Sherlock - A game of Werewolf!

Gabriel WW · 19-09-2018 03:06PM

Liam WW wrote:

I think you underestimate me my friend. Explain how this is naiive?

Wini, for all intents and purposes, if telling the truth, is the ONLY person who can find our NRV peeking wolf. She is a massive risk to the wolves. Without her amazing magical ability, if we get down to nrv wolf and anyone else we will be screwed.

If she survives the munch it will be because the wolves can't munch her.....BECAUSE SHE IS A WOLF.

Derry WW · 19-09-2018 03:06PM

Liam WW wrote: »

Ok so what is the alternative here? Wini is a wolf who has a secret hidden power that we weren't informed of? (possible I guess) Or Wini, Orla, Eva and this other anon person are the wolf team and are all coming out en masse to claim a big role? It's very ballsy if so.

I outlined my worries earlier.

Riona WW wrote: »

Relax Eva . I’m the other person who received the note.

How did I know it would be :rolleyes:

Sigh. Riona outing themselves as number 4 worries me massively. I could see that one coming a bloody mile off.

But I can't say the entire wolf team would out themselves, right? Unless its an utterly suicidal play (cause if even one comes back bad, they all are, right?).

Wini, why were you so, so sure Desmond was bad? Like, you were utterly convinced.....

Abigail WW · 19-09-2018 03:06PM

I fear that Eva my be right about this becoming Brendan/Gabby vs The Fantastic Four looking at how the thread is going. She might not be right about other things, like I think she believes if Wini does not die that clears her while for me it just reminds us that the 12hr thing is unverifyable.

Gabriel WW · 19-09-2018 03:08PM

Abigail WW wrote:

I fear that Eva my be right about this becoming Brendan/Gabby vs The Fantastic Four looking at how the thread is going. She might not be right about other things, like I think she believes if Wini does not die that clears her while for me it just reminds us that the 12hr thing is unverifyable.

I've no problem per se with Orla Eva and riona when it comes to winis claim. I'm waiting for ANYONE to tell me how anything but the message part of winis story can be verified?

Orla WW · 19-09-2018 03:13PM

Winifred WW wrote: »

Scrambling to get time to post, but can we get some FFAs in tonite please?

#FFA3

Derry - Scrambling wolf afraid of village core

Gabriel - Scrambling wolf afraid of village core

Liam - being pally wally with me after days of inactivity.

I'll be back later folks, can confirm Riona is the 4th person (and confirmed village in my eyes). Codeword I used was bagel for her.

:cool: I really wish you'd give reasons for your reads, not just carte blanche anyone who questions you.

It's ok to be skeptical and not be a wolf. Like a few of us were with Brendan earlier, and he didn't FFA everyone questioning him.

Like Derry is almost never a wolf in any scenario I try and make out in my head. I just can't see it, and maybe I'm pocketed but I can't buy him being one.

If he's a wolf he deserves to win.

So... is it because they questioned you?

Or, are there other reasons? Something, anything would help me right now.

Liam WW · 19-09-2018 03:13PM

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Wini, for all intents and purposes, if telling the truth, is the ONLY person who can find our NRV peeking wolf. She is a massive risk to the wolves. Without her amazing magical ability, if we get down to nrv wolf and anyone else we will be screwed.

If she survives the munch it will be because the wolves can't munch her.....BECAUSE SHE IS A WOLF.

Or because the BG saves her? Coz Bren can't protect himself.

Liam WW · 19-09-2018 03:15PM

Gabriel WW wrote: »

I've no problem per se with Orla Eva and riona when it comes to winis claim. I'm waiting for ANYONE to tell me how anything but the message part of winis story can be verified?

It can't be verified. But there's also a chance that she's telling the truth. So why not take advantage of her while she's alive and then lynch her if she continues to evade the wolf munch?

Riona WW · 19-09-2018 03:15PM

Derry WW wrote: »

I outlined my worries earlier.

How did I know it would be :rolleyes:

Sigh. Riona outing themselves as number 4 worries me massively. I could see that one coming a bloody mile off.

But I can't say the entire wolf team would out themselves, right? Unless its an utterly suicidal play (cause if even one comes back bad, they all are, right?).

Wini, why were you so, so sure Desmond was bad? Like, you were utterly convinced.....

Yeh keep airing your suspicions with no real meat to them and now no confirmed villager to back you up...

Wini can pass notes. Whether good or bad 3 of us have confirmed receiving them.

So it’s prob fair to assume Winnie’s power is handing out notes daily. She has confirmed she passed three notes. Three people have confirmed revieving them.

So if Winnie is bad and some of us are on her team it’s either a case that she can give a note to one of her wolves or she can choose some day to not give a note. Why would she not use her power to pocket more villagers? Why put wolves in harm when she can send notes on her own and have a completely separate strategy to her wolf team. In short build up her own village?!

