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Lying on CV

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    #62
    myshirt
    Registered Users Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    How did you manage to survive for 3 years without a job? That alone is impressive.

    Most people on here are a month max away from it all falling to sh't if they lost their iob.


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    #63
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Feisar


    myshirt wrote: »
    How did you manage to survive for 3 years without a job? That alone is impressive.

    Most people on here are a month max away from it all falling to sh't if they lost their iob.

    Deserves a seperate topic however do you think most are that close to the wire?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #64
    josip
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    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    A P45 only comes from your last employer


    From reading the opening post I thought he didn't have any employer since the gap? He's doing a course.
    So whatever is being suggested would be for the 'last employer' .
    So any Irish-based fake employer suggestions will be sussed on day 1?


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    #65
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    josip wrote: »
    From reading the opening post I thought he didn't have any employer since the gap? He's doing a course.
    So whatever is being suggested would be for the 'last employer' .
    So any Irish-based fake employer suggestions will be sussed on day 1?

    Sorry, a P45 is only relevant if leaving one employer for another and start the new position in the same calendar year as leaving the old employer.

    Example, I leave company 'A' in December of 2017 and start with company 'B' in January I only need to inform revenue of the change and it's job done.


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    #66
    Under His Eye
    Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Under His Eye


    I have used travelling as a gap filler. Caring for ill relative has been used as well. None of which can be checked.

    I don't understand why people are obsessed about gaps?


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    #67
    Under His Eye
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    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    Sorry, a P45 is only relevant if leaving one employer for another and start the new position in the same calendar year as leaving the old employer.

    Example, I leave company 'A' in December of 2017 and start with company 'B' in January I only need to inform revenue of the change and it's job done.
    Even if you have a valid P45 you don't have to hand it over. You can send it to revenue who just send the new employer a TDC.


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    #68
    mikemac2
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    KevinCavan wrote: »
    Anglo Irish Bank

    You’d be thrown out of the interview and you’d deserve it :pac:


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    #69
    Gravelly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    The amount of CV's we get from people who spent a few years in Australia / working in Xtravision during the recession would amaze you :D

    I've a colleague who hits them with either "Oh I spent 20 years in Australia, what company were you working for? or "I was a regional manager for Xtravision in <persons area> for 10 years, which shop were you in?
    Cue lots of spluttering and stammering!

    I wouldn't not hire someone because they were out of work for a couple of years at the height of the recession, but I'd pause for thought if they were lying on their CV.


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    #70
    Edgware
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    Just tell them to check the Sex Offenders Register. That will explain everything.
    Is it a girls school you are looking to work in?


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    #71
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    dreamers75 wrote: »
    3 years without working in a job boom. best of luck with that.

    Porbably best for both involved that you put nothing in.

    That's a proper idiotic statement. Is the OP supposed to remain unemployed because he/she was unemployed at some point in the past?


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    #72
    Neyite
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    Anyone who is going to be snotty to an interview candidate for a cv gap after the 10 year recession Ireland just had is a tosser.


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    #73
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    Lies on CV's are usually easy to spot, depending on the industry a reference could be sought from time in Australia also.

    I've seen them all

    -Caring for sick relative, usually found out when you ask one or more probing question
    -Travelling - again, ask a probing question and watch the person fold
    -Back to full time education 'oh have you got a cert/diploma/degree'

    A good recruiter will smell the bull a mile away. Be honest, hopefully you've got something solid on your CV since which is what will be taken into account if so
    If youre not retarded and prepare before the interview theres no way they could know youre lying about travelling or an ill relative


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    #74
    2011
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    Neyite wrote: »
    Anyone who is going to be snotty to an interview candidate for a cv gap after the 10 year recession Ireland just had is a tosser.

    I can understand how it can be difficult / impossible for some to get a job during a recession but doing nothing worthwhile for three years is taking the pi55


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    #75
    antodeco
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    Under His Eye wrote: »

    I don't understand why people are obsessed about gaps?

    Sure isint that why all them women are in the gyms?


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    #76
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Little Less Conversation wrote: »
    Who has done it and how do people get away with it?

