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So Michael D IS running again!

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    #4802
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    And this is based on pretty much one single issue. It is a good barometer of how the general public feels about this issue in question.

    Well it shows how important it is to people. Since the comments I have probably discussed caseys comments with about 70-80 people , the responses ranged from 'ahh we know it but he shouldnt say it' to 'bang on' .

    Everyone agrees in every other regard he's useless , which shows just how influential that one opinion is.

    As the debate moved on, it gradually dawned on me that he's actually more Bunty than Bunty herself ever was, and that his general campaign is more accident than design.


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    #4803
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I suppose that's the crux of the matter, the retention of that culturally distinct grouping is desirable I'm terms of it being part of our heritage.

    Some could argue that travellers moving from place to place offering to fix roofs or put down driveways is similar in practice to what their ancestors did but people's view on such practices seems to be that they work is very shoddy and/or the property is being "cased" while they are around.

    There are truths on both sides of the argument in granting them ethnic status.

    The difficulty is that the modern day Travelling Community has become a caricature of the traditional values and culture of travellers. We used to put Africans and Native Americans in circuses - in many ways the different treatment of the Travelling Community by allowing them to continue with unrestrained criminality, arranged marriages of 16-year olds, and uneducated children, is little better than putting them on display. It is equally degrading to allow that to continue, the fact that the likes of Pavee Point defend such behaviour is only collusion in the degradation of their own community.


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    #4804
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    The Journal is currently running a poll, but as FrancieBrady mentioned in relation to earlier ones, all people need to do to vote multiple times is to clear their browser history.


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    #4805
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    The Journal is currently running a poll, but as FrancieBrady mentioned in relation to earlier ones, all people need to do to vote multiple times is to clear their browser history.
    It's pretty apparent that the kind of people who get stirred into action by a call to bigotry like Casey's, see no issue with creating fake accounts and fake votes to make it appear like there are ten times as many of them as there really are.


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    #4806
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,161 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    seamus wrote: »
    It's pretty apparent that the kind of people who get stirred into action by a call to bigotry like Casey's, see no issue with creating fake accounts and fake votes to make it appear like there are ten times as many of them as there really are.

    Seems like there won't be another proper opinion poll before the election so I guess we'll have no real idea until the actual votes are counted whether his descent into the gutter has paid off.


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    #4807
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Casey stated on Ireland AM this morning that, if he is elected, he will serve five years and then resign before the 2024 local and European elections..


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    #4808
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Seems like there won't be another proper opinion poll before the election so I guess we'll have no real idea until the actual votes are counted whether his descent into the gutter has paid off.
    Might pay off in that he'll get his expenses back.

    Judging by the nonsense you see on Twitter and the journal, he seems to have become a magnet for people who wanted to vote against Michael D for any reasons. People in support of Casey spouting rubbish about expenses and pensions and the like.

    A big troll contingent there though, people claiming him to get a reaction. These people don't vote anyway.

    There hasn't been enough time for Casey's hateful bile to be converted from trolly rubbish to a supported campaign. Trump had a long lead in time. Casey will be relieved, he doesn't want to be elected.


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    #4809
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    seamus wrote: »
    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    The Journal is currently running a poll, but as FrancieBrady mentioned in relation to earlier ones, all people need to do to vote multiple times is to clear their browser history.
    It's pretty apparent that the kind of people who get stirred into action by a call to bigotry like Casey's, see no issue with creating fake accounts and fake votes to make it appear like there are ten times as many of them as there really are.

    Put it this way, if he's only on 31% in a Journal poll, you're probably looking at 10% in RL.


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    #4810
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,061 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    So to those who are supporting Casey: how do you reconcile his reckless and slightly ignorant declaration of tendering Facebook to build a €1 billion Irish-only Facebook? It feels a little galling that while Higgins is attacked for apparent reckless spending, Casey's pie-in-the-sky over giving Facebook huge amounts of money (which last night he scoffed at IIRC), to build a worse Facebook, feels as bad if not worse. If he's that out of touch with something pretty mundane in 2018 (most small businesses these days automatically use a Facebook business profile at the very least), how do his supporters square the circle of anything else he says?


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    #4811
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    seamus wrote: »
    Might pay off in that he'll get his expenses back.

    Judging by the nonsense you see on Twitter and the journal, he seems to have become a magnet for people who wanted to vote against Michael D for any reasons. People in support of Casey spouting rubbish about expenses and pensions and the like.

    A big troll contingent there though, people claiming him to get a reaction. These people don't vote anyway.

    There hasn't been enough time for Casey's hateful bile to be converted from trolly rubbish to a supported campaign. Trump had a long lead in time. Casey will be relieved, he doesn't want to be elected.

    What hateful bile?


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    #4812
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,225 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Casey has now said he'd only serve five and a half years before resigning to "save money" by having the election the same day as the LE/EEs.

    Which would save on polling station staff only basically. Count staff can't count three things at once so the counts go on longer or need extra staff.


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    #4813
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    L1011 wrote: »
    Casey has now said he'd only serve five and a half years before resigning to "save money" by having the election the same day as the LE/EEs.

    Which would save on polling station staff only basically. Count staff can't count three things at once so the counts go on longer or need extra staff.

    At this point Casey is spouting out anything that comes into his head if he thinks it will gain him extra votes.


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    #4814
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    blanch152 wrote: »
    What hateful bile?
    Stuff like claiming that Travellers only want to be recognised as an ethnic minority because it gets them more money?

