Nazi Art

cfuserkildare · 01-10-2018 09:42PM #1

Where did all the artwork liberated by the Monuments Men go to?
Just watching Forbidden History and got to wondering where it all went?

Snotty · 01-10-2018 09:48PM

I think the "dogs playing poker" is in the White House now

dxhound2005 · 01-10-2018 09:51PM

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Where did all the artwork liberated by the Monuments Men go to?
Just watching Forbidden History and got to wondering where it all went?

I knew Hitler was a painter. Never heard of Monuments Men or Forbidden History.

01-10-2018 10:12PM

The bargepole is broken, hence this insightful comment.

whisky_galore · 01-10-2018 10:15PM

Back to the museums or galleries they came out of, or the owners, if they could be traced that is.

Your Face · 01-10-2018 10:20PM

It's all on Adverts.ie

Atoms for Peace · 01-10-2018 10:49PM

The final remaining member of the flying hellfish, left alive, will inherit it.

Ninthlife · 01-10-2018 10:53PM

I read last year German police raided a flat in Munich that contained numerous paintings and antiques stolen by the Nazis from Jewish families.

The occupier of the flat would sell a high priced item every couple of years and use the proceeds to live off

The Rape of Lucretia · 01-10-2018 10:57PM

Whatever way you look at, this is one fine piece of art :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7eOUzjn7pM

The visuals are quite superb in so much of, even if you dont like Hitler that much.

CFlat · 01-10-2018 11:14PM

Ninthlife wrote: »

I read last year German police raided a flat in Munich that contained numerous paintings and antiques stolen by the Nazis from Jewish families.

The occupier of the flat would sell a high priced item every couple of years and use the proceeds to live off

He wasn't The Highlander by any chance?

indioblack · 01-10-2018 11:23PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I knew Hitler was a painter.

"Hitler, there was a painter. He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon. Two coats!"
The Producers.

Wibbs · 01-10-2018 11:24PM

Back in the 90's I was offered an original Hitler watercolour/gouache of a farmyard scene for around 800 quid IIRC. I was tempted TBH. Both for the historical aspect and it was actually well done and decorative. He was pure shite at painting people and the like, but his landscapes and architectural stuff was pretty decent. Again IIRC he wanted to be an architect? He certainly had some talent for art. In my humble a better talent than one of his nemesis' Churchill, whose watercolours are heavy handed.

I didn't go for it in the end as A, my dad reckoned "it'll do you no good to have that prick's art on your wall", and B, I had other avenues where the 800 quid was sorely needed. In retrospect I'm sorry I didn't buy. Investment wise it would be worth at least an added zero, and for me the best thing to do with historical items that may cause discomfort is to render them more inert by modern usage. Swords into ploughshares kinda thing.

I say that typing on my laptop which resides on top of a WW2 ammo box for a Junkers JU 87 "PanzerKnacker" turned into a laptop table. When I enjoy a boiled egg of a morning, it usually sits in a U-Boat eggcup. For me, that's how you think about, integrate and defuse a past that needs thinking about, integrating and defusing.

01-10-2018 11:30PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Whatever way you look at, this is one fine piece of art :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7eOUzjn7pM

The visuals are quite superb in so much of, even if you dont like Hitler that much.

Directed by a woman too. Way ahead of their time.

Chorcai · 01-10-2018 11:47PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Back in the 90's I was offered an original Hitler watercolour/gouache of a farmyard scene for around 800 quid IIRC. I was tempted TBH. Both for the historical aspect and it was actually well done and decorative. He was pure shite at painting people and the like, but his landscapes and architectural stuff was pretty decent. Again IIRC he wanted to be an architect? He certainly had some talent for art. In my humble a better talent than one of his nemesis' Churchill, whose watercolours are heavy handed.

I didn't go for it in the end as A, my dad reckoned "it'll do you no good to have that prick's art on your wall", and B, I had other avenues where the 800 quid was sorely needed. In retrospect I'm sorry I didn't buy. Investment wise it would be worth at least an added zero, and for me the best thing to do with historical items that may cause discomfort is to render them more inert by modern usage. Swords into ploughshares kinda thing.

Jake and Dino Champman did a whole series of works where they "prettified" Hitlers work. They explain it here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBvfgJWC0WA

Del.Monte · 02-10-2018 12:09AM

Poor old Adolf was quite an accomplished landscape artist but he wasn't from the right social class for the establishment. One wonders how the course of history could have run very differently had his ability been recognised. Too Germanic for my taste not to mention my pocket.