I know I got a note. I know I am good and I think on the balance of the role it makes more sense that all three with notes are actually villagers... But it’s not confirmed and I will listen to people with reasonable theories on whatever else it could be...

Gabriel WW · 19-09-2018 03:18PM

Liam WW wrote:

Or because the BG saves her? Coz Bren can't protect himself.

Actually you are right Bren is probably next up for munch. Then wini gets poisoned, right? That would be the logical wolf play?

Liam WW wrote:

It can't be verified. But there's also a chance that she's telling the truth. So why not take advantage of her while she's alive and then lynch her if she continues to evade the wolf munch?

How do you propose to take advantage of her?

Orla WW · 19-09-2018 03:20PM

Gabriel WW wrote: »

How do you propose to take advantage of her?

Sorry, can't help myself...

Gabriel WW · 19-09-2018 03:22PM

Lol Liam's words, not mine

Brendan WW · 19-09-2018 03:22PM

Liam WW wrote: »

Or because the BG saves her? Coz Bren can't protect himself.

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Actually you are right Bren is probably next up for munch. Then wini gets poisoned, right? That would be the logical wolf play?

How do you propose to take advantage of her?

Don't forget with have another form of protection in the role of the jailer.

Gabriel WW · 19-09-2018 03:22PM

Brendan WW wrote:

Don't forget with have another form of protection in the role of the jailer.

Thank you Brendan! It will be the circle jerk of protection.

Gabriel WW · 19-09-2018 03:23PM

Here is an interesting question; has any of the info that has been volunteered been something we can cross check via priest? Is it not a little strange wini avoided any of the people who died?

Liam WW · 19-09-2018 03:25PM

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Actually you are right Bren is probably next up for munch. Then wini gets poisoned, right? That would be the logical wolf play?

How do you propose to take advantage of her?

I wouldn't know what the next logical play is for a wolf coz
a) I'm not one and
b) when I am a wolf I'm ****.

And by take advantage of her (you sick ****) I mean let her give out another note tomorrow and see what happens. What if she gives a note to you? Will she die 12 hours later? Coz I think she will.

Orla WW · 19-09-2018 03:25PM

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Here is an interesting question; has any of the info that has been volunteered been something we can cross check via priest? Is it not a little strange wini avoided any of the people who died?

Hmmmm... I do find that odd myself tbh.

I'm not sure how we would unless Winnie died tbh.

Derry WW · 19-09-2018 03:25PM

Riona WW wrote: »

Yeh keep airing your suspicions with no real meat to them and now no confirmed villager to back you up...

Wini can pass notes. Whether good or bad 3 of us have confirmed receiving them.

Yeap. Can't really deny that any more, can I? There's a four strong group now. Nicely set up.

I think there's more to it than what's happening though.

Eva WW · 19-09-2018 03:26PM

Gabriel WW wrote: »

All three don't have to be wolves. In fact it would make sense to mix a wolf in with some villagers. How confident are you about your other fellow messaged?

Well you know what I thought about Orla I presume, TLDR - full wolf, get her out of here. Riona has been off my radar so far, probably because I've spent so much time on Orla.

You didn't ask but on Wini - I previously said (before her reveal or PM) that I didn't trust that she changed so suddenly on her lynch on Monday night. However, her role can totally explain that now if it's true. Like I said before Orla or Wini confirmed it and the PM gave me new light - Wini's change from Orla was cause she got confirmation of Orla villager 12 hours after sending a PM to Orla.

I'm not saying I'm fully reading Wini as village, but I am surprised at some of the outright hostile reaction to her.

Confirmed part of your story. PART OF IT.

Yes Gabriel, PART OF IT, but enough to be treated better than the leper she is being treated right now by some. Tbh, you are coming on uncharacteristically heavy here with this claim of Wini's. We need to be skeptical, we need to challenge it of course, but some of the language/tone being used like "fobbing off" and your response above is both provocative and outright dismissive. Like 'this is BS no matter what I hear', and I really think you should have a more open mind. Believing Brendan/Clodagh does not mean you have to automatically choose one or the other, we could have a serious village core building here.

Again in this quote, more provocative stuff. Wini said she was leaving the thread, and you throw in that loaded few lines against her after she said so. Whether she came back or not isn't the point, your tactic in the first place was not a great look.

Gabriel wrote:

Not quite so unavailable it seems.

Also, being not just skeptical, but so dismissive and a bit provocative when someone suggests leeway for Wini, or that there might be an upside for the village...

Gabriel WW wrote: »

You cannot be this naiive.

