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The Academies

List of every player currently in one of the four Irish academies.

Loosehead Ed Byrne
Loosehead Jack O'Connell
Loosehead Kyle McCall
Loosehead Finlay Bealham
Loosehead James Cronin
Loosehead/Hooker James Treacy
Hooker Niall Scannell
Hooker Brian Byrne
Hooker David Doyle
Hooker Jonny Murphy
Hooker Kevin O'Byrne
Hooker Duncan Casey
Hooker James Rael
Tighthead Martin Moore
Tighthead Tadhg Furlong
Tighthead Conor Carey
Tighthead Jake Caulfield
Tighthead Jamie Dever
Tighthead Peter Reilly
Lock Cathal O'Flaherty
Lock Tadhg Beirne
Lock Gavin Thornbury
Lock Alan O'Connor
Lock James Simpson
Lock Daniel Qualter
Lock Ultan Dilane
Lock Philip Donnellan
Lock Brian Hayes
Flanker/Lock Ben Marshall
Flanker Dan Leavy
Flanker Conor Gilsenan
Flanker Josh Van Der Flier
Flanker Jordi Murphy
Flanker Conor Joyce
Flanker Neil Faloon
Flanker Aaron Conneely
Flanker David Heffernan
Flanker Jonathan Gardiner
Flanker Shane Buckley
Flanker Ryan Murphy
Eight Jack Conan
Eight Sean O'Connell
Eight Jack O'Donoghue
Scrum Half Luke McGrath
Scrum Half Marcus Walsh
Scrum Half Kieran Marmion(may have signed a non academy contract recently)
Scrum Half Brian Haugh
Outhalf Cathal Marsh
Outhalf Noel Reid
Outhalf Stuart Olding
Outhalf Jack Carty
Outhalf Tadgh Leader
Outhalf Johnny Holland
Centre Cian Bohane
Centre Jordan Coughlan
Centre Colm O'Shea
Centre Chris Farrell
Centre Corey Hircock
Centre Harry McNulty
Centre/Fullback Robbie Henshaw(may have signed a non academy contract recently)
Wing Andrew Boyle
Wing Sam Coughlan Murray
Wing Conor Finn
Wing Steve Macauley
Wing Ronan O'Mahony
Wing/Fullback Darren Hudson
Wing/Fullback Darren Moroney
Fullback Mikey Sherlock*(not sure about his status)
Fullback Rory Scholes
Fullback Peter Nelson
Fullback Ricky Andrew
Fullback Shane Layden
Fullback Darragh Leader
Fullback Darren Sweetnam

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Babygotback wrote: »

Chris Cosgravey (St Michael’s College)
Zack Boyle (St Michael’s College)

Cosgrave is only 5th year

Babygotback wrote: »

Chris Cosgravey (St Michael’s College)
Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College)

both are in 5th year.

I don't think there is any obvious players in 6th year who could join the academy straight out of school.. maybe

Ed Brennan - Blackrock

iminterestd0 wrote: »

both are in 5th year.

I don't think there is any obvious players in 6th year who could join the academy straight out of school.. maybe

Ed Brennan - Blackrock

Maybe Andrew Smith. Leinster could do with some wingers in the Academy next season.

DonVito wrote: »

Maybe Andrew Smith. Leinster could do with some wingers in the Academy next season.

don't see it.. they just had 2 wingers join academy

iminterestd0 wrote: »

don't see it.. they just had 2 wingers join academy

Aaron O'Sullivan and ?

DonVito wrote: »

Aaron O'Sullivan and ?

Michael Silvester.

Liam Turner very likely to join academy on wing too.

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Michael Silvester.

Liam Turner very likely to join academy on wing too.

I wouldn't really class Silvester as a winger though.

Yes I suppose with Turner joining it's unlikely they'll bring Smith straight in.

DonVito wrote: »

I wouldn't really class Silvester as a winger though.

Yes I suppose with Turner joining it's unlikely they'll bring Smith straight in.

he has been playing wing for DUFC and Leinster A.

