Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

eviltwin · 21-09-2018 11:16AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Doesn't the income limit apply to social welfare benefits though?

I'm not sure but I have a feeling children's allowance, which would be considerable with 7 children, doesn't count for the means test so her assessed income would be low.

I'm open to correction on that.

Sweet.Science · 21-09-2018 11:16AM

I would guess the first 2 kids were used for income

The last 5 for a house

21-09-2018 11:22AM

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm not sure but I have a feeling children's allowance, which would be considerable with 7 children, doesn't count for the means test so her assessed income would be low.

I'm open to correction on that.

I suspect you're right about the children's allowance yep.

But the dependant rate for unemployment assistance is about 30 quid per week per child, which combined with the single adult rate for unemployment, comes to a total of about 420 euro per week, which is almost at the OPFP limit of 425 euro. Assuming that the latter payment is graduated based on means, that means it wouldn't even be worth Ms Cash's time applying for the OPFP, she'd probably get less than a fiver for it.

The one parent famiky payment is mostly there for single parents who are working part time, or whom are in receipt of benefits for only one child.

Edit: it feels slightly wrong for a group of (mostly) guys to be dissecting a single mum's income from social welfare, clearly I'm as guilty of it as anybody else. Maybe that's not so wise. It's a bit reminiscent of the vitriol that was targeted towards Pamela Izevbekhai.

Wile E. Coyote · 21-09-2018 11:46AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Edit: it feels slightly wrong for a group of (mostly) guys to be dissecting a single mum's income from social welfare, clearly I'm as guilty of it as anybody else. Maybe that's not so wise. It's a bit reminiscent of the vitriol that was targeted towards Pamela Izevbekhai.

When we're the ones spending hours commuting and working long hours away from our own families just to fund her 'income' I think we're entitled to disect it any way we want.

eviltwin · 21-09-2018 11:48AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I suspect you're right about the children's allowance yep.

But the dependant rate for unemployment assistance is about 30 quid per week per child, which combined with the single adult rate for unemployment, comes to a total of about 420 euro per week, which is almost at the OPFP limit of 425 euro. Assuming that the latter payment is graduated based on means, that means it wouldn't even be worth Ms Cash's time applying for the OPFP, she'd probably get less than a fiver for it.

The one parent famiky payment is mostly there for single parents who are working part time, or whom are in receipt of benefits for only one child.

Edit: it feels slightly wrong for a group of (mostly) guys to be dissecting a single mum's income from social welfare, clearly I'm as guilty of it as anybody else. Maybe that's not so wise. It's a bit reminiscent of the vitriol that was targeted towards Pamela Izevbekhai.

When someone who doesn't work is taking in more than the average industrial wage I think we are entitled to dissect that however we want.

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 12:01PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

And people defend these. FFS.

I guess we all need a scapegoat for our feelings of inequality/injustice and anger. Some focus on single women with loads of kids for their ire, some focus on cronyism and corruption.

Thatnastyboy · 21-09-2018 12:06PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

I guess we all need a scapegoat for our feelings of inequality/injustice and anger. Some focus on single women with loads of kids for their ire, some focus on cronyism and corruption.

Yet those same folk incessantly push for a socialist/communist way of doing things, which, by nature is far more open to cronyism and corruption than the heavily flawed capitalist/neo liberalist way of doing things that we live with today.

It's great gas altogether when you think of it.

Someone's always going to get screwed over, I personally would prefer that it's those who contribute nothing that get shat on. instead of those who work hard, pay their taxes and their dues, and still haven't a pot to piss in.

Wile E. Coyote · 21-09-2018 12:08PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

I guess we all need a scapegoat for our feelings of inequality/injustice and anger. Some focus on single women with loads of kids for their ire, some focus on cronyism and corruption.

You can be against corruption in the system at the same time as being against people, whether they're single, married, kids or no kids, milking and abusing the same system!

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 12:15PM

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

Yet those same folk incessantly push for a socialist/communist way of doing things, which, by nature is far more open to cronyism and corruption than the heavily flawed capitalist/neo liberalist way of doing things that we live with today.

It's great gas altogether when you think of it.

Someone's always going to get screwed over, I personally would prefer that it's those who contribute nothing that get shat on. instead of those who work hard, pay their taxes and their dues, and still haven't a pot to piss in.

Bit extreme now isn't it, that s like saying everyone who supports Trump or Brexit is a racist.

Skelet0n · 21-09-2018 12:18PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

Bit extreme now isn't it, that s like saying everyone who supports Trump or Brexit is a racist.

Or a moron.

Thatnastyboy · 21-09-2018 12:19PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

Bit extreme now isn't it, that s like saying everyone who supports Trump or Brexit is a racist.

S'pose it is yeah, in same way that I would consider it extreme to be defending the indefensible, but here we are.

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 12:20PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

You can be against corruption in the system at the same time as being against people, whether they're single, married, kids or no kids, milking and abusing the same system!

That s true but i guess I find it easier to empathise with someone dragging 7 kids across the capital than someone worrying about which accountant can sort out the best tax write off.

