After Hours Presidential Election Poll

q85dw7osi4lebg · 23-10-2018 03:38PM

Has a single official non-web poll been carried out since Casey talked sense last week?

Zubeneschamali · 23-10-2018 03:39PM

Conservative wrote: »

There has been a clear shift in his direction since then if you'd paid any attention whatsoever.

Based on what? There hasn't been a poll since Casey's bigotry came out.

Conservative · 23-10-2018 03:41PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

There has been a clear shift in his direction since then if you'd paid any attention whatsoever.

Based on what? There hasn't been a poll since Casey's bigotry came out.

Let's see on Friday so.

AndrewJRenko · 23-10-2018 03:41PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

But how does one really know the national average? I mean these Red C Polls for example are a load of codswallop. They are tools used to influence the public to vote a certain way. In Britain there was no hope of Brexit winning if we were to rely on their polls, there was also no hope of Trump winning according to their polls. Now, I do not think Casey is going to win by any means but I would be willing to bet that he is far more than 2% that the national polls are trying to lead one to think.

You know that there is decades of scientific research out there around survey sampling and margin of error? This isn't back of an envelope stuff.

23-10-2018 03:41PM

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

No. Read it again.

I said "a number of posters and their fellow cretins..." have a deluded view.

Same old misinterpreting of the point.

To reiterate, very, very few voters believe the role of the president is anything other than ceremonial. The people voting for Peter Casey are not racist or stupid.

The reasons for those of us giving him our No. 1 have been well documented here. Choose to ignore that all you wish.

It'll be some laugh to see the reaction when Casey polls well on Friday.

VOTE PETER CASEY NO. 1.

I was trying to clarify your point. Not purposefully misinterpret. Reel it in.

McMurphy · 23-10-2018 03:45PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Based on what? There hasn't been a poll since Casey's bigotry came out.

Thing is, this has been asked repeatedly, and no one has come within a fanny hair of being able to, but once again, and for the record, what did Casey say or do that even remotely approach "bigotry can you please give an example"?

Zubeneschamali · 23-10-2018 03:47PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Thing is, this has been asked repeatedly, and no one has come within a fanny hair of being able to, but once again, and for the record, what did Casey say or do that even remotely approach "bigotry can you please give an example"?

Fanning anti-traveller sentiment to whip up votes.

McMurphy · 23-10-2018 03:50PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Fanning anti-traveller sentiment to whip up votes.

That doesn't answer the question, proclaiming Irish people should first and foremost be regarded as Irish people doesn't come within a country mile of approaching bigotry, in.factI would go so far as to say it's the complete opposite.

MrMusician18 · 23-10-2018 03:51PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Fanning anti-traveller sentiment to whip up votes.

By saying they were equal to every other Irish citizen?

AndrewJRenko · 23-10-2018 03:54PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Away with your common sense! We'll have no common sense here!!!!! :D:D

Casey's getting my #1 vote on Friday.

Presumably, you're 100% behind his expectation that his sons will work in business, while his daughters "will go where their husbands go". You're happy that's the best message we can send to the teenage girls of Ireland about their future?

PressRun · 23-10-2018 03:55PM

omega man wrote: »

You’re missing the point. People are supporting him as finally a someone has spoken out. This is now an opportunity for people to have a voice where they didn’t before.

Leo talked the talk on backing those who got up early but he hasn’t walked the walk. Maybe if Casey received a sizeable percentage then he’ll take note or other TDs will. I’m hopeful for the first time in quite a while.

You all keep saying stuff like this and you keep saying you understand what the president does, but then say that he would give you a voice? What exactly is Peter Casey going to do for "people who get up early"? What exactly is there to be hopeful about? Peter Casey isn't going to do anything for you or anyone like you. He's a mouthpiece and nothing more.

The president's role is ceremonial. They basically just have to behave in a dignified way in public, which I'm not sure Casey is even capable of doing.

