Two more victims of "unknown substance" in U.K.

wexie wrote: »

and door handles!!!

:pac:

and their cups of tea

Whatever about Chepiga, you don't need any facial recognition software to see this is one and the same guy.

xckjoo wrote: »

Fair play. You questioned but didn't get so stuck on your theory that you ignored all evidence to the contrary. Too many people these days are too obsessed with convincing themselves they're right that they're unable to learn.

And then you have people like Craig Murray who has managed to be so consistently wrong every step of the way on this. Even in one of the more recent articles he's claiming that the picture of Chepiga on the wall was faked - that wall, if you'll remember, is accessible to the public and has been photographed by loads of people. There are even photos of it on Russian state websites showing the picture.

So, what can we conclude about Craig Murray from this? Is he an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about? Is he paid by Russian media to push disinformation? Whatever it is, his blog is a useless source of information.

He's either thick or he's lying and hopefully people will understand this before using him as a source on here.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

journalism on Sky News

LOL

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

This latest episode of propaganda will quickly die down and will be dropped by a compliant media within a day or two and this thread will also go very quiet accordingly. (like the Salisbury 'third suspect')
There will be a break for a time before the next episode of anti Russia propaganda is prepared for the masses.

Sergey Fedotov?

Were you trying to imply that the third suspect doesn't exist?

This thread has been very interesting and it has highlighted several important things.

First of all, Craig Murray is full of shít. I can't stress this enough.

Second, your "contributions" in trying to paint this as some anti-russian propaganda was very far off the mark. Even as evidence piled in, you persisted. I hope you learn from this and sort out whatever it is about yourself that made you come up with such an incorrect interpretation of what happened. Maybe you're getting your information from dodgy sources with a poor track record? Who knows, but your strategy of laying the blame everywhere but at the foot of Russia is clearly not helping your judgement.

And finally, disinformation is real.

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I presume if the GRU wanted Skripal eliminated he would been have promptly eliminated

Argument from personal incredulity (again)

Why did they try and kill Litvinenko with Polonium 210? Almost as if they wanted him to have an agonizing public death, almost as if they wanted to leave absolutely no doubts he was killed by the Russian state, almost as if they want a deterrent to ex-spies and traitors giving away secrets

Likewise why would Kim Jong Un have his half-brother killed with VX nerve gas when it could have been done "quietly" in any number of ways

so I have no idea who these two clowns who stayed in a cheap run down hotel and who took public transport are?

The rest of the world has an idea who they are. Their neighbours/friends/(ex)colleagues (the one's told not to speak to the media) have an idea who they are. The Russian military records show they know who they are.

You have been asked several times but are unable to give an explanation. Likewise you are unable to provide credible evidence or facts to the contrary. You have no counter-argument.

You seem unable (or unwilling) to process facts/information which run counter to your personally held beliefs and world views, hence you engage in a never-ending stream of personal incredulity. That's fine, it represents the strength of your argument

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

What evidence and what happened?
I presume if the GRU wanted Skripal eliminated he would been have promptly eliminated so I have no idea who these two clowns who stayed in a cheap run down hotel and who took public transport are?
I am interested why the British media was full of stories of the Skripal-Christopher Steele connection in the days after the 'incident' on March 4th and why all references to this connection suddenly stopped?
Nice personal attack by the way but I'm used to it by now.

If you seriously still believe that they were there for the spire, which by the way is an amazing 123 meters tall, I don't think I believe you. Of all the evidence that we have, it would be one hell of a coincidence if these guys were constantly in the wrong place at the wrong time so many times.

mbur wrote: »

I nearly crashed the van yesterday listening to Him of the double barrel name on RTE1 quoting the latest Bellincat findings. What next? Snopes? How pathetic. Of course this is all hearsay that will never see the inside of a couthouse. But as propaganda it seem to be working. It's called creating consent and it is all going well. But many of us are not so gullible. This guy for example.

The bellingcat evidence is from open sources. That is, evidence that's already available from the internet from photos on social media and old, leaked russian databases. If you think that's impossible, that's fine but that's telling us more about yourself than their evidence. Sort of like flat earthers and sovereign citizens. you can check the evidence yourself or you can get your info from some guy's blog. Up to you.

mcmoustache wrote: »

I was about to check it out. Thanks for saving me the time. Is it as good as Craig "wrong all the time" Murray's blog?

This one is definitely a bit more nutty

"The Bible makes it abundantly clear that Jesus Christ will have dominion to the ends of the Earth, and not even anti-Christian fundamentalism can prevent this. Once the nihilistic presuppositions of secularism have brought forth all the kinds of rotten fruit that you might expect nihilistic presuppositions to produce, the nations that rejected God will one day return."

mcmoustache wrote: »

The bellingcat evidence is from open sources. That is, evidence that's already available from the internet from photos on social media and old, leaked russian databases. If you think that's impossible, that's fine but that's telling us more about yourself than their evidence. Sort of like flat earthers and sovereign citizens. you can check the evidence yourself or you can get your info from some guy's blog. Up to you.

Sorry dude but yes, I do think it is impossible that there is a provable and reliable chain of evidence here. There isn't even any reliable evidence that the Skripals were exposed to Novichok at all. So cut it out with the veiled insults and stick with the facts for a change. As for getting your info from some guy's blog - Isn't that what you, The BBC, RTE etc, etc, are doing?

Oh and all that straw man stuff about Rob Slane's religious beliefs it does your case no credit. The way I see it, if a believer like him won't swallow the UK governments version of the Skripal case then who will. So lets just consider his many questions about the Skripal case. This in particular:

Even if the Bellingcat claims turn out to be true, it doesn’t alter this crucial point: The Metropolitan Police has so far failed to provide any convincing evidence that the two suspects they have named walked up to 47 Christie Miller Road and placed “Novichok” on the door handle. They have CCTV footage of the men in Salisbury on 3rd and 4th March. And yet the actual details of their movements that they have given out are in reality non-existent. Perhaps Bellingcat would like to answer the question of why this is. Since they appear to have taken over the investigation, that is.

So while we wait for Bellingcat's next revalation Consider this:

The truth is we don't know who these men are. we don't know if they are gru. but we know they weren't carrying the necessary safety equipment for the very toxic military grade novichok , since all they had was a small (day) backpack.

So tell me you're gru, you go to brit embassy for a visa, give them bio-metrics and your links to gru offices. and you travel on ‘spy’ passports and you make certain you are visible to cctv and then ensure that an armchair sleuth can seemingly identify you from military records .. So you've outed yourself and contained your future within Russia for the rest of your life. all for, on the face of it, an actor who left the limelight a decade ago.

this is the narrative that your high quality press is telling you and which you think is plausible.

All the while noting that the important actors in this saga have left the stage with the assistance of the UK government, The Skripals and the mysterious Det Sgt Nick Bailey.