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Saw A teenage Girl Half Naked

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  • #102
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,316 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    BBFAN wrote: »
    This whole thread is quite disturbing masturbating.

    Fixed it for you.


  • #103
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    It’s not up to us to accept how another person dresses.
    I wouldn’t look twice at a toddler running around nappy free, because they’re a child. I wouldn’t judge parents who dress their small daughter in a dress and flashing the childs knickers when they’re holding her in their arms, because she’s a child. Some 14 year old has questionable fashion sense, and reveals too much of herself? As adults it’s up to us not to sexualise that. It is not our place to decide what another child wears is acceptable or not. It doesn’t matter what she wears, she’s not harming anyone.


  • #104
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A phase ? seriously ? God damn, maybe I'm too old but I actually found it repulsive ? I don't want to see this sh1t on the streets.
    Yeah a teenage phase of doing stuff to be cool.

    It's pretty harmless but I agree that it looks awful and it's unnecessary to feel obliged to look so sexualised at such a young age - irrespective of people saying we are in no position to judge (of course we are - everyone judges, including them) and that it's "breaking down sexual taboos" (whatever). All it is is expressing an opinion. I believe you when you say she looked only 14 or 15. Of course you can tell. If anything, sexy clothes are to make people look older than they are. The person at pains to insist she may not be is just backtracking on their comment about "a nice tight looking young one" (Jesus Christ).

    I don't think anyone is saying girls that young should be wearing a handmaid's tale get-up, just not having their arse on display.


  • #105
    Hector Savage
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    Kora Tasty Rave wrote: »
    It’s not up to us to accept how another person dresses.
    I wouldn’t look twice at a toddler running around nappy free, because they’re a child. I wouldn’t judge parents who dress their small daughter in a dress and flashing the childs knickers when they’re holding her in their arms, because she’s a child. Some 14 year old has questionable fashion sense, and reveals too much of herself? As adults it’s up to us not to sexualise that. It is not our place to decide what another child wears is acceptable or not. It doesn’t matter what she wears, she’s not harming anyone.

    Jesus how naive.
    I remember I was in Liverpool once and saw a family out with their daughter - she must have been no more than 9, and she was in a miniskirt makeup, looked like a little tramp - everyone could see this, we were amazed parents would allow her out like that.

    But according to your logic I shouldn't have noticed it ? - hmmm interesting.

    There is a difference between noticing inappropriate dress to actually "sexualising" it ...


  • #106
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    I think it’s weird to look at a 9 year old and call her a little tramp, to be honest.


  • #107
    sbsquarepants
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    In fairness he said she looked one, not that she was. I know where he's coming from - I see those American beauty pageants and I think they look like little tramps. Seriously makes me question their parents intentions.
    Slightly off topic but those shows turn my stomach, how anyone can involve their children in something like that is beyond me.


  • #108
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Kora Tasty Rave wrote: »
    It’s not up to us to accept how another person dresses.

    It is. And we even legislate for it.


  • #109
    Hector Savage
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    In fairness he said she looked one, not that she was. I know where he's coming from - I see those American beauty pageants and I think they look like little tramps. Seriously makes me question their parents intentions.
    Slightly off topic but those shows turn my stomach, how anyone can involve their children in something like that is beyond me.

    Yep they are creepy as f*ck.


  • #110
    bnt
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    If this was Westeros (the world of Game of Thrones), she'd be old enough to either get married and start breeding, or go to work in a whorehouse. This idea that people aren't "adults" until 18 is a very modern thing, since we finally figured out that there's more to life than getting hatched, matched and dispatched. :o

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    Wherever you happen to be
    They bring it to you—free.

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  • #111
    sbsquarepants
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    bnt wrote: »
    If this was Westeros (the world of Game of Thrones), she'd be old enough to either get married and start breeding, or go to work in a whorehouse. This idea that people aren't "adults" until 18 is a very modern thing, since we finally figured out that there's more to life than getting hatched, matched and dispatched. :o

    Never mind Westeros - Labre Park she'd be married with 2 kids by now (4 if the social were asking):D


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  • #112
    Hector Savage
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    bnt wrote: »
    If this was Westeros (the world of Game of Thrones), she'd be old enough to either get married and start breeding, or go to work in a whorehouse. This idea that people aren't "adults" until 18 is a very modern thing, since we finally figured out that there's more to life than getting hatched, matched and dispatched. :o

    in fact you could argue that we aren't really fully "adults" until 22/23 as the brain is still developing until then.

    That's why I always find it creepy that a guy in his 30's can be dating a girl in her early twenties/late teens - even though it's perfectly acceptable in society.


  • #113
    bnt
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    Hector Savage wrote: »
    in fact you could argue that we aren't really fully "adults" until 22/23 as the brain is still developing until then.

    That's why I always find it creepy that a guy in his 30's can be dating a girl in her early twenties/late teens - even though it's perfectly acceptable in society.
    This doesn't contradict what I was saying, it's just that a woman's mental maturity simply wasn't a consideration for most of history. I'd go so far as to say that "dating" someone that young is a sign that you still have that medieval mindset and simply don't care about her brain. :rolleyes:

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    Wherever you happen to be
    They bring it to you—free.