    I'm doing a course and they want me to bring in my CV on Monday but I don't know what to put on it. I'm stuck with a gap on my CV due to the recession. It's a big gap of three years and I don't know how to fill it up. It's a long time without work but then the time flew by quickly at the same time. How do I fill in a gap like this to make myself look good?
    This is too ambiguous for us to properly advise you. If it was a gap from 2008 - 2011 and you've been working since, it's no big deal. If it's from 2015 - 2018 then that's a problem as the recession was over then. As long as you have some decent references you should be grand.

    Don't lie and say you were looking after a sick relative or travelling. They are the two biggest excuses. All the interviewer has to ask is an opened question such as "what did you learn about yourself during this time?" and you'll be sitting there with an open mouth.


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    #77
    Neyite
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    2011 wrote: »
    I can understand how it can be difficult / impossible for some to get a job during a recession but doing nothing worthwhile for three years is taking the pi55


    He never really said what he did during that time. It may well be that he kept busy enough but doesn't realise that it can go on the CV.

    Coaching local sports. Learning /practising a sport. Volunteering with community events and activities. Looking in on elderly neighbours. Joining the PTA of the school (if he's got kids) If he can show that he was a) looking for a job, and b) that he kept busy doing stuff and not just lying in the scratcher until 3pm every day then he can make the most of the gap and still be honest.


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    #78
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Its really a catch 22 situation.

    If lie you will be caught, its not just the written bit about the lie, its the retelling, absence of paperwork, absence of acquired skills and education. HR arent the quickest of cats but they spot disorganisation in lies.

    Then if you tell the truth, you are most likely to meet an interview who may not understand or empathize. Then you try to be honest and they dont have the technical skills to understand. My advocate was talking to an employer about getting work experience for me, when he heard I had Higher Functioning Autism, he asked "Is he retarded or in a wheelchair or what?". Needless to say we passed on the placement


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    #79
    josip
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    It's a toughie, I think you've got to lie.
    I failed an exam in 2nd year, got a I in the repeats.
    Was applying for jobs at the end of 4th year and had to provide all results of the previous 3 years.
    Dumbo here put down the fail and the repeat result, in case they checked and I was caught lying.
    After 16 rejections, one of my friends said, "Eh Dumbo, maybe leave out the fail.."
    My next 5 applications were all successful and I got to choose the one I liked best.
    The day I started, they told me they hired me because they were short of numbers for their Monday indoor soccer and I had soccer down on my CV.


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    #80
    LollipopJimmy
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    Neyite wrote: »
    He never really said what he did during that time. It may well be that he kept busy enough but doesn't realise that it can go on the CV.

    Coaching local sports. Learning /practising a sport. Volunteering with community events and activities. Looking in on elderly neighbours. Joining the PTA of the school (if he's got kids) If he can show that he was a) looking for a job, and b) that he kept busy doing stuff and not just lying in the scratcher until 3pm every day then he can make the most of the gap and still be honest.

    All of that stuff goes on a CV though and looks good tbh.

    If I have two CV's in front of me and one has a three year gap and the other has jobs of any level including retail, door to door sales, volunteering or whatever of course the person who has shown the tenacity to actually do whatever it takes to stay in employment will have the advantage.

    My industry fell on its face during recession but I ploughed into any job I could get to keep working and I ended up on the dole for 8 days total. I treated looking for a job like a full time job and found work where I could get it.


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    #81
    Under His Eye
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    Do recruiters see gaps as "something to hide"?


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    #82
    Feisar
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    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    This is too ambiguous for us to properly advise you. If it was a gap from 2008 - 2011 and you've been working since, it's no big deal. If it's from 2015 - 2018 then that's a problem as the recession was over then. As long as you have some decent references you should be grand.

    Don't lie and say you were looking after a sick relative or travelling. They are the two biggest excuses. All the interviewer has to ask is an opened question such as "what did you learn about yourself during this time?" and you'll be sitting there with an open mouth.

