No Irish Carbon tax...wah wah wah

Pkiernan · 09-10-2018 09:25PM #1

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45798643

Better be worried about the thousand plus coal plants that Australia and China are bringing online.

Funny how the lefties don't decry Chinese and Australian pollution...

elperello · 09-10-2018 09:34PM

In all fairness Irish climate change campaigners are going to try to change policy in Ireland.
They have little chance of making headway with our own Government never mind expecting them to influence regimes on the other side of the planet.

It's hard to achieve change if we set one sector against another.
No use preaching the evils of the ICE car to someone who is stuck commuting 30 km every day just to make a living.

A personal carbon allowance is the way forward.
What's the point of driving an electric car if you are going to the airport in it to fly to Florida for a long weekend?

Atlantic Dawn · 09-10-2018 09:37PM

Some of the clowns here would be happy with us paying €400 a litre for petrol in their idiotic belief that the earths weather would be grand as a result.

There needs to be levys on meat sales within this country if they want to follow a polluter pays principal.

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-10-2018 09:48PM

That fcuking lentil eating hippy from friends of the earth was whinging all day on the airwaves about it

elperello · 09-10-2018 09:53PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

That fcuking lentil eating hippy from friends of the earth was whinging all day on the airwaves about it

Relax, he is just a voice in the debate.
He's not going to whip the steak off your plate!

emo72 · 09-10-2018 09:57PM

ok. basically this it..... why are you putting extra tax on something that i have to buy anyway. i need a car for transport, and i have to heat the house. there is no alternative for me. put the extra tax on it i will still have to buy it anyway.

If you want me to use alternatives, provide suitable alternatives.

ednwireland · 09-10-2018 09:58PM

carbon tax is cash grab nothing else if it was ring fenced and used to fund public transport that can get you to work (outside dubin) or maybe insulate the housing stock or solar panel say i might think it would have an effect.
however they take the money and leave you with paying more as the only option

eamonn ryan and the greens have never had a green thought in their lives or an original or inspiring one just tax tax tax !!!!

punisher5112 · 09-10-2018 10:00PM

ednwireland wrote: »

carbon tax is cash grab nothing else if it was ring fenced and used to fund public transport that can get you to work (outside dubin) or maybe insulate the housing stock or solar panel say i might think it would have an effect.
however they take the money and leave you with paying more as the only option

eamonn ryan and the greens have never had a green thought in their lives or an original or inspiring one just tax tax tax !!!!

I can't stand that fool Ryan.....

How he gets so much air time.

They fooked up big time promoting dangerous cancer causing diesels.

They should be put out in a field and left there to talk to the grass.

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-10-2018 10:03PM

elperello wrote: »

Relax, he is just a voice in the debate.
He's not going to whip the steak off your plate!

There is less steak on everyone's plate because of these charlatans

elperello · 09-10-2018 10:06PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

There is less steak on everyone's plate because of these charlatans

Friends Of The Earth is an environmental NGO. Not attached to the Green Party at all.

(for clarity I'm not a member of either)

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-10-2018 10:07PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

I can't stand that fool Ryan.....

How he gets so much air time.

They fooked up big time promoting dangerous cancer causing diesels.

They should be put out in a field and left there to talk to the grass.

I think supporting the Fianna Fáil crime organisation would have been the final nail in their eco friendly coffins

Atlantic Dawn · 09-10-2018 10:08PM

Why no talk at all about acid rain and air pollution in city centres as a result of emissions from vehicles, it's gone completely from the news in this country since they started waffling about global warming climate change.

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-10-2018 10:08PM

elperello wrote: »

Friends Of The Earth is an environmental NGO. Not attached to the Green Party at all.

(for clarity I'm not a member of either)

You better not be

_Kaiser_ · 09-10-2018 10:26PM

Most of the price of a litre of petrol/diesel is tax anyway. Then you have massively inflated insurance which is taxed too (VAT and various levys), motor tax, tax on tolls, tyres (incl a disposal charge) etc...

Add to that the fact that more people have been priced out of Dublin in particular and so have to face longer commutes so they can pay still more tax on their salary. Public transport is non-existant or impractical in many cases, and even where it is available it's unreliable, overcrowded, slow and expensive (and ALSO taxed).

I think motorists are already paying more than their share TBH.

suicide_circus · 09-10-2018 10:33PM

irish governments know how to do three things

tax things

ban things

commission reports

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-10-2018 10:39PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Most of the price of a litre of petrol/diesel is tax anyway. Then you have massively inflated insurance which is taxed too (VAT and various levys), motor tax, tax on tolls, tyres (incl a disposal charge) etc...

Add to that the fact that more people have been priced out of Dublin in particular and so have to face longer commutes so they can pay still more tax on their salary. Public transport is non-existant or impractical in many cases, and even where it is available it's unreliable, overcrowded, slow and expensive (and ALSO taxed).

I think motorists are already paying more than their share TBH.