Thinking about it, it looks like it could be a very underwhelming intake. Aside from Hawkshaw, there isn't a standout individual I can see coming in.

DonVito wrote: »

Thinking about it, it looks like it could be a very underwhelming intake. Aside from Hawkshaw, there isn't a standout individual I can see coming in.

Will have to wait and see who impresses for 20s and in schools cup.

with Baird, Milne and Penny joining straight from school it wasn't going to be a big name class with a relatively weak u19 group.

although u19 group won the interpros.. so maybe players will emerge/surprise.

someone in the u20 age group like Cormac Foley is underrated as he hasn't been focusing on scrumhalf.. id expect him to be someone to be excited about after this season, if he stays healthy.

DonVito wrote: »

I wouldn't really class Silvester as a winger though.

Yes I suppose with Turner joining it's unlikely they'll bring Smith straight in.

Smith would be a very good addition to the Academy. One of the only real out and out wingers from that age group. Excellent player

Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19
Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)
Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)
David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21

very good props at U18 schools from Wesley and Terenure

BigJimV wrote: »

very good props at U18 schools from Wesley and Terenure

Sam Ilo and Levi Vaughan presumably?

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19

John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19

Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)

Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)

Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21

added more players.

iminterestd0 wrote: »

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19

John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19
Declan Adamson (Hooker/Clontarf/Fintans)

Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)

Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
Conor Kelly (Outhalf/Clontarf/Roscrea)

Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21

Updated/added more - Brian Deeny in Tarf and played at the weekend

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Updated/added more - Brian Deeny in Tarf and played at the weekend

Sorry had heard he was in trinity. Thanks.

Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19
Charlie Ward(TH Prop/Clontarf/Tullow) - u19

Declan Adamson (Hooker/Clontarf/Fintans)
John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19

Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)
Mark Fleming(Backrow/UCD/Glenstal)

Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
Conor Kelly (Outhalf/Clontarf/Roscrea)

David Ryan(Centre/UCD/St. Michaels)
Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21

Top 5 non-academy wing prospects in leinster rugby?

1. Liam Turner
2. Tom Maher
3. Andrew Smith
4. Matt Grogan
5. Mark O'Brien

Surprised we haven't seen or heard anything more of the 'Rock wingers - McMahon and Donnelly. Also, I was expecting a lot from John Maher.

DonVito wrote: »

Surprised we haven't seen or heard anything more of the 'Rock wingers - McMahon and Donnelly. Also, I was expecting a lot from John Maher.

Maher limited by his size.

Rock wingers too one dimensional.

Is centre the weakest area in Leinster underage rugby?

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Is centre the weakest area in Leinster underage rugby?

What do you make of the O'Briens coming through. Any of them have real potential to be centre for Leinster? Also thought Mullin was a bit on the small side to be considered as a prospect going forward. Then you have Ryan and Turner - Turner very small and Ryan not being athletic enough although he could make into one of those rangy tall centres that have done so well in the late '90's and early 2000's. All in all I'm not convinced we have any potential superstar internationals coming through in that area although I have been known to get it wrong.

Other areas of weakness or at least limited depth are hooker and flyhalf. I'm not convinced by whats coming through at flyhalf but I suppose you have to give players room to develop and they can become great players with the right management. For me great flyhalves can run and also get involved defensively in turning over ruck ball - Hawkshaw looks the best prospect we have coming through in this regard.

I don't see either Jimmy or Conor O'Brien as future stars at centre, but could develop into good squad players.

Tommy O'Brien has star potential but i'm not sure at what position.

Outside the academy Karl Martin looks the best prospect but he is only under-17.

Turner's future is on the wing, while Ryan doesn't do any one thing outstandingly despite his size.

