private sector?

    Mod note:

    You were previously warned to be constructive in your posting on this thread.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    So is Liadh Ni Riada take home pay of average industrial wage before or after tax


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    So is Liadh Ni Riada take home pay of average industrial wage before or after tax

    She takes the before tax figure after tax. So quite a lot more than the actual average industrial wage.

    MEPs also get significant expenses (unvouched) and per diem payments (unvouched)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,441 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    So is there a debate tonight on virgin one or whatever that channel is now calling itself and does it have a functioning player which RTÉ didn't have last night so didn't watch last nights one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    L1011 wrote: »
    She takes the before tax figure after tax. So quite a lot more than the actual average industrial wage.

    MEPs also get significant expenses (unvouched) and per diem payments (unvouched)

    Ta very much had only heard a bit of the answer as have a life and could not watch it


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,610 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    ^^@ Rhineshark:
    I wouldn't feel like a berk and I'm not voting for Casey for a laugh. Mine is a considered protest vote. Considered enough to realise what you say (he gets enough votes to get in) could happen- and I'm ok with that.


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