Nazi Art

SoyBoy69 · 06-10-2018 02:51PM

riffmongous wrote: »

His art is boring and conservative

It is conservative. But it's also rather evocative I feel. There is something there. Not dissimilar to many pretty, semi-interesting watercolours you see in the peripheries of people's homes. Not everyone needs to be Cézanne orErnst Kirchner

Wibbs · 06-10-2018 03:35PM

SoyBoy69 wrote: »

Not dissimilar to many pretty, semi-interesting watercolours you see in the peripheries of people's homes. Not everyone needs to be Cnne orErnst Kirchner

Pretty much. As I noted earlier few enough people have "modern art" type stuff in their homes. The century of Modernism that roughly lasted from the 1870's to the 1970's had little enough impact on widespread "ordinary people's" taste in the arts. The biggest success by far would have been the Impressionists. They were and remain popular alright.

Ask anyone involved in the trade selling canvas prints and the like. Family snaps, evocative(and usually obvious) landscape photos/paintings and your Monet's et al are the big sellers. Sales of Georges Braque's or the Fauvists would be very slow. Surrealists get a look in at times. Well Dali does.

Modernist stuff tends to be a little too uncomfortable for most general tastes to want on their walls staring back at them. These days that stuff is mostly for corporate buyers where it's sold by the yard. Never mind the quality, feel the width. Nothing too uncomfortable either. Lots of colour. For most of human history art, if it was even seen as a concept in of itself, was liked, even loved by the general population. If a blacksmith could have afforded a Titian he would have had one on his wall. Modernism changed that dialogue to quite a degree.

Del.Monte · 06-10-2018 08:57PM

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Wibbs · 06-10-2018 09:38PM

Interestingly enough, the Nazi's sworn enemy, the Soviet Union embraced Modernism in a big way in art and architecture. The Nazi's allies, the Italian Fascists, being.. well, Italian, embraced both the old and the new art, the conservative and contemporary. They particularly dug the latter in architecture. Hitler was a bit nonplussed by their attitude to the "New Art". The French, being French and being the birthplace and nursery of Modernism also embraced both, but with more of a nod towards Modernism.

Dyr · 10-10-2018 12:53PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

That is not a tank.

Also he didn't collect it, he was just mucking around in it for a documentary. Lemmy wasnt a mega star with a period mansion in Buckinghamshire and a fleet of vintage motors, he lived in a tiny flat in L.A, hardly likely to be parking a jagdpanzer out front

DesperateDan · 10-10-2018 01:04PM

There is a show on Channel 4 right now called Nazi Treasure Hunters. It's full of some pretty silly scenes (diving in lakes for no good reason etc.) but some really interesting stuff as well. They basically explore this exact topic and follow the current day Monuments Men foundation for a little while which is tasked with returning items to rightful owners. The Altaussee Salt Mine was full of gold as well as art.

A large quantity of the gold is still believed to be in Swiss bank vaults where it fell to them after 60 years of no one coming back for it.

Wibbs · 10-10-2018 01:07PM

Bambi wrote: »

Also he didn't collect it, he was just mucking around in it for a documentary. Lemmy wasnt a mega star with a period mansion in Buckinghamshire and a fleet of vintage motors, he lived in a tiny flat in L.A, hardly likely to be parking a jagdpanzer out front

From what I remember he had a part ownership in it. There was a time that stuff wasn't particularly expensive.

sbsquarepants · 10-10-2018 01:20PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Lemmy of Motorhead fame was an avid collector of nazi memorabilia, flags, uniforms, daggers, that sorta thing, including at one point a tank. As you do..

.

The Nazis, sure they had their dark side, but they also had some nice looking shít. They were as stylish a bunch of genocidal warmongers as you're ever likely to come across:D

DesperateDan · 10-10-2018 01:37PM

Obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JOpPNra4bw

weldoninhio · 10-10-2018 01:41PM

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Where did all the artwork liberated by the Monuments Men go to?
Just watching Forbidden History and got to wondering where it all went?

I’d say a lot of it is locked away in the Vatican as payment for the Ratline.