Deebles McBeebles · 21-09-2018 12:23PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

I guess we all need a scapegoat for our feelings of inequality/injustice and anger. Some focus on single women with loads of kids for their ire, some focus on cronyism and corruption.

I like to spread my hatred to scumbags of all levels, I'm nice like that.

Skelet0n · 21-09-2018 12:24PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

That s true but i guess I find it easier to empathise with someone dragging 7 kids across the capital than someone worrying about which accountant can sort out the best tax write off.

So you think everyone here is a 1%er?

I don’t have an accountant, wish I could get a write off though.

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 12:29PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I like to spread my hatred to scumbags of all levels, I'm nice like that.

Sorry for your troubles

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 12:30PM

Skelet0n wrote: »

So you think everyone here is a 1%er?

I don’t have an accountant, wish I could get a write off though.

No

Wile E. Coyote · 21-09-2018 12:30PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

That s true but i guess I find it easier to empathise with someone dragging 7 kids across the capital than someone worrying about which accountant can sort out the best tax write off.

Haven't seen anyone here empathise with someone worrying about which accountant to use.

I have seen people empathise with those 7 children because it's not a situation of their making. I've seen people empathise with struggling families. What you won't see is many people empathising with someone who abuses the system that the rest of us pay into. You won't see many people empathise with someone with a cash income in excess of €33k a year who screams poverty. And you won't see many people empathise with someone who critisises the system that funds her lifestyle while demanding more and contributing absolutely nothing!

Deebles McBeebles · 21-09-2018 12:40PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

Sorry for your troubles

Bit testy this afternoon are we? Must be tiring trying to defend the lowlights of our society.

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 12:47PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Bit testy this afternoon are we? Must be tiring trying to defend the lowlights of our society.

2 dogs were standing outside a hall of mirrors waiting for admission, an angry dog and a not angry dog. The angry dog went in first and after a few minutes came out and warned the not angry dog to not go near the place ,' it's full of angry ****ers.' he warned. The not angry dog although apprehensive decided he'd chance it anyway. When he entered he couldn't find all the angry ****ers and n fact really enjoyed himself in there.

Thatnastyboy · 21-09-2018 12:52PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

2 dogs were standing outside a hall of mirrors waiting for admission, an angry dog and a not angry dog. The angry dog went in first and after a few minutes came out and warned the not angry dog to not go near the place ,' it's full of angry ****ers.' he warned. The not angry dog although apprehensive decided he'd chance it anyway. When he entered he couldn't find all the angry ****ers and n fact really enjoyed himself in there.

A 3rd dog showed up and decided it wanted the hall of mirrors to itself forever, for free, so it brought up a microphone and speaker, started shouting into it and then garnered the support of a local rent-a-mob.

The 3rd dog and it's mob multiplied in size over the next while until the hall of mirrors wasn't big enough to hold it anymore, so the mob demanded a larger hall of mirrors.

And so on

PlaneSpeeking · 21-09-2018 01:01PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

2 dogs were standing outside a hall of mirrors waiting for admission, an angry dog and a not angry dog. The angry dog went in first and after a few minutes came out and warned the not angry dog to not go near the place ,' it's full of angry ****ers.' he warned. The not angry dog although apprehensive decided he'd chance it anyway. When he entered he couldn't find all the angry ****ers and n fact really enjoyed himself in there.

Just say "No", kids.

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 01:04PM

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

A 3rd dog showed up and decided it wanted the hall of mirrors to itself forever, for free, so it brought up a microphone and speaker, started shouting into it and then garnered the support of a local rent-a-mob.

The 3rd dog and it's mob multiplied in size over the next while until the hall of mirrors wasn't big enough to hold it anymore, so the mob demanded a larger hall of mirrors.

And so on

with a large litter of puppies

Loves_lorries · 21-09-2018 01:11PM

Kivaro wrote: »

With OUR money.
The VAT that is pays when she is buying her fags, alcohol etc. is money that the tax payer provided to her.

eviltwin wrote: »

Time to drag travellers into the 21st century and make them accountable for their own lives. It's a scandal that generations of travellers are allowed slip through the cracks and repeat the mistakes of their parents. If I don't send my child to school I have to answer for that, if my child fails to reach educational milestones, ditto. Why are travellers exempt from the attendance requirements? Why aren't social workers on the case when traveller children reach secondary age barely able to read or write?

Of course to question that is deemed interfering, patronising or racist and all it does is doom another generation to follow their parents example.

PC leftists are the key contributors to the destructive cycle travellers live through, they have made them a sacred cow who you cannot criticise.

They have legitimised dysfunctionality on a mass scale under the guise of cultural uniqueness.

jay0109 · 21-09-2018 01:20PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Edit: it feels slightly wrong for a group of (mostly) guys to be dissecting a single mum's income from social welfare, clearly I'm as guilty of it as anybody else. Maybe that's not so wise. It's a bit reminiscent of the vitriol that was targeted towards Pamela Izevbekhai.

The fraudster who was eventually deported after costing the people of this country millions, Who lied about everything including dead children.