    Just swot up on what you say you were doing! I.e. if you were looking after someone sick pick an illness and read up on it.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #83
    Hulk Hands
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    It's hard to see the downside in lying if youre finding it hard to get somewhere you want. If you're struggling to get interviews and you've a big gap on the CV, then fill it in. If the job needs a 2.1 degree that you don't have, say you have it. The worst that can happen is you're found out, and back to the exact same position you were beforehand.


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    #84
    2011
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    Neyite wrote: »
    He never really said what he did during that time. It may well be that he kept busy enough but doesn't realise that it can go on the CV.

    In this post late in the thraed the OP suggests that he was "idle" for 3 years:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108416770&postcount=46

    If he can show that he was a) looking for a job, and b) that he kept busy doing stuff and not just lying in the scratcher until 3pm every day then he can make the most of the gap and still be honest.

    Yup, but to me it looks like the OP can't honestly say that he was doing anything worthwhile (hence the thread).


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    #85
    skooterblue2
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Just swot up on what you say you were doing! I.e. if you were looking after someone sick pick an illness and read up on it.

    So if you just say cancer for an example. be prepared to elaborate on questions. If they ask about symptoms, treatments and how the treatment ended? If you pick either cancer or Heart disease and you were their carer for some time you will know their medical history intimately. By Murphys law the interviewer will have a relative that had/has the same condition. Dont ever say a cancer patient is cured, "the patient is in remission the last 5 years". Serious medical conditions consume every aspect of the patients life, as the patients right hand man, you have to speak the jargon too.


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    #86
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Feisar wrote: »
    Just swot up on what you say you were doing! I.e. if you were looking after someone sick pick an illness and read up on it.
    It's not just the illness. Three years is a long time to care for someone, so it'd have to be a close family member. It's not something I'd lie about. What happens if someone who knows you and your boss is talking to your boss and says "oh X has finally got a job, fair play, I know they were out of work for a long time". It's not inconceivable.

    It also depends on the job - a checkout person in Tesco isn't going to be as closely scrutinised as someone going for a management position. The op is only applying for a course, it's not even a job so I really don't see the big deal in a 3 year gap during the recession. We don't know when the 3 year gap occurred and if the op has been in employment since, so really we haven't a clue how relevant this gap is.


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    #87
    LollipopJimmy
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    Under His Eye wrote: »
    Do recruiters see gaps as "something to hide"?

    I would see them as something to be honest about and able to explain. Somebody that sat on their hole for three years is going to need to have done something fairly impressive since to battle against candidates who did what it took during recession. Sitting at home firing out CV's on Monster or Irishjobs etc isn't jobhunting either.


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    #88
    Gravelly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    You could always say you were meditating and you are now back in the workforce as you have gained enlightenment.


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    #89
    Paddy Cow
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    So if you just say cancer for an example. be prepared to elaborate on questions. If they ask about symptoms, treatments and how the treatment ended? If you pick either cancer or Heart disease and you were their carer for some time you will know their medical history intimately. By Murphys law the interviewer will have a relative that had/has the same condition. Dont ever say a cancer patient is cured, "the patient is in remission the last 5 years". Serious medical conditions consume every aspect of the patients life, as the patients right hand man, you have to speak the jargon too.
    I don't think an interviewer would come out and ask direct, personal questions like that. Is it even legal? Not too long ago someone got sued just for asking if a candidate was married. I think because "looking after someone who was ill" is such a cliche answer at this stage, they would ask open ended questions and see how the person reacts. "Who was sick and what did they have?" is not ok. "What did you learn about yourself during this time?" etc is fine and gives the interviewee who is lying a rope to hang themselves with.

    As a couple of other posters have pointed out, employers are now simply getting around this by asking the person to get a letter from social welfare saying they haven't made a claim. I'd never heard of this until this thread and there's no way to lie around that if you have been claiming.


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    #90
    Ipso
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    Under His Eye wrote: »
    Do recruiters see gaps as "something to hide"?

    They see it as something tbat might prevebt them get money, potential employers may see it as having something to hide.


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    #91
    BailMeOut
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    whatever you put on your CV be prepared to talk about and be very convincing about it. My advise however would be the truth.


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