Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

11-10-2018 12:38PM

meeeeh wrote: »

You mean a woman who was raped shouldn't have a say about her experience? That's irresponsible?!!!

I am not saying that, of course the lady is entitled to speak, but the coverage by Ciara Kelly is utterly biased! She condemns the entire male gender and continually does this , week after week, based on the behaviour of a few!

meeeeh · 11-10-2018 12:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I am not saying that, of course the lady is entitled to speak, but the coverage by Ciara Kelly is utterly biased! She condemns the entire male gender and continually does this , week after week, based on the behaviour of a few!

Actually she doesn't and to think that would be lacking basic understanding of what she was saying.

meeeeh · 11-10-2018 12:45PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Funny you should say that, her main guest, who Ciara was trying to dismiss, was also raped. As soon as she mentioned this to Ciara, Ciara suddenly tried to backtrack how she was dismissing all her points.

No she didn't but I think she realised one of them spoke with a bit more experience.

Sleeper12 · 11-10-2018 12:49PM

JJayoo wrote:

On the radio again acting the victim

Getting the popcorn. This should be good after the last 30 minutes

11-10-2018 12:50PM

meeeeh wrote: »

No she didn't but I think she realised one of them spike with a bit more experience.

interesting how almost all listeners absolutely slated Ciara Kelly today for what she was saying - with her anti men bias she should not be a broadcaster. She is bringing her personal feelings into all these interviews.
You would NEVER hear Pat Kenny handle a debate in that manner. As a broadcaster and interviewer you are meant to be unbiased. Ciara Kelly is NOT.

Hurrache · 11-10-2018 12:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Every single one of us has had weird experiences - I was flashed, I was groped, shouted at, whistled at, stared at, commented on, ass pinched -and dealt with it all. Its PART OF LIFE!!

Why should it be?

Deleted User wrote: »

As a broadcaster and interviewer you are meant to be unbiased. Ciara Kelly is NOT.

You're under no obligation to be so on your own show on an independent station.

Dayo93 · 11-10-2018 12:52PM

Having listened to her for a while now I have noticed that she really try's to force her guests or callers to agree with her opinion and when they don't I can feel really sense her getting frustrated and pisssed of with them

jace_da_face · 11-10-2018 12:56PM

She is whipping up a woman vs man hysteria for sure. That was absolutely the worst I’ve heard from her and it is extremely unhelpful.

Her argument in today’s show goes something like “A woman’s biggest fear is being raped by a man, but a man’s biggest fear is to be blamed by a woman if he glances at her the wrong way”. That is a total straw man argument. A logical fallacy. If we are going to compare men and women’s experience in this regard, I would say a man’s biggest fear is to be attacked, beaten up, robbed or stabbed in the street.

But she would rather twist the argument in an anti-men way. This is so unhelpful. We need good men, good women, working together to stay safe. And yes, if this frenzy continues and it gets to the stage when men are frightened to accidentally glance at a woman in the street for fear of being accused or called-out, this is a very unhelpful development.

I can’t tell if she twists arguments this way to stir it up and help her ratings, or is she so far gone she believes it

meeeeh · 11-10-2018 12:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

interesting how almost all listeners absolutely slated Ciara Kelly today for what she was saying - with her anti men bias she should not be a broadcaster. She is bringing her personal feelings into all these interviews.

Ahm you do realize she didn't read all texts that came in?

And about personal feelings I take it you never heard Pat Kenny interviewing Shinners on water charges. You just think Pat Kenny is unbiased because you agree with his opinions.

meeeeh · 11-10-2018 01:02PM

jace_da_face wrote: »

And yes, if this frenzy continues and it gets to the stage when men are frightened to accidentally glance at a woman in the street for fear of being accused or called-out, this is a very unhelpful development.

Someone tried to rape me, I was groped and kissed by some adult in cinema when I was 12, I was flashed and threatened that I will be raped, I was stalked, my arse was grabbed... they were all separate unconnected experiences.