I know it was an embarrassing defeat for those on the Left but the scrutiny that case attracted turned out to be warranted, no?

21-09-2018 01:25PM

eviltwin wrote: »

When someone who doesn't work is taking in more than the average industrial wage I think we are entitled to dissect that however we want.

If Margaret Cash derives her household income from social welfare, then she earns many thousands of euro less than the average industrial wage.

Loves_lorries wrote: »

PC leftists are the key contributors to the destructive cycle travellers live through, they have made them a sacred cow who you cannot criticise.

Everybody on this thread who has been suggesting that the attacks on Margaret Cash and her children are vitriolic, has expressed dismay or alarm about the social problems within the travelling community, including crime stats.

Nobody in their right mind could possibly be blind to those problems, nor ignore the personal responsibility that individual travellers have in addressing them.

The issue here is that some of us do not feel comfortable with some random single mum being harrassed online, and with guys on some internet forum discussing her sex life and even deriding her children.

Don't kid yourself that this is acceptable behaviour. Margaret Cash has said many things that deserve criticism or agreement, depending on one's political outlook. But the derogatory comments about her body, and her children? Come off of it.

People who engage in this kind of disgusting rhetoric are only shooting their argument in the foot, anyway.

stratowide · 21-09-2018 01:32PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If Margaret Cash derives her household income from social welfare, then she earns many thousands of euro less than the average industrial wage.

Earns would imply that she works for it.She doesn't and never has nor ever will.

She gets it for free having never contributed one cent to this country.

Padraig Mor · 21-09-2018 01:34PM

Loves_lorries wrote: »

PC leftists are the key contributors to the destructive cycle travellers live through, they have made them a sacred cow who you cannot criticise.

They have legitimised dysfunctionality on a mass scale under the guise of cultural uniqueness.

This is a key point I feel. I've given my opinion of Ms Cash et al previously - suffice it to say I'm not a fan of her, or other lowlifes. At the end of the day, however, she's not actually - IIRC - doing anything wrong per se. Can anyone blame her for pulling stunts to get a free house and plenty'o'cash to fund her lifestyle? She is a symptom, not the problem - the problem is the system in this country which rewards scummers and layabouts with an easy life from cradle to grave - at someone else's expense. Much of the problem is due to, as above, 'PC leftists' who have constructed a narrative that these people are 'vulnerable' when in fact, the genuine 'working class' are much more vulnerable. Just look at Fine Gael - they are regarded (hilariously) by the left as some sort of rabid right wing fascist party, one step below the Nazis. Yet, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of their voters really really dislike Travellers, they pushed through recognition of this burdensome group as an 'ethnic group', a designation which will in time cost taxpayers an enormous amount of money....

Wile E. Coyote · 21-09-2018 01:35PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If Margaret Cash derives her household income from social welfare, then she earns many thousands of euro less than the average industrial wage.

The average Industrial wage for a full time adult worker in this country is stated at around €45,000. After tax, PRSI, USC the take home pay is just shy of €34k. From this you need transport to and from work if you're not lucky enough to live close by. If you're in Dublin an annual bus/luas ticket is about €1,500. If you have to drive and park then obviously that figure increases.

Margaret Cash lies on her back or sits on her a*s all year. Standard dole plus allowance for 7 kids is €21,871 a year. Childrens allowance for 7 kids is €11,760 a year. Thats just shy of €34k a year. And I'm not even going to go into rent and any other allowances you can be guaranteed she's claiming for.

Edgware · 21-09-2018 01:35PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Haven't seen anyone here empathise with someone worrying about which accountant to use.

I have seen people empathise with those 7 children because it's not a situation of their making. I've seen people empathise with struggling families. What you won't see is many people empathising with someone who abuses the system that the rest of us pay into. You won't see many people empathise with someone with a cash income in excess of €33k a year who screams poverty. And you won't see many people empathise with someone who critisises the system that funds her lifestyle while demanding more and contributing absolutely nothing!

The tax payer contributed by building very nice bungalows at a halting site near Nurgrove shopping centre in Dublin 14. One of them would be ideal for Ms Cash. Except that the travellers wrecked two of them and cleared what lead and copper was in it.
You dont hear O Broin and co talking about that of course.

21-09-2018 01:39PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

The average Industrial wage for a full time adult worker in this country is stated at around €45,000. After tax, PRSI, USC the take home pay is just shy of €34k. From this you need transport to and from work if you're not lucky enough to live close by. If you're in Dublin an annual bus/luas ticket is about €1,500. If you have to drive and park then obviously that figure increases.

Margaret Cash lies on her back or sits on her a*s all year. Standard dole plus allowance for 7 kids is €21,871 a year. Childrens allowance for 7 kids is €11,760 a year. Thats just shy of €34k a year. And I'm not even going to go into rent and any other allowances you can be guaranteed she's claiming for.

Hang on, shouldn't you be comparing like with like?

I'm in full time employment, and my partner and I are in receipt of child benefit. You're comparing someone on benefits who receives child benefit, with someone who has no children. That's obviously problematic, it's not a like comparison.

The math here is very simple. You will almost always be better off working than living on benefits.

Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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