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  • #114
    Wibbs
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    bnt wrote: »
    If this was Westeros (the world of Game of Thrones), she'd be old enough to either get married and start breeding, or go to work in a whorehouse. This idea that people aren't "adults" until 18 is a very modern thing, since we finally figured out that there's more to life than getting hatched, matched and dispatched. :o
    Pretty much. It comes as a shock to our sensibilities. In ancient Greece and Rome women were married off at around 15(sometimes younger) to men in their mid to late 20's and often much older, if a guy had a few quid and had divorced or buried previous wives. Spartan women being the exception as they got hitched around 20 and usually to men around a similar age(they had far more gender equality going on compared to the rest of the classical world which is one reason for this). Until the modern era women were often married off around 16-18, men a little older. At the top of the social tree, royalty were marrying off boys and girls as young as 12. Mad. To such societies the modern western world's trend of more woman having their first kids in their 30's would be considered a truly alien concept.

    As well as social changes medical advances made a huge difference. The risk of dying in pregnancy and childbirth was a very real one. In many societies women, more like girls, with anything to leave behind after them wrote their wills on learning they were pregnant for the first time. Societies figured that younger women would be more likely to survive and give birth to healthy kids. Not realising that younger women/girls are more likely to have complications and fatal ones with it as they're not grown up enough. That risk drops right off after 20.

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  • #115
    sbsquarepants
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    Ah here - if matching mental maturities was a requirement, I'd be obliged to only date teenagers:)


  • #116
    super_furry
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    bnt wrote: »
    If this was Westeros (the world of Game of Thrones), she'd be old enough to either get married and start breeding, or go to work in a whorehouse. This idea that people aren't "adults" until 18 is a very modern thing, since we finally figured out that there's more to life than getting hatched, matched and dispatched. :o

    Aaaaaannd you're on a watchlist.

    I get what you're saying but also back then people were dying of old age at 45.


  • #117
    BeerWolf
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    Women in bikinis are more than half naked... :pac:


  • #118
    Wibbs
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Ah here - if matching mental maturities was a requirement, I'd be obliged to only date teenagers:)
    Having read your stuff down the years SB, teenagers might be a tad advanced for you. :P :D

    TBH I'm not so sure about castigating a 30 year old going out with a 20 year old(going either way gender wise). It really would depend on the people involved.
    super_furry wrote: »
    Aaaaaannd you're on a watchlist.

    I get what you're saying but also back then people were dying of old age at 45.
    Not really, though commonly believed. Longevity stats are dragged down by the truly appalling levels of childhood mortality in the past. If you reached adulthood the chances of you seeing 60, even 70 weren't that much lower than today. If you reached adulthood. It would help if you were male too. Unlike today men tended to live longer than women because of deaths in childbirth. To take a few famous mutant ninja turtles Renaissance types. Michelangelo was 88 when he pegged it. Donatello 80, Leonardo(the clean living vegetarian) made it to his late 60's, Raphael kicked the bucket young alright, in his late 30's(and this was considered tragically young at the time). Other Renaissance artists like Titian made it to nearly 90, Tintoretto late 70's. All were producing art until the end. Impressive in Michelangelo's case as artistically bating the fook outa marble with hammers is not exactly relaxing work.

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  • #119
    suicide_circus
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    paedophiles are interested in pre pubescent children.

    Having an unconscious instinctual automatic attraction to someone who is post pubescent is...well...evolutionarily valid, but not acceptable socially dependant on your own age.


  • #120
    TheBoyConor
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    paedophiles are interested in pre pubescent children.

    Having an unconscious instinctual automatic attraction to someone who is post pubescent is...well...evolutionarily valid, but not acceptable socially dependant on your own age.

    Tbh, as far as the law is concerened anyone with an interest in someone less than the age of consent is a pedo.


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  • #121
    Grayson
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    TheBoyConor wrote: »
    Tbh, as far as the law is concerened anyone with an interest in someone less than the age of consent is a pedo.

    Does the law cover thought? Does it even define paedophillia or does it state what actions are illegal. I'd assume that the DSM would define paedophillia and the law would state what actions are prohibited.


  • #122
    decky1
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    'The times they are a changing' there 's loads of it around. Raging it was'nt the same 30 years ago.


  • #123
    Grayson
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    decky1 wrote: »
    'The times they are a changing' there 's loads of it around. Raging it was'nt the same 30 years ago.

    Those floozies showing their knees!


  • #124
    Walter Bishop
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    Grayson wrote: »
    Does the law cover thought? Does it even define paedophillia or does it state what actions are illegal. I'd assume that the DSM would define paedophillia and the law would state what actions are prohibited.


    Paedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children and that's generally taken to be 12 or younger, in most cases.


    After that you're an ephebophile until they have reached the age of consent.


  • #125
    Lackey
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    Girls ae tramps cause they wear revealing clothes?
    I guess their frigid if they don't put out? or a tease?
    But if they do their a slut and a tramp? or one anyway cause of how they dress.

    There's a few on here who'd be more suited to the middle east.


  • #126
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Grayson wrote: »
    Those floozies showing their knees!

