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The Academies

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  • #2162
    Heymans
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    Babygotback wrote: »
    Chris Cosgravey (St Michael’s College)
    Zack Boyle (St Michael’s College)

    Cosgrave is only 5th year


  • #2163
    iminterestd0
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    Babygotback wrote: »
    Chris Cosgravey (St Michael’s College)
    Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College)

    both are in 5th year.

    I don't think there is any obvious players in 6th year who could join the academy straight out of school.. maybe

    Ed Brennan - Blackrock


  • #2164
    DonVito
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    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    both are in 5th year.

    I don't think there is any obvious players in 6th year who could join the academy straight out of school.. maybe

    Ed Brennan - Blackrock

    Maybe Andrew Smith. Leinster could do with some wingers in the Academy next season.


  • #2165
    iminterestd0
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    DonVito wrote: »
    Maybe Andrew Smith. Leinster could do with some wingers in the Academy next season.

    don't see it.. they just had 2 wingers join academy


  • #2166
    DonVito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭DonVito


    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    don't see it.. they just had 2 wingers join academy

    Aaron O'Sullivan and ?


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  • #2167
    iminterestd0
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    DonVito wrote: »
    Aaron O'Sullivan and ?

    Michael Silvester.

    Liam Turner very likely to join academy on wing too.


  • #2168
    DonVito
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    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    Michael Silvester.

    Liam Turner very likely to join academy on wing too.

    I wouldn't really class Silvester as a winger though.

    Yes I suppose with Turner joining it's unlikely they'll bring Smith straight in.


  • #2169
    iminterestd0
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    DonVito wrote: »
    I wouldn't really class Silvester as a winger though.

    Yes I suppose with Turner joining it's unlikely they'll bring Smith straight in.

    he has been playing wing for DUFC and Leinster A.


  • #2170
    DonVito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭DonVito


    Thinking about it, it looks like it could be a very underwhelming intake. Aside from Hawkshaw, there isn't a standout individual I can see coming in.


  • #2171
    iminterestd0
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    DonVito wrote: »
    Thinking about it, it looks like it could be a very underwhelming intake. Aside from Hawkshaw, there isn't a standout individual I can see coming in.

    Will have to wait and see who impresses for 20s and in schools cup.

    with Baird, Milne and Penny joining straight from school it wasn't going to be a big name class with a relatively weak u19 group.

    although u19 group won the interpros.. so maybe players will emerge/surprise.

    someone in the u20 age group like Cormac Foley is underrated as he hasn't been focusing on scrumhalf.. id expect him to be someone to be excited about after this season, if he stays healthy.


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  • #2172
    Heymans
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    DonVito wrote: »
    I wouldn't really class Silvester as a winger though.

    Yes I suppose with Turner joining it's unlikely they'll bring Smith straight in.

    Smith would be a very good addition to the Academy. One of the only real out and out wingers from that age group. Excellent player


  • #2173
    iminterestd0
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    Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

    Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19
    Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
    Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
    Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
    Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)
    Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)
    David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
    Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21


  • #2174
    BigJimV
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    very good props at U18 schools from Wesley and Terenure


  • #2175
    iminterestd0
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    BigJimV wrote: »
    very good props at U18 schools from Wesley and Terenure

    Sam Ilo and Levi Vaughan presumably?


  • #2176
    iminterestd0
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    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

    Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19

    John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19

    Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
    Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
    Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

    Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
    Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
    Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)

    Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

    David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)

    Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21

    added more players.


  • #2177
    Tarf1234
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    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

    Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19

    John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19
    Declan Adamson (Hooker/Clontarf/Fintans)

    Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
    Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
    Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

    Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
    Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
    Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)

    Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

    David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
    Conor Kelly (Outhalf/Clontarf/Roscrea)

    Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21
    Updated/added more - Brian Deeny in Tarf and played at the weekend


  • #2178
    iminterestd0
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    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Updated/added more - Brian Deeny in Tarf and played at the weekend

    Sorry had heard he was in trinity. Thanks.


  • #2179
    iminterestd0
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    Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

    Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19
    Charlie Ward(TH Prop/Clontarf/Tullow) - u19

    Declan Adamson (Hooker/Clontarf/Fintans)
    John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19

    Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
    Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
    Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

    Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
    Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
    Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)
    Mark Fleming(Backrow/UCD/Glenstal)

    Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

    David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
    Conor Kelly (Outhalf/Clontarf/Roscrea)

    David Ryan(Centre/UCD/St. Michaels)
    Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21


  • #2180
    iminterestd0
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    Top 5 non-academy wing prospects in leinster rugby?

    1. Liam Turner
    2. Tom Maher
    3. Andrew Smith
    4. Matt Grogan
    5. Mark O'Brien


  • #2181
    DonVito
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    Surprised we haven't seen or heard anything more of the 'Rock wingers - McMahon and Donnelly. Also, I was expecting a lot from John Maher.


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  • #2182
    iminterestd0
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    DonVito wrote: »
    Surprised we haven't seen or heard anything more of the 'Rock wingers - McMahon and Donnelly. Also, I was expecting a lot from John Maher.

    Maher limited by his size.

    Rock wingers too one dimensional.


  • #2183
    iminterestd0
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    Is centre the weakest area in Leinster underage rugby?