    He's really plumbing the outrage depths there. Travellers and social welfare in one.


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    #4815
    VinLieger
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    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Casey stated on Ireland AM this morning that, if he is elected, he will serve five years and then resign before the 2024 local and European elections..


    My arse he would, he will say anything to increase his own persona and bank account.


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    #4816
    richiepurgas
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭richiepurgas


    Casey comes across like the drunken uncle at a wedding, invites everyone back to his gaff for a few drinks.
    When they get there, there isn't as much as a wine gum in the house.


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    #4817
    Walter Bishop
    Registered Users Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Walter Bishop


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    At this point Casey is spouting out anything that comes into his head if he thinks it will gain him extra votes.


    Sure he can say and promise whatever he wants, he knows he's never going to have to fulfill any of it.


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    #4818
    Adamcp898
    Registered Users Posts: 5,469 ✭✭✭Adamcp898


    L1011 wrote: »
    Casey has now said he'd only serve five and a half years before resigning to "save money" by having the election the same day as the LE/EEs.

    Which would save on polling station staff only basically. Count staff can't count three things at once so the counts go on longer or need extra staff.
    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Casey stated on Ireland AM this morning that, if he is elected, he will serve five years and then resign before the 2024 local and European elections..


    Somebody was watching Ivan Yates on The Tonight Show last night after the debate I doubt. Or possibly the re-run that is on right before Ireland AM ;)

    Yates threw it at a FF politician on the show that why not go for fixed terms and have a General Election along with the LE/EE's. Must've sounded genius to our Peter during his '5.30 am workout'.


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    #4819
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    seamus wrote: »
    Stuff like claiming that Travellers only want to be recognised as an ethnic minority because it gets them more money?

    He's really plumbing the outrage depths there. Travellers and social welfare in one.
    Well he's not wrong is he...


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    #4820
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Well he's not wrong is he...
    He is. It's as bigotted and moronic as claiming that all muslims are terrorists. It's a statement for the small minded idiots, exactly the kind of damaging rubbish that Trump engages in.


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    #4821
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    seamus wrote: »
    He is. It's as bigotted and moronic as claiming that all muslims are terrorists. It's a statement for the small minded idiots, exactly the kind of damaging rubbish that Trump engages in.

    I see no one defending bankers when people go "the bankers ruined the country."


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    #4822
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Walter Bishop wrote: »
    Sure he can say and promise whatever he wants, he knows he's never going to have to fulfill any of it.

    It's all about profile raising I just would imagine as a business man, he wasn't planning on it being so negative.


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    #4823
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    I see no one defending bankers when people go "the bankers ruined the country."

    Seriously? You're comparing an entire group of people to a (mostly) private, profit driven 'profession'?
    They are people interested in making money who choose to be in that profession. They are not beholden to you or I and even the regulator is taken with a pinch of salt.
    The banking industry played a major role in ruining the country. If you have a defence for that, have at it. Mind greedy is as greedy does.

    If that relates to 'all Irish are stupid', or ignorant Casey's 'all travelers just looking to get more money' etc. do tell.


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    #4824
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,542 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Casey stated on Ireland AM this morning that, if he is elected, he will serve five years and then resign before the 2024 local and European elections..

    I'll throw that one in the same bin I threw the one about Micheal D saying he'd only serve one term :pac:


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    #4825
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    The banking industry played a major role in ruining the country. If you have a defence for that, have at it. Mind greedy is as greedy does.

    I'm not validating the comparison, but some in the banking sector caused ruination, not all bankers.


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    #4826
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,816 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    I see no one defending bankers when people go "the bankers ruined the country."


    This is easily the stupidest thing said so far in relation to casey's remarks, and some seriously stupid stuff has been said


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    #4827
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    TBH I'm a bit sick of hearing people being 'outraged' at Caseys remarks about travellers. The bottom line is that feeling outraged and defending travellers in the media is the easy bit, how about hiring them in your business, welcoming them to live next door, allowing them have a wedding in your hotel or have a party in your bar? It just doesn't happen so IMO Casey was right to get a debate going.


    Like I say, the pretend outrage is laughable. The very ones who are 'outraged' wouldn't let a traveller next nor near their place or welcome one into their family.


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    #4828
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,180 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    realdanbreen wrote:
    Like I say, the pretend outrage is laughable. The very ones who are 'outraged' wouldn't let a traveller next nor near their place or welcome one into their family.


    So you're outraged at people's outrage?


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    #4829
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I'm not validating the comparison, but some in the banking sector caused ruination, not all bankers.

    It's a corporate industry that helped the ruination of the economy. Not a group of individual people with a cultural commonality. When people say 'bankers' it's the industry. Whether some clerk in AIB only worked the customer service or not. The same goes for criticism of the Church.
    Saying every individual person from a particular group, such as travelers or those on welfare, actively behave negatively is ignorant bigotry.


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    #4830
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Saying every individual person from a particular group, such as travelers or those on welfare, actively behave negatively is ignorant bigotry.

    Don't disagree, but who said that, a poster or Casey?


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    #4831
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Don't disagree, but who said that, a poster or Casey?

    Reads like you did.
    Hurrache wrote: »
    I'm not validating the comparison, but some in the banking sector caused ruination, not all bankers.

    You say you're not validating the comparison then set about trying to validate the comparison.

    In conversation regarding:
    seamus wrote: »
    Stuff like claiming that Travellers only want to be recognised as an ethnic minority because it gets them more money?

    He's really plumbing the outrage depths there. Travellers and social welfare in one.


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