    Walking around with no pants on is a tad different in fairness.

    I don't think any parent would be happy about that.


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  • #127
    hatrickpatrick
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Walking around with no pants on is a tad different in fairness.

    I don't think any parent would be happy about that.

    If I was a parent I would be, but maybe that's just me. I'd be proud to be part of raising a generation which doesn't see sexuality as this secret, whispered thing but a normal, natural, everyday part of being a mammal which doesn't have to be "revered" in any way. Obviously I'd be educating them about the risks of getting pregnant, getting STIs or getting emotionally burned, but ultimately I'd be happy that they're not seeing it as this "ultra special, sacred thing" which humans have until recently tended to do, and which has caused untold amounts of utter bullsh!t down through the centuries which have resulted in people having their freedoms curtailed in all sorts of horrible ways.


  • #128
    [Deleted User]
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    If I was a parent I would be, but maybe that's just me. I'd be proud to be part of raising a generation which doesn't see sexuality as this secret, whispered thing but a normal, natural, everyday part of being a mammal which doesn't have to be "revered" in any way. Obviously I'd be educating them about the risks of getting pregnant, getting STIs or getting emotionally burned, but ultimately I'd be happy that they're not seeing it as this "ultra special, sacred thing" which humans have until recently tended to do, and which has caused untold amounts of utter bullsh!t down through the centuries which have resulted in people having their freedoms curtailed in all sorts of horrible ways.




    All of which has little to do with dressing like the OP describes.


  • #129
    corks finest
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Driving down the road saw a Girl in a group of Girls, probably 14-16 and she was wearing a pair of tights that a girl would normally wear with a skirt or whatever but I could clearly see her two cheeks and she was wearing a thong.

    My other half said I obviously had a good luck but no I was horrified, I couldn't help seeing what I saw FFS, what parent would allow their teenage Daughter out like that ? I don't want to see kids out on the street like that, Jesus !

    Am I being old fashioned or what ?

    Any pics?
    Nice


  • #130
    hatrickpatrick
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    All of which has little to do with dressing like the OP describes.

    How does it not? "Modesty" as a concept to impose on others stems only from the concept that sexuality is something sacred which should be "guarded" or "secret" or whatever. Dressing provocatively is only a problem if you believe that sexuality is something to be spoken of in hushed tones or behind closed doors.


  • #131
    weldoninhio
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Aaaaaannd you're on a watchlist.

    I get what you're saying but also back then people were dying of old age at 45.

    Back then?? Westeros is fictional hahaha


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  • #132
    [Deleted User]
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    How does it not? "Modesty" as a concept to impose on others stems only from the concept that sexuality is something sacred which should be "guarded" or "secret" or whatever. Dressing provocatively is only a problem if you believe that sexuality is something to be spoken of in hushed tones or behind closed doors.




    Not in the real world, though. Dressing provocatively is for being provocative. Do it in public and you'll likely be sneered at by most for being completely out of touch with common sense (unless you are very young, in which case it's the parents that will be laughed at).


    I love a tight pair of leggings on a nice ass. Who doesn't. But I'd find it hard to take anyone seriously in them unless they're in the middle of a run or such.


    I'm very open, sexually. Have no issues with people doing what they want, and if people want to run around in tights, or hell, even go naked and covered in oil, to be provocative, let them at it. I won't stop them. But you're delusional if you don't think they'll be labelled and ridiculed behind their back for years to come.




    If I had a daughter that wanted to dress like that, I'd swiftly step in. As a late teen or adult let her at it, as I'd hope there'd be sense at that stage. But I'd be well aware of how she'd be spoken about by others.


  • #133
    hatrickpatrick
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not in the real world, though. Dressing provocatively is for being provocative. Do it in public and you'll likely be sneered at by most for being completely out of touch with common sense (unless you are very young, in which case it's the parents that will be laughed at).

    I love a tight pair of leggings on a nice ass. Who doesn't. But I'd find it hard to take anyone seriously in them unless they're in the middle of a run or such.

    This is true, but it still sucks. And it's only by people pioneering change that it'll happen. Stuff like the OP's post is evidence that it is happening, albeit slowly.
    I'm very open, sexually. Have no issues with people doing what they want, and if people want to run around in tights, or hell, even go naked and covered in oil, to be provocative, let them at it. I won't stop them. But you're delusional if you don't think they'll be labelled and ridiculed behind their back for years to come.

    I don't doubt that it's a possibility, but if it becomes totally mainstream and normalised then that all goes away. People could have said the same about being gay or an unmarried mother until fairly recently, look where we are now - and it's primarily thanks to trailblazers who didn't give a bollocks about getting judged that we've made it this far.
    If I had a daughter that wanted to dress like that, I'd swiftly step in. As a late teen or adult let her at it, as I'd hope there'd be sense at that stage. But I'd be well aware of how she'd be spoken about by others.

    That's fair enough, I'd merely inform her that society is still fairly intolerant, so if she was choosing to fight against society's bullsh!t expectations and taboos, there could be a social price to pay for it. But I'd be fairly proud of her if she decided to do what she wanted to do regardless.


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