How many times were you falsely accused?

jace_da_face · 11-10-2018 01:07PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Someone tried to rape me, I was groped and kissed by some adult in cinema when I was 12, I was flashed and threatened that I will be raped, I was stalked, my arse was grabbed... they were all separate unconnected experiences.

How many times were you falsely accused?

What???

11-10-2018 01:07PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Why should it be?

in an ideal world it shouldn't be. But its a tough world out there, not just in Ireland but everywhere. People get attacked (men and women) all over the world. Its not possible to always be safe. I am a realist and its better to be aware of your safety at all times and know how to deal with issues, rather than get hysterical and afraid to walk down the street.

(I was flashed when I was 16 and in France on a cycling holiday with my sisters, in those days there were no mobile phones to ring home, my parents didn't even know whereabouts we were. We survived. These things happen everywhere, they always will)

Hurrache · 11-10-2018 01:07PM

jace_da_face wrote: »

That is a total straw man argument. A logical fallacy. .........
it gets to the stage when men are frightened to accidentally glance at a woman in the street for fear of being accused or called-out, this is a very unhelpful development.

Ok so.

meeeeh · 11-10-2018 01:12PM

jace_da_face wrote: »

What???

You were saying you are in danger to be falsely accused. Is it from experience? Or you are just stroking imaginary fear to make yourself a victim when an awful lot of women actually speak from experience.

Sleeper12 · 11-10-2018 01:19PM

I'm sure rapped is worse than being falsely accused. However falsely accused of rape must be a horrible thing

JJayoo · 11-10-2018 01:19PM

meeeeh wrote: »

You were saying you are in danger to be falsely accused. Is it from experience? Or you are just stroking imaginary fear when an awful lot of women actually speak from experience.

So every single woman should view every man as her potential rapist/murderer?

Oh my now I totally agree with Ciara

meeeeh · 11-10-2018 01:23PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm sure rapped is worse than being falsely accused. However falsely accused of rape must be a horrible thing

I agree, I'm not diminishing that but it's a bit rich to suggest accusations are as common as actual sexual violence. And when calls are made for some behaviour to be unacceptable there are constant replys of what about men, they could be accused unfairly. Yes they could, it's a crime but so is rape. Guess which is more common.

Edgware · 11-10-2018 01:24PM

And Ciara was very tough on that woman on Op. Transformation just because she got half pissed on a day at the races.
Typical medical person, can't take anyone disagreeing with her.

meeeeh · 11-10-2018 01:26PM

JJayoo wrote: »

So every single woman should view every man as her potential rapist/murderer?

Oh my now I totally agree with Ciara

What???? Talk about deflecting again and again just so you can excuse sexual crime.

jace_da_face · 11-10-2018 01:28PM

meeeeh wrote: »

You were saying you are in danger to be falsely accused. Is it from experience? Or you are just stroking imaginary fear when an awful lot of women actually speak from experience.

Well actually the argument I was making is that all sexes have something to fear walking down a dark alley. Ciara Kelly’s argument in her show today seemed to suggest that the only thing men need fear is being judged by woman for looking at them the ‘wrong’ way. Did you hear the piece? She did mention that a couple of times.

As for the “Is it from experience?”, no it’s not. Not sure why you ask. But I’ll bet a lot of men, good men, have changed their behaviour around women these days out of paranoia. Is that progress?

JJayoo · 11-10-2018 01:32PM

meeeeh wrote: »

What???? Talk about deflecting again and again just so you can excuse sexual crime.

So I can excuse sexual crime? What a bizzare thing to say unless I think rape is great craic?

Do I think rape is ok?

Hmmmm Meeeeh can you please let me know what I think as you seem to be able to decide and dictate what others think.

meeeeh · 11-10-2018 01:35PM

JJayoo wrote: »

So I can excuse sexual crime? What a bizzare thing to say unless I think rape is great craic?

Do I think rape is ok?

Hmmmm Meeeeh can you please let me know what I think as you seem to be able to decide and dictate what others think.