Hitler%2Bpainting.jpeg

Atoms for Peace · 02-10-2018 12:10AM

What do you call a traveller with a panzer tank?

indioblack · 02-10-2018 12:20AM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Poor old Adolf was quite an accomplished landscape artist but he wasn't from the right social class for the establishment. One wonders how the course of history could have run very differently had his ability been recognised. Too Germanic for my taste not to mention my pocket.

Have to add this one:
"I can't get the f...ing trees right - damn, I will kill everyone in the world!"
Eddie Izzard.

Donald Trump · 02-10-2018 12:39AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Back in the 90's I was offered an original Hitler watercolour/gouache of a farmyard scene for around 800 quid IIRC. I was tempted TBH. Both for the historical aspect and it was actually well done and decorative. He was pure shite at painting people and the like, but his landscapes and architectural stuff was pretty decent. Again IIRC he wanted to be an architect? He certainly had some talent for art. In my humble a better talent than one of his nemesis' Churchill, whose watercolours are heavy handed.

I didn't go for it in the end as A, my dad reckoned "it'll do you no good to have that prick's art on your wall", and B, I had other avenues where the 800 quid was sorely needed. In retrospect I'm sorry I didn't buy. Investment wise it would be worth at least an added zero, and for me the best thing to do with historical items that may cause discomfort is to render them more inert by modern usage. Swords into ploughshares kinda thing.

I say that typing on my laptop which resides on top of a WW2 ammo box for a Junkers JU 87 "PanzerKnacker" turned into a laptop table. When I enjoy a boiled egg of a morning, it usually sits in a U-Boat eggcup. For me, that's how you think about, integrate and defuse a past that needs thinking about, integrating and defusing.

PanzerKnacker is my word of the day for today.

Where can I find one?

Would make a good chat up line - "Wanna come back to mine to see my PanzerKnacker?"

02-10-2018 01:59AM

His art is boring and conservative, Vienna at the start of the century was home to the Secession, the likes of Klimt and Wagner and a desire to break free from the stuffy, rigid styles of the past centuries in art and architecture. You needed either vision and talent to make a start, both to succeed and Hitler had neither

wally79 · 02-10-2018 02:10AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Back in the 90's I was offered an original Hitler watercolour/gouache of a farmyard scene for around 800 quid IIRC. I was tempted TBH. Both for the historical aspect and it was actually well done and decorative. He was pure shite at painting people and the like, but his landscapes and architectural stuff was pretty decent. Again IIRC he wanted to be an architect? He certainly had some talent for art. In my humble a better talent than one of his nemesis' Churchill, whose watercolours are heavy handed.

I didn't go for it in the end as A, my dad reckoned "it'll do you no good to have that prick's art on your wall", and B, I had other avenues where the 800 quid was sorely needed. In retrospect I'm sorry I didn't buy. Investment wise it would be worth at least an added zero, and for me the best thing to do with historical items that may cause discomfort is to render them more inert by modern usage. Swords into ploughshares kinda thing.

I say that typing on my laptop which resides on top of a WW2 ammo box for a Junkers JU 87 "PanzerKnacker" turned into a laptop table. When I enjoy a boiled egg of a morning, it usually sits in a U-Boat eggcup. For me, that's how you think about, integrate and defuse a past that needs thinking about, integrating and defusing.

Yes, these would be German as well?
That's right.
Nothing from the Allied side?
No, that sort of thing wouldn't interest me at all.

Wibbs · 02-10-2018 09:43AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

PanzerKnacker is my word of the day for today.

Where can I find one?

Good luck with that one. Extremely rare these days. They only built a couple of dozen of the aircraft so bits and bobs attached to them were rare enough in the first place. Mind you can get all sorts of WW2 ammo crates on ebay which would make good if odd coffee tables.

riffmongous wrote: »

His art is boring and conservative, Vienna at the start of the century was home to the Secession, the likes of Klimt and Wagner and a desire to break free from the stuffy, rigid styles of the past centuries in art and architecture. You needed either vision and talent to make a start, both to succeed and Hitler had neither

Oh true R, but at the time 99% of working artists weren't doing the Modernist stuff and 99% of the public weren't buying it. Boring and conservative was the order of the day. Still is to a large extent. Few enough people's houses contain "modern art" even today. He could have worked as an illustrator for magazines, postcards and the like.

wally79 wrote:

Yes, these would be German as well?
That's right.
Nothing from the Allied side?
No, that sort of thing wouldn't interest me at all.

Suckler · 02-10-2018 09:47AM

Your Face wrote: »

It's all on Adverts.ie

Swap your Vermeer or Klimt for a 1.1 VW Polo no tax no NCT ? Some old gardening tools in the boot I'll throw in as well.