The ones who are driving this are the people living in the suburbs of east Dublin who only use a car on weekends or never at all

punisher5112 · 09-10-2018 10:46PM

I understand the link I'm posting is 2017 but what's stopping here doing the same and start making it affordable for all not just the rich.

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/25/norway-leads-way-electric-cars-green-taxation-shift?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fenvironment%2F2017%2Fdec%2F25%2Fnorway-leads-way-electric-cars-green-taxation-shift

Why is it in 2011 they could put in chargers and let the rich who could afford it free electricity?

Nothing has really moved on since.

We are such a small island but could do so much to improve our health but there is no push to do it.

Transportation needs big spending and fixing.

Prioritize buses and get them moving quicker.

super_furry · 09-10-2018 10:49PM

Pkiernan wrote: »

Funny how the lefties don't decry Chinese and Australian pollution...

You are very, very bad at the internet.

keith_sixteen · 09-10-2018 10:50PM

emo72 wrote: »

ok. basically this it..... why are you putting extra tax on something that i have to buy anyway. i need a car for transport, and i have to heat the house. there is no alternative for me. put the extra tax on it i will still have to buy it anyway.

If you want me to use alternatives, provide suitable alternatives.

Wah wah wah. Me me me.

Harry Palmr · 09-10-2018 10:52PM

An Ireland carbon tax is not designed to save the world from Chinese pollution, it's intended to rebalance the economy over time and avoid some pretty massive EU fines.

punisher5112 · 09-10-2018 10:53PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

An Ireland carbon tax is not designed to save the world from Chinese pollution, it's intended to rebalance the economy over time and avoid some pretty massive EU fines.

We need to fix the issue not keep bleeding a stone which is what's happening to us.

They take take take....

Harry Palmr · 09-10-2018 10:55PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

We need to fix the issue not keep bleeding a stone which is what's happening to us.

They take take take....

Carrot and stick is always the mix, it's never carrots and more carrots.

blinding · 09-10-2018 10:59PM

We are giving those that come after us loads of science and technology to sort this sh*t out . If they can’t manage it with all that help ; Fook em .

Heh ! Look Out Giant Asteroid !

gozunda · 09-10-2018 11:05PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Some of the clowns here would be happy with us paying €400 a litre for petrol in their idiotic belief that the earths weather would be grand as a result.

There needs to be levys on meat sales within this country if they want to follow a polluter pays principal.

There needs to be some serious punitive taxes on those sjw's who choose to eat imported avocados from Chile and quinoa from Bolivia - if we really want to stop idiots trying to take over

lmimmfn · 09-10-2018 11:09PM

The constitution says that all taxes should be lumped into a single pot unless legislated against.

Does anyone read the constitution?

Unless they pass a law that carbon taxes are ringfenced for renewable energy then what's the point? The money will get spent on the Margaret Cash's out there.

Therein lies the problem.
Let's also not forget that money collected from carbon taxes for everyone's electricity bills has been used to prop up bord na Mona and digging bogs etc. they were exempt

also this carbon tax on electricity has vat applied on top, yes value added tax on a carbon tax.

So yes its all a load of **** from the government anyway and is just tax collection for other things.

Realt Dearg Sec · 09-10-2018 11:12PM

This reads like it's a joke thread where everyone is pretending to be a cartoon right wing crank without an ounce of logic in their head. Is this a joke, or has anyone with any sense just decided to leave ye to it at this stage?

lmimmfn · 09-10-2018 11:17PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

This reads like it's a joke thread where everyone is pretending to be a cartoon right wing crank without an ounce of logic in their head. Is this a joke, or has anyone with any sense just decided to leave ye to it at this stage?

Not sure what you mean because its all a load of crap anyway

MrMusician18 · 09-10-2018 11:20PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

An Ireland carbon tax is not designed to save the world from Chinese pollution, it's intended to rebalance the economy over time and avoid some pretty massive EU fines.

Which it won't achieve since the average Joe has no control over the vast majority of emissions.

Private transport makes up a surprisingly small proportion of emissions in Ireland, it's just the ubiquity of the car that gives the impression that it is. The average car spends somewhere between 95-99% of it's time parked up.

If we want to get real about emissions we need to stop growing the national herd and close Moneypoint and the peat burning power stations. Carbon tax on the average citizen won't achieve much in the overall scheme of Irish emissions.

vicwatson · 09-10-2018 11:23PM

Suppose the plastic bag tax has been subsumed into the general tax take pond

elperello · 09-10-2018 11:26PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Suppose the plastic bag tax has been subsumed into the general tax take pond

It's a levy not a tax.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/waste_management_and_recycling/plastic_bag_environmental_levy.html

lmimmfn · 09-10-2018 11:27PM

elperello wrote: »

It's a levy not a tax.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/waste_management_and_recycling/plastic_bag_environmental_levy.html

No difference tbh

No Irish Carbon tax...wah wah wah

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