I'm just making same type of outlandish conclusions like you are.

meeeeh · 11-10-2018 01:41PM

jace_da_face wrote: »

Well actually the argument I was making is that all sexes have something to fear walking down a dark alley. Ciara Kelly’s argument in her show today seemed to suggest that the only thing men need fear is being judged by woman for looking at them the ‘wrong’ way. Did you hear the piece? She did mention that a couple of times.

As for the “Is it from experience?”, no it’s not. Not sure why you ask. But I’ll bet a lot of men, good men, have changed their behaviour around women these days out of paranoia. Is that progress?

Because there is a difference in probability. Sexual assault is a lot more common than false accusations. I'm not saying I am constantly afraid because frankly I am not, I don't think it's productive. But I do find it laughable when something that maybe could happen to you some day is equalised in probability with something that happens a lot more often.

jace_da_face · 11-10-2018 01:57PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Because there is a difference in probability. Sexual assault is a lot more common than false accusations. I'm not saying I am constantly afraid because frankly I am not, I don't think it's productive. But I do find it laughable when something that maybe could happen to you some day is equalised in probability with something that happens a lot more often.

I think we are arguing two different things here. My point is that Ciara equated a woman’s fear of being raped, with a man’s fear of being wrongly called-out for looking at a woman in the wrong way. She did this in response to a texter who mentioned this and she repeated again later. Ok you can choose to compare these two things if you want. Clearly one is worse than the other. But we can compare all sorts of things that are disconnected. The fallacy in her argument is that she suggests that this is the worst thing a man needs to fear.

But step back here for a moment. The bigger discussion was about the fear of walking down a dark alley. So why in this respect did she make the comparison that she did? Why not compare the fear of being assaulted by both sexes? And that I would suggest is a straw man argument.

meeeeh · 11-10-2018 02:05PM

jace_da_face wrote: »

But step back here for a moment. The bigger discussion was about the fear of walking down a dark alley. So why in this respect did she make the comparison that she did? Why not compare the fear of being assaulted by both sexes? And that I would suggest is a straw man argument.

My reply to you wasn't about the fear of walking down the ally, it was about dismissing sexual assaults with how this could affect men and make them victims of false accusations.

As for the fear of walking down the dark alley, I don't know. I said I agreed more with Larissa Nolan's argument but I don't like whataboutery.

Sleeper12 · 11-10-2018 03:04PM

If saying on the radio everyday that men shouldn't attack or rape women then every radio station should do it every hour on the hour. Sadly telling men not to rape has no effect.

The 60 year old woman that rang in had things tough but she's from a different planet if she thinks that most rapists aren't thought to respect women. They choose not to respect women. It has very little to do with their parents.

My wife was beside me today listening. She's never heard the show. She was stunned listening to ciara. Not a good day for the show imo

Scott Tenorman · 11-10-2018 09:47PM

She made a show of herself when she strawmanned an argument with her guest shouting at her over and over something like "so you think being wrongly accused is worse than rape" until her guest eventually told her she had been raped before and Ciara backtracked and apologised.

It really was astonishingly bad stuff!

And after what happened to her predecessor she would have been well advised to not touch this subject with a barge pole.

ButtersSuki · 11-10-2018 09:50PM

But.....but....but....but....but you’re not allowed criticize Ciara on this thread....:rolleyes:

Uncharted · 11-10-2018 10:22PM

Ciara Kelly is an utter disgrace.

A shambolic,attention grabbing amateur "presenter".

She has latched on to the new wave of,"shock and horror" at the treatment of women in everyday life.
Cheap and unimaginative media hyperbole boiled down into a couple of hours of male loathing.

By the way,I'm a doctor......and all that good stuff!!!!! Arrrrgh!!!

She utterly sickens me.

anthonyjmaher · 11-10-2018 10:24PM

I made the mistake of switching over after 12 today and she was on her favourite topic, men bashing. If she's not stabbing a man in the back and stealing his job, she is portraying all men as rapists.

Please god that Doctor that she slandered will put an end to this vile woman's broadcasting career. I don't if the doctor Gabriel Stewart hasn't actually cured anybody, as long as he cures this show.

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