NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

More than a few

He spends his 37 euros in good local Irish businesses, true patriot.

dublinman1990 wrote: »

This has just become a much bigger mess.

Leo just said in the Dáil that Naughten had 3 more private meetings with David McCourt with no state official's present at them. No minutes were recorded for those meetings. What the hell was going on with those meetings between the two of them if the process for the NBP was being finalized.

Education Minister Richard Bruton is being assigned as Minister of Communications for a temporary basis.

Jumping in, here - what does the above mean for the renewal of the MAN concession until 2030 at the stroke of the (former) ministerial pen?

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The gov can drop the remaining bidder without any 'compensation' due to the inappropriate meetings with the minister.
End of NBP.

The gov could then roll out a state-owned broadband scheme using both ESB and Enet, both of whom now have experience in this area.

The result would be much more acceptable to most people ...... at least it would be state owned, and hopefully this time not sold off.

Of course it would not be acceptable to those who much prefer commercial ownership of necessary infrastructure!

Compulsory purchase the telephone poles Eir haven't given a **** about for years while at it too.

Can the government do a state rollout after the failure of a tender?

roddy15 wrote: »

Compulsory purchase the telephone poles Eir haven't given a **** about for years while at it too.

Why take on something that requires duplicate maintenance to the ESB poles?

Can the government do a state rollout after the failure of a tender?

Is there a reason why not?
No commercial entity has expressed interest in providing the service.

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Both Naughten & McCourt should have known that if they were not allowed to meet each other during this process. Everything would have been fine if it this broadband plan went swimmingly well & left largely untouched by inappropriate ends. A large proportion of people in rural Ireland do lose out under this controversy. But how much do they lose out? Do FF want to risk an election now over a failed process like this one when they are more bigger things outside of Ireland at stake when a potential no deal on Brexit takes effect in the UK?

A ****ing lot, if we have to wait another 6 years just to get back to this point I'm going to be ****ing loopy and no politician involved in the collapse of the plan better come near this house.

Either the consortium get the contract or we have a state-owned rollout and this needs to be decided now not 6 years down the line.

What comprises the procurement team involved in this?

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It is now state owned .......  so the state can withdraw the contract from itself should it deem it necessary. .....  part of the 'disruption' I mentioned.

So if not Enet, then maybe ESB and some other state-owned entity?
I cannot think of another suitable one presently. Can you?

Maybe ESB with sub-contractors could manage it I suppose ......

I think if it is to be re-done they'll just come to some arrangement with eir to extend their current rollout.

There is no guarantee that the ESB would even want to be involved. eir have such a head start on them it would make the most sense to use them.

ESB should be told to be involved, it is a semi state for god sake.

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

I think if it is to be re-done they'll just come to some arrangement with eir to extend their current rollout.

There is no guarantee that the ESB would even want to be involved. eir have such a head start on them it would make the most sense to use them.

No guarantee about ESB is true ..... but they are involved with SIRO, so seem like a fairly good bet IMO.

Using eir would seem like just going down another rabbit hole ....... they have not even done their commercial area in a robust fashion, skipping areas, and depending on corrupted or faulty databases for information. Their customer service is diabolical. etc. etc.

I would most definitely favour ESB ..... and in fact have posted so since before anything was decided about ownership or tenders.

I don't really believe that the ESB would not be interested if conditions were right.

12 years.
I've been waiting for broadband for 12 years now at this stage.
The NBS that Three were awarded 10 years ago was a non-starter around here at the time, and even to this day their offering around here consists of incredibly patchy 4G
Eircom hasn't bothered improving any infrastructure here in decades such that the only internet access I can even get from them to this day is dial-up, and since announcing their fibre rollout 3 years ago have subsequently pushed the ETA back by years with no sign of it happening this side of summer next year.
Even fixed wireless isn't available at my house despite Westnet's efforts.

No viable options in the forseeable future, and another hopeful one gets torpedoed.

I'm so sick of this shít.

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Even if it could be done cheaper with eir? ESB have none of the infrastructure in place that eir have.

In fairness to whoever made the 300k decision in eir it has worked spectacularly well. They could not have predicted the Naughten incompetence but their plan was a masterstroke.

ESB would have the SIRO towns as a launch point. Plus they have exactly the type of hierarchical network (400KV, 220KV, 110KV, 400V, 220V) that lends itself exactly to this, all in tip top condition.

SIRO could choose to roll it out on a commercial/wholesale basis.

now does broadband collapse the government