On outhalf, they have plenty of talent coming through, obviously replacing Sexton will be near impossible but they are producing talented 10's

Ross Byrne(23)
Ciaran Frawley(20)
Harry Byrne(19)
David Hawkshaw(U20)

Hooker on the otherhand is weak below Kelleher, they've brought in McKee from Ulster so I'm guessing they are hoping he could be the next player into academy, Barron in schools otherwise but he is several years away. But he could be a candidate to join the academy straight from school.

iminterestd0 wrote: »

On outhalf, they have plenty of talent coming through, obviously replacing Sexton will be near impossible but they are producing talented 10's

Ross Byrne(23)
Ciaran Frawley(20)
Harry Byrne(19)
David Hawkshaw(U20)

Hooker on the otherhand is weak below Kelleher, they've brought in McKee from Ulster so I'm guessing they are hoping he could be the next player into academy, Barron in schools otherwise but he is several years away. But he could be a candidate to join the academy straight from school.

Whats Barrons and Kellehers throwing like?

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Some Leinster Sub Academy players:

Giuseppe Coyne(LH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
Thomas Clarkson(TH Prop/DUFC/Blackrock) - u19
Charlie Ward(TH Prop/Clontarf/Tullow) - u19

Declan Adamson (Hooker/Clontarf/Fintans)
John McKee((Hooker/OB/Campbell) - u19

Charles Ryan(Lock/UCD/Blackrock)
Cian Prendergast(Lock/UCD/Newbridge) - u19
Brian Deeny(Lock/Clontarf/Wexford) - u19

Ronan Foley(Backrow/UCD/St. Marys) - u21
Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Lansdowne/Athy RFC)
Mark Fleming(Backrow/UCD/Glenstal)

Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/UCD/St. Gerards)

David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf/Belvedere)
Conor Kelly (Outhalf/Clontarf/Roscrea)

David Ryan(Centre/UCD/St. Michaels)
Liam Turner(Centre-Wing/DUFC/Blackrock)
Peter Maher(Wing/Old Belvedere/Belvedere) - u21

Is Byron not in the sub academy?

Ayewserious wrote: »

Is Byron not in the sub academy?

He was with development squad, not sure about sub-academy, you'd assume he is.

It was a weak club age group for the leinster 20's, only 3 players in squad:

Daragh Bolger(Prop/Clontarf)
Declan Adamson(Hooker/Clontarf)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Athy/Lansdowne)

The u19's were very strong with club players:

Marcus Hanan(Prop/Clane)
Charlie Ward(Prop/Tullow/Clontarf)
Harry Noonan(Prop/Greystones/Old Wesley)
Mark Nicholson(Hooker/Wicklow)
Luke Thompson(Hooker/Wicklow/Lansdowne)
Brian Deeny(Lock/Wexford/Clontarf)
Shane Murphy(Scrumhalf/Skerries)
Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/Wicklow/Old Wesley)
Mikey McGiff(Centre/Clontarf)
Luis Faria(Centre/Wanderers/DUFC)
Matthew Jungmann(Wing/Seapoint)

iminterestd0 wrote: »

It was a weak club age group for the leinster 20's, only 3 players in squad:

Daragh Bolger(Prop/Clontarf)
Declan Adamson(Hooker/Clontarf)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Athy/Lansdowne)

The u19's were very strong with club players:

Marcus Hanan(Prop/Clane)
Charlie Ward(Prop/Tullow/Clontarf)
Harry Noonan(Prop/Greystones/Old Wesley)
Mark Nicholson(Hooker/Wicklow)
Luke Thompson(Hooker/Wicklow/Lansdowne)
Brian Deeny(Lock/Wexford/Clontarf)
Shane Murphy(Scrumhalf/Skerries)
Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/Wicklow/Old Wesley)
Mikey McGiff(Centre/Clontarf)
Luis Faria(Centre/Wanderers/DUFC)
Matthew Jungmann(Wing/Seapoint)

You get the feeling that there is a buffer put in place for Club players. They don't play to the same level as schools players for the first 14 years of their rugby playing life and therefore are not tried and tested under pressure. I can't help but feel they are molly coddled to "spread" the game further. Kind of like socialism. They are allowed to develop better than schools players who lose conditioning due to overplay.