JeffKenna · 23-10-2018 03:57PM

PressRun wrote: »

You all keep saying stuff like this, but what exactly is Peter Casey going to do for "people who get up early"? What exactly is there to be hopeful about? Peter Casey isn't going to do anything for you or anyone like you. He's a mouthpiece and nothing more.

And what do you propose we do....keep the same status quo?

_Brian · 23-10-2018 03:58PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

By saying they were equal to every other Irish citizen?

Yes actually...

Travellers are included as one of the big nine grounds for descrimination, plus they have been recognised as a distinct minority in the country.. This actually affords them much more protection than the rest of the community.

To be told they are like everybody else is actually a slur to them.

Atlantis50 · 23-10-2018 03:58PM

A traveller woman overheard a man use the word 'knacker'.

Naturally, Peter Casey is to blame.

Naturally, it deserves a story of its own.

:rolleyes:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/verbal-abuse-victim-blames-peter-casey-for-emboldening-racists-878610.html

suicide_circus · 23-10-2018 04:01PM

Atlantis50 wrote: »

A traveller woman overheard a man use the word 'knacker'.

Naturally, Peter Casey is to blame.

Naturally, it deserves a story of its own.

:rolleyes:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/verbal-abuse-victim-blames-peter-casey-for-emboldening-racists-878610.html

they must be worried releasing articles lile that

PressRun · 23-10-2018 04:03PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

And what do you propose we do....keep the same status quo?

If you want to enact meaningful change, vote in a general election. Voting for a president who doesn't do anything isn't going to do any of the things you seem to want done.

LiamoSail · 23-10-2018 04:03PM

There seems to be a real fear among the political classes that the middle class now have a candidate through whom they can channel their anger.

People are tired of working hard to fund the lifestyles of those that don't. People are tired of being unable to afford to live close to their employment in the city while their taxes are used to provide homes for those who won't work, in the city. People are tired of hearing about the likes of Margret Cash taking home €50k/yr in benefits while the average person struggles on an industrial wage of approx €35k/yr, before paying their tax. Enough is enough. Casey won't change anything, but a vote for him will send a strong message.

This is not an alt right movement, nor is it merely the uneducated. It's people who work for a living sick to the back teeth of funding those that won't. Not the oaps, not those on disability. Those who choose not to work and expect us to foot the bill.

MrMusician18 · 23-10-2018 04:03PM

PressRun wrote: »

You all keep saying stuff like this and you keep saying you understand what the president does, but then say that he would give you a voice? What exactly is Peter Casey going to do for "people who get up early"? What exactly is there to be hopeful about? Peter Casey isn't going to do anything for you or anyone like you. He's a mouthpiece and nothing more.

The president's role is ceremonial. They basically just have to behave in a dignified way in public, which I'm not sure Casey is even capable of doing.

The idea is that a vote for Casey will be recognized by the political establishment that there is deep unhappiness in a portion of the electorate. Politicians being politicians will move position to capture this vote and hopefully address these issues.

Casey is the embodiment of the unhappiness and is the only way for the electorate to express it, as seemingly politicians are not listening to these concerns. Furthermore the airing of these concerns are being suppressed by the media.

AndrewJRenko · 23-10-2018 04:04PM

Conservative wrote: »

Have you been living under a rock? The poll is completely outdated and from before Casey made any headlines at all. There has been a clear shift in his direction since then if you'd paid any attention whatsoever.

Having you been living under a rock for the past 50 years of opinion polling in political campaigns?

If you're sure about Casey, why don't you rush down to Paddy Power and put a few grand on him to win?

never_mind · 23-10-2018 04:05PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

There seems to be a real fear among the political classes that the middle class now have a candidate through whom they can channel their anger.

People are tired of working hard to fund the lifestyles of those that don't. People are tired of being unable to afford to live close to their employment in the city while their taxes are used to provide homes for those who won't work, in the city. People are tired of hearing about the likes of Margret Cash taking home €50k/yr in benefits while the average person struggles on an industrial wage of approx €35k/yr, before paying their tax. Enough is enough. Casey won't change anything, but a vote for him will send a strong message.