Dan Jaman · 10-10-2018 10:17PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

The Nazis, sure they had their dark side, but they also had some nice looking sh They were as stylish a bunch of genocidal warmongers as you're ever likely to come across:D

National Socialist Party.

Uniformed by Boss.
For distinctive flair and style for your genocidal Master Race, contact Hugo.
Office hours only.

TheValeyard · 10-10-2018 10:25PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

The Nazis, sure they had their dark side, but they also had some nice looking shít. They were as stylish a bunch of genocidal warmongers as you're ever likely to come across:D

Depends on his mood

sbsquarepants · 11-10-2018 08:57AM

That's like something from a 1940's Das Familien Album catalogue, mens extermination camp, autumn casual section:D

Wibbs · 11-10-2018 09:52AM

Dan Jaman wrote: »

National Socialist Party.

Uniformed by Boss.
For distinctive flair and style for your genocidal Master Race, contact Hugo.
Office hours only.

Well Hugo Boss was one of the early supporters of the Nazi's. Joined the party very early and joined the SS too. He was one of the main suppliers of Nazi uniforms, particularly the SS uniforms. He didn't design them. IIRC that was a SS guy who was a graphic designer. The connection turned Boss from a bankrupt into a very wealthy man by the time the war kicked off. After the war he was tried as someone who helped and profited from the Nazi's and was banned from owning a business. One of his kids took over so they got around that. Got a hefty fine too, but wasn't nearly enough to clean him out. With very few exceptions German business owners who supported the regime got off scot free. Nasty business all around.

larchill · 11-10-2018 10:46PM

Saw the Nazi Treasures programme on More 4 alright. A candle stand at a Berlin flea market was identified as being of jewish origin. This stuff must be floating all around Europe and pops up from time to time. While in Bucharest during the summer, I came across Nazi medals at a flea market there!

Of greater interest was the More 4 programme that followed: The Rise and Fall of Hitler. Covered were the sequence of events that brought Hitler to power. Of greater interest though was Hitlers idiosyncracies. He fornificated with his niece who was half his age. When she exited this world he took up with Eva Braun his mistress to the end.

sbsquarepants · 12-10-2018 08:02AM

larchill wrote: »

Of greater interest was the More 4 programme that followed: The Rise and Fall of Hitler. Covered were the sequence of events that brought Hitler to power. Of greater interest though was Hitlers idiosyncracies. He fornificated with his niece who was half his age. When she exited this world he took up with Eva Braun his mistress to the end.

I'm not sure if it's true or not, but I remember hearing an interview on the radio about with a woman who had researched Hitlers sex life (as you do

)

She said he was openly gay until his mid 20's or so, when he then started dating women for some reason (which would explain the genocidal rage I suppose:)). She said as best she could confirm he'd slept with 7 or 8 women - all of whom committed suicide, bar one I think it was, who attempted it but survived.

Apparently getting jiggy with Adolf was not a pleasant experience!

weldoninhio · 12-10-2018 09:33AM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's true or not, but I remember hearing an interview on the radio about with a woman who had researched Hitlers sex life (as you do)

She said he was openly gay until his mid 20's or so, when he then started dating women for some reason (which would explain the genocidal rage I suppose:)). She said as best she could confirm he'd slept with 7 or 8 women - all of whom committed suicide, bar one I think it was, who attempted it but survived.

Apparently getting jiggy with Adolf was not a pleasant experience!

I think his niece, who he was sleeping with, survived a suicide attempt.

Zebra3 · 13-10-2018 06:03PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Well Hugo Boss was one of the early supporters of the Nazi's. Joined the party very early and joined the SS too. He was one of the main suppliers of Nazi uniforms, particularly the SS uniforms. He didn't design them. IIRC that was a SS guy who was a graphic designer. The connection turned Boss from a bankrupt into a very wealthy man by the time the war kicked off. After the war he was tried as someone who helped and profited from the Nazi's and was banned from owning a business. One of his kids took over so they got around that. Got a hefty fine too, but wasn't nearly enough to clean him out. With very few exceptions German business owners who supported the regime got off scot free. Nasty business all around.

Sure the Americans compensated the likes of GM for bombing their factories that were supplying Germany with military vehicles.

Quite incredible.

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