Hector Savage · 02-10-2018 09:52AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Back in the 90's I was offered an original Hitler watercolour/gouache of a farmyard scene for around 800 quid IIRC. I was tempted TBH. Both for the historical aspect and it was actually well done and decorative. He was pure shite at painting people and the like, but his landscapes and architectural stuff was pretty decent. Again IIRC he wanted to be an architect? He certainly had some talent for art. In my humble a better talent than one of his nemesis' Churchill, whose watercolours are heavy handed.

I didn't go for it in the end as A, my dad reckoned "it'll do you no good to have that prick's art on your wall", and B, I had other avenues where the 800 quid was sorely needed. In retrospect I'm sorry I didn't buy. Investment wise it would be worth at least an added zero, and for me the best thing to do with historical items that may cause discomfort is to render them more inert by modern usage. Swords into ploughshares kinda thing.

I say that typing on my laptop which resides on top of a WW2 ammo box for a Junkers JU 87 "PanzerKnacker" turned into a laptop table. When I enjoy a boiled egg of a morning, it usually sits in a U-Boat eggcup. For me, that's how you think about, integrate and defuse a past that needs thinking about, integrating and defusing.

You racist nazi bigot!!!

Seriously, imagine if you were a person anywhere in the public eye, could you imagine the lynchmob after you now.

The headlines.

Wibbs admires Nazi art!
Has collection!
<photo of father ted nazi priests with giant swastika in background>

Wibbs · 02-10-2018 10:40AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

You racist nazi bigot!!!

Seriously, imagine if you were a person anywhere in the public eye, could you imagine the lynchmob after you now.

I suppose it depends on the person involved. Lemmy of Motorhead fame was an avid collector of nazi memorabilia, flags, uniforms, daggers, that sorta thing, including at one point a tank. As you do..

Now if a holier than thou Hollywood type did similar I'd say there'd be hell to pay alright. It depends on why someone collects that sorta thing. Most I'd reckon would just be collectors and that happens to be their thing, a few no doubt would be Neo nazi types. Not good. A true nazi nutbag would have hated someone like Lemmy going around wearing that stuff. Good I say.

ohnonotgmail · 02-10-2018 10:49AM

Wibbs wrote: »

I suppose it depends on the person involved. Lemmy of Motorhead fame was an avid collector of nazi memorabilia, flags, uniforms, daggers, that sorta thing, including at one point a tank. As you do..

Now if a holier than thou Hollywood type did similar I'd say there'd be hell to pay alright. It depends on why someone collects that sorta thing. Most I'd reckon would just be collectors and that happens to be their thing, a few no doubt would be Neo nazi types. Not good. A true nazi nutbag would have hated someone like Lemmy going around wearing that stuff. Good I say.

That is not a tank.

Effects · 02-10-2018 10:52AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Back in the 90's I was offered an original Hitler watercolour/gouache of a farmyard scene for around 800 quid IIRC.

It was probably a fake. Lots of them knocking about.

Wibbs · 02-10-2018 10:54AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

That is not a tank.

as I typed it I just knew...

Shorthand for the non anal; tank. For the anal; Jagdpanzer(though technically it's kinda still a "tank").

Effects wrote: »

It was probably a fake. Lots of them knocking about.

Possibly E, though provenance was pretty solid and it was pre the interwebs and the massive rise in the number of collectors(of anything) and the need to feed the market with fakes.

wexie · 02-10-2018 10:54AM

Wibbs wrote: »

, and for me the best thing to do with historical items that may cause discomfort is to render them more inert by modern usage. Swords into ploughshares kinda thing.

Awful lot more sensible and useful approach I think than the current trend of trying to erase/whitewash history, pull down statues and all that guff.

ohnonotgmail · 02-10-2018 10:55AM

Wibbs wrote: »

as I typed it I just knew... Shorthand for the non anal; tank. For the anal; Jagdpanzer.

Jadgpanzer 38 to be exact.

wexie · 02-10-2018 10:55AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Now if a holier than thou Hollywood type did similar I'd say there'd be hell to pay alright. It depends on why someone collects that sorta thing.

Maybe people realized that Lemmy wouldn't have given 2 ****s

Victor · 03-10-2018 03:40AM

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Where did all the artwork liberated by the Monuments Men go to?
Just watching Forbidden History and got to wondering where it all went?

People are still trying to recover stolen property: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/02/french-court-orders-return-of-looted-painting-to-jewish-family?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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