This is not an alt right movement, nor is it merely the uneducated. It's people who work for a living sick to the back teeth of funding those that won't. Not the oaps, not those on disability. Those who choose not to work and expect us to foot the bill.

But his rhetoric is based on hate and anger... Cause supporting politicians like that always works out so well...

Disappointed to see so many boards people give him such support. Thought most of us would be able to call a spade a spade.

PressRun · 23-10-2018 04:05PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The idea is that a vote for Casey will be recognized by the political establishment that there is deep unhappiness in a portion of the electorate. Politicians being politicians will move position to capture this vote and hopefully address these issues.

Casey is the embodiment of the unhappiness and is the only way for the electorate to express it, as seemingly politicians are not listening to these concerns. Furthermore the airing of these concerns are being suppressed by the media.

Not going to happen.

ThunbergsAreGo · 23-10-2018 04:05PM

Atlantis50 wrote: »

A traveller woman overheard a man use the word 'knacker'.

Naturally, Peter Casey is to blame.

Naturally, it deserves a story of its own.

:rolleyes:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/verbal-abuse-victim-blames-peter-casey-for-emboldening-racists-878610.html

I was going to vote for him, but this has 100% changed my mind

AndrewJRenko · 23-10-2018 04:06PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

There seems to be a real fear among the political classes that the middle class now have a candidate through whom they can channel their anger.

People are tired of working hard to fund the lifestyles of those that don't. People are tired of being unable to afford to live close to their employment in the city while their taxes are used to provide homes for those who won't work, in the city. People are tired of hearing about the likes of Margret Cash taking home €50k/yr in benefits while the average person struggles on an industrial wage of approx €35k/yr, before paying their tax. Enough is enough. Casey won't change anything, but a vote for him will send a strong message.

This is not an alt right movement, nor is it merely the uneducated. It's people who work for a living sick to the back teeth of funding those that won't. Not the oaps, not those on disability. Those who choose not to work and expect us to foot the bill.

Didn't we hear all this same stuff from Renua? We know how that turned out.

MrMusician18 · 23-10-2018 04:08PM

PressRun wrote: »

Not going to happen.

I wouldn't be so sure. If Casey polls well, ever the populists that FF are, you will see them move to the right. I can guarantee it.

Whether they will actually take action on these issues will of course remain to be seen if they get into power.

JeffKenna · 23-10-2018 04:10PM

PressRun wrote: »

If you want to enact meaningful change, vote in a general election. Voting for a president who doesn't do anything isn't going to do any of the things you seem to want done.

But if the president doesnt do anything what does it matter who I vote for? May as well vote for someone I feel represents me.

LiamoSail · 23-10-2018 04:11PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Didn't we hear all this same stuff from Renua? We know how that turned out.

True, Renua went no where. Will be interesting to see what traction Casey's views get at the polls

McMurphy · 23-10-2018 04:11PM

Atlantis50 wrote: »

A traveller woman overheard a man use the word 'knacker'.

Naturally, Peter Casey is to blame.

Naturally, it deserves a story of its own.

:rolleyes:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/verbal-abuse-victim-blames-peter-casey-for-emboldening-racists-878610.html

Jesus, that's desperation if ever I've seen it.

MrMusician18 · 23-10-2018 04:12PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Didn't we hear all this same stuff from Renua? We know how that turned out.

Renua was too tied up in abortion (being the reason for their birth and all) and were found to be way out of touch on it.

There may be a market for a party of the right not mired in abortion baggage. We shall see.

dav3 · 23-10-2018 04:14PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Renua was too tied up in abortion (being the reason for their birth and all) and were found to be way out of touch on it.

There may be a market for a party of the right not mired in abortion baggage. We shall see.

That's not how politics works, not in this country anyway. I know there have been a lot of recently registered posters parroting the same thing, but don't get your hopes up.

Zubeneschamali · 23-10-2018 04:17PM

Atlantis50 wrote: »

Naturally, Peter Casey is to blame.

I could hear him saying that he couldn't be racist because travellers are not a race.

This is the part which Casey is reinforcing.

After Hours Presidential Election Poll

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