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Ascot Champions Day 20th October

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  • #52
    antietam
    Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭antietam


    Francie Barrett is the most intelligent man ever to post on this site,this is my opinion after 50 years of racing this man is even better than the missus.


  • #53
    antietam
    Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭antietam


    droidman123 wrote: »
    You seriously couldnt make this sh*it up,its absolute class!
    Explain, but be very careful with your facts,as I WILL TEAR YOU TO SHREDS


  • #54
    BumperD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭BumperD


    antietam wrote: »
    Francie Barrett is the most intelligent man ever to post on this site,this is my opinion after 50 years of racing this man is even better than the missus.

    Oh the two of you get a room


  • #55
    Earendil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Earendil


    antietam wrote: »
    Explain, but be very careful with your facts,as I WILL TEAR YOU TO SHREDS

    Glug.


  • #56
    droidman123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,544 ✭✭✭droidman123


    antietam wrote: »
    Explain, but be very careful with your facts,as I WILL TEAR YOU TO SHREDS

    Ok heres a fact,you aftertimed that lar di dah was the lay of the year......8 hours after the race! Infact that is actually a factual fact


  • #57
    Fanny Wank
    Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    Luckily I made Stradavarius a 1.01 shot so obviously had my mortgage on at odds against

    Villa in the South of France here I come


  • #58
    tryfix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    antietam wrote: »
    Question to punters ?? how in the name of God was Lah Ti Dar 1/1 fav.Can some genius please explain this to me.It could not win based on form against the real form.IMO this was the lay of the year based on form that everyone can evaluate prior to the race If understanding.


    Simples, hype led punters astray and the hype was led by the ridiculously biased ITV commentary which saw her well beaten 2 1/4L 2nd in the St Leger as evidence of two BRILLIANT horses fighting ( there was no fight ) out the finish of the St Leger. They've been inflating her status ever since she had that very impressive Listed win at York against modest competition. She was exposed in the Leger and still they persisted in treating her as if she was one of the best fillies seen in the last decade.

    Given her quality breeding and that her trainer has been on fire this year it's a wonder the hype hadn't pushed her into odds on.

    After she was beaten yesterday the owner was blubbing about how brilliant she was going to be next year.


  • #59
    antietam
    Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭antietam


    tryfix wrote: »
    Simples, hype led punters astray and the hype was led by the ridiculously biased ITV commentary which saw her well beaten 2 1/4L 2nd in the St Leger as evidence of two BRILLIANT horses fighting ( there was no fight ) out the finish of the St Leger. They've been inflating her status ever since she had that very impressive Listed win at York against modest competition. She was exposed in the Leger and still they persisted in treating her as if she was one of the best fillies seen in the last decade.

    Given her quality breeding and that her trainer has been on fire this year it's a wonder the hype hadn't pushed her into odds on.

    After she was beaten yesterday the owner was blubbing about how brilliant she was going to be next year.
    Great post. Will add this post is staggering good.


  • #60
    kiers47
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    This is an astonishing figure even if they did crawl around.

    https://twitter.com/Ascot/status/1054640064477593603?s=19


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  • #61
    tryfix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    kiers47 wrote: »
    This is an astonishing figure even if they did crawl around.

    https://twitter.com/Ascot/status/1054640064477593603?s=19

    That can be explained by

    Stradivarius ( slow by 14.51 )

    Cracksman ( slow by 4.79 )

    Roaring Lion ( slow by 3.88 )

    For a bit of perspective Magical was ( slow by 4.78 ) over 12f and Sharjah Bridge was ( slow by 4.90 ) over 1m and Sands Of Mali was ( slow by 1.88 ) over 6f.



    Cracksman's relatively slower win than Magical's somehow gets an 131 rpr while Magical has to make do with 118 rpr.

    Verbal Dexterity who was thrashed 9 3/4L behind Cracksman in 6th out of 8 was judged to have run to 111 rpr which was +9 on his previous 9 3/4L 102 rpr thrashing by Roaring Lion 122 rpr and Saxon Warrior 121 rpr in the Irish Champion Stakes. Never mind the close up presence of the moderate Subway Dancer ( beaten in 16 straight lower class races previously ) the Racing Post uses the power of Magical thinking 😉


  • #62
    kiers47
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    tryfix wrote: »
    That can be explained by

    Stradivarius ( slow by 14.51 )

    Cracksman ( slow by 4.79 )

    Roaring Lion ( slow by 3.88 )

    For a bit of perspective Magical was ( slow by 4.78 ) over 12f and Sharjah Bridge was ( slow by 4.90 ) over 1m and Sands Of Mali was ( slow by 1.88 ) over 6f.



    Cracksman's relatively slower win than Magical's somehow gets an 131 rpr while Magical has to make do with 118 rpr.

    Verbal Dexterity who was thrashed 9 3/4L behind Cracksman in 6th out of 8 was judged to have run to 111 rpr which was +9 on his previous 9 3/4L 102 rpr thrashing by Roaring Lion 122 rpr and Saxon Warrior 121 rpr in the Irish Champion Stakes. Never mind the close up presence of the moderate Subway Dancer ( beaten in 16 straight lower class races previously ) the Racing Post uses the power of Magical thinking 😉


    Oh yes completely down to how the race was run. But still impressive for a stayer on ground that we can be fairly sure wouldnt have shown him at his best.


  • #63
    tryfix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    kiers47 wrote: »
    Oh yes completely down to how the race was run. But still impressive for a stayer on ground that we can be fairly sure wouldnt have shown him at his best.

    Oh yeah it was quite impressive and he's built like an 8-10f horse so showing a turn of foot is right up his street. Given how disappointing Flag Of Honour was I wonder is it worth putting his run down to it turning into a sprint ( and getting value on his price in the future ) or his not being as good as he seemed to be?


  • #64
    Slattsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    kiers47 wrote: »
    This is an astonishing figure even if they did crawl around.

    https://twitter.com/Ascot/status/1054640064477593603?s=19

    Whats the tweet? I cant see it :(


  • #65
    kiers47
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    Slattsy wrote: »
    Whats the tweet? I cant see it :(

    Just saying that Stradivarius ran a quicker closing 3 furlongs than Cracksman or Roaring Lion.


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