  • #2184
    Heymans
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    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    Is centre the weakest area in Leinster underage rugby?


    What do you make of the O'Briens coming through. Any of them have real potential to be centre for Leinster? Also thought Mullin was a bit on the small side to be considered as a prospect going forward. Then you have Ryan and Turner - Turner very small and Ryan not being athletic enough although he could make into one of those rangy tall centres that have done so well in the late '90's and early 2000's. All in all I'm not convinced we have any potential superstar internationals coming through in that area although I have been known to get it wrong.

    Other areas of weakness or at least limited depth are hooker and flyhalf. I'm not convinced by whats coming through at flyhalf but I suppose you have to give players room to develop and they can become great players with the right management. For me great flyhalves can run and also get involved defensively in turning over ruck ball - Hawkshaw looks the best prospect we have coming through in this regard.


  • #2185
    iminterestd0
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    I don't see either Jimmy or Conor O'Brien as future stars at centre, but could develop into good squad players.

    Tommy O'Brien has star potential but i'm not sure at what position.

    Outside the academy Karl Martin looks the best prospect but he is only under-17.

    Turner's future is on the wing, while Ryan doesn't do any one thing outstandingly despite his size.


  • #2186
    iminterestd0
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    On outhalf, they have plenty of talent coming through, obviously replacing Sexton will be near impossible but they are producing talented 10's

    Ross Byrne(23)
    Ciaran Frawley(20)
    Harry Byrne(19)
    David Hawkshaw(U20)

    Hooker on the otherhand is weak below Kelleher, they've brought in McKee from Ulster so I'm guessing they are hoping he could be the next player into academy, Barron in schools otherwise but he is several years away. But he could be a candidate to join the academy straight from school.


  • #2187
    Heymans
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    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    On outhalf, they have plenty of talent coming through, obviously replacing Sexton will be near impossible but they are producing talented 10's

    Ross Byrne(23)
    Ciaran Frawley(20)
    Harry Byrne(19)
    David Hawkshaw(U20)

    Hooker on the otherhand is weak below Kelleher, they've brought in McKee from Ulster so I'm guessing they are hoping he could be the next player into academy, Barron in schools otherwise but he is several years away. But he could be a candidate to join the academy straight from school.




    Whats Barrons and Kellehers throwing like?


  • #2188
    Ayewserious
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    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

    Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19
    Charlie Ward(TH Prop/Clontarf/Tullow) - u19

    Declan Adamson (Hooker/Clontarf/Fintans)
    John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19

    Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
    Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
    Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

    Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
    Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
    Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)
    Mark Fleming(Backrow/UCD/Glenstal)

    Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

    David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
    Conor Kelly (Outhalf/Clontarf/Roscrea)

    David Ryan(Centre/UCD/St. Michaels)
    Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21
    Is Byron not in the sub academy?


  • #2189
    iminterestd0
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    Ayewserious wrote: »
    Is Byron not in the sub academy?

    He was with development squad, not sure about sub-academy, you'd assume he is.


  • #2190
    iminterestd0
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    It was a weak club age group for the leinster 20's, only 3 players in squad:

    Daragh Bolger(Prop/Clontarf)
    Declan Adamson(Hooker/Clontarf)
    Martin Moloney(Backrow/Athy/Lansdowne)

    The u19's were very strong with club players:

    Marcus Hanan(Prop/Clane)
    Charlie Ward(Prop/Tullow/Clontarf)
    Harry Noonan(Prop/Greystones/Old Wesley)
    Mark Nicholson(Hooker/Wicklow)
    Luke Thompson(Hooker/Wicklow/Lansdowne)
    Brian Deeny(Lock/Wexford/Clontarf)
    Shane Murphy(Scrumhalf/Skerries)
    Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/Wicklow/Old Wesley)
    Mikey McGiff(Centre/Clontarf)
    Luis Faria(Centre/Wanderers/DUFC)
    Matthew Jungmann(Wing/Seapoint)


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  • #2191
    Heymans
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    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    It was a weak club age group for the leinster 20's, only 3 players in squad:

    Daragh Bolger(Prop/Clontarf)
    Declan Adamson(Hooker/Clontarf)
    Martin Moloney(Backrow/Athy/Lansdowne)

    The u19's were very strong with club players:

    Marcus Hanan(Prop/Clane)
    Charlie Ward(Prop/Tullow/Clontarf)
    Harry Noonan(Prop/Greystones/Old Wesley)
    Mark Nicholson(Hooker/Wicklow)
    Luke Thompson(Hooker/Wicklow/Lansdowne)
    Brian Deeny(Lock/Wexford/Clontarf)
    Shane Murphy(Scrumhalf/Skerries)
    Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/Wicklow/Old Wesley)
    Mikey McGiff(Centre/Clontarf)
    Luis Faria(Centre/Wanderers/DUFC)
    Matthew Jungmann(Wing/Seapoint)


    You get the feeling that there is a buffer put in place for Club players. They don't play to the same level as schools players for the first 14 years of their rugby playing life and therefore are not tried and tested under pressure. I can't help but feel they are molly coddled to "spread" the game further. Kind of like socialism. They are allowed to develop better than schools players who lose conditioning due to overplay.


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