Gabriel, if you are village which I have been leaning, please have a more open mind. Why are people forcing this into a Wini vs Clodagh/Brendan thing? I'm honestly asking, I could be missing something very obvious.

Gabriel WW · 19-09-2018 03:26PM

Liam WW wrote:

And by take advantage of her (you sick ****) I mean let her give out another note tomorrow and see what happens. What if she gives a note to you? Will she die 12 hours later? Coz I think she will.

I'd welcome a note but even if I got one all it would prove is that wini can send notes.

Liam WW · 19-09-2018 03:26PM

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Thank you Brendan! It will be the circle jerk of protection.

Please continue down your Drumpot tunnel there. The more you argue and throw mud, the more wolfy you sound to me.

Gertrude WW · 19-09-2018 03:27PM

Riona WW wrote: »

How quickly I accepted what? I’ve known about Winnie since yesterday morning..

I received a note from Winnie. I spotted her codeword this morning for Eva. I know she was going in hard for Dessie who I also felt was wolfy (I had a very public spat with him).

I’ve been pondering the Winnie thing for over a day, so it’s not like I’m just finding out and accepting what she has said this morning.

I don’t know if she is good or bad but on the balance of play it’s an awfully strong role for a baddy to have and makes sense as a good role. I also couldn’t work out which baddy role it might be. Maybe Eurus who can reprogram the human brain but doesn’t seem to add up when you read the rest of it..

The only goody power I could see it being Mrs Hudson – The mother figure of the group, Mrs Hudson is never shy of putting order in place when she sees the need. But Wini has said another role so I’m not sure on that...

Look im in work now, mad busy but will be back again around 6 or 7. Im not saying winni is bad. Not even questioning her. Im just questioning why you didnt question winni once about it. You've had a whole day to stue on it and dont have one question? Its not normal for you is my point.

Im going to take a step back here as I think I could be putting a lot of circumstantial crap together and coming up with nothing based on nothing and dont want to derail the thread for the evening.

Derry WW · 19-09-2018 03:28PM

Wini, when sending your notes, did you set traps for people you sent notes too? Tell people "X is good" (remembering the wolves would have known that anyway? Tried to link Riona and Orla together, for instance?

Riona WW · 19-09-2018 03:28PM

Derry WW wrote: »

Yeap. Can't really deny that any more, can I? There's a four strong group now. Nicely set up.

I think there's more to it than what's happening though.

I got a note from Winnie, that's all I can confirm for a fact . .

I would love to hear some theories from you if you have any . .You like puzzles so . .

Liam WW · 19-09-2018 03:28PM

Gabriel WW wrote: »

I'd welcome a note but even if I got one all it would prove is that wini can send notes.

Which we have already established can be either a good or evil role. So, as I said, just discount her and focus on the 3 she has cleared. Either all 3 are good or all 3 are bad. If they're bad she's just handed you 80% of the entire wolf team.
Occams razor here - which is the simpler explinatation?

Gabriel WW · 19-09-2018 03:31PM

Eva WW wrote:

Yes Gabriel, PART OF IT, but enough to be treated better than the leper she is being treated right now by some. Tbh, you are coming on uncharacteristically heavy here with this claim of Wini's. We need to be skeptical, we need to challenge it of course, but some of the language/tone being used like "fobbing off" and your response above is both provocative and outright dismissive. Like 'this is BS no matter what I hear', and I really think you should have a more open mind. Believing Brendan/Clodagh does not mean you have to automatically choose one or the other, we could have a serious village core building here.

You get the irony that fobbing off is another term for dismissive. So I'm saying she is dismissing concerns and you are saying I am being dismissive by saying it.

Eva WW wrote:

Again in this quote, more provocative stuff. Wini said she was leaving the thread, and you throw in that loaded few lines against her after she said so. Whether she came back or not isn't the point, your tactic in the first place was not a great look.

How is that provocative? I'm pointed out that the story she is telling isn't as hunky dory as she wants us to believe. I'm asking the questions because I want her to be telling the truth. How can I be combined without responses to my questions.

Eva WW wrote:

Also, being not just skeptical, but so dismissive and a bit provocative when someone suggests leeway for Wini, or that there might be an upside for the village...

What?!? That comment wasn't even about wini it was about Liam jumping to her defense trying to explain away why wini won't answer me.

Eva WW wrote:

Gabriel, if you are village which I have been leaning, please have a more open mind. Why are people forcing this into a Wini vs Clodagh/Brendan thing? I'm honestly asking, I could be missing something very obvious.

I have the most open mind here. That's why I'm asking questions of everyone. Why aren't you after the people I'm questioning to get them to answer Eva?

Gabriel WW · 19-09-2018 03:32PM

Liam WW wrote:

Which we have already established can be either a good or evil role. So, as I said, just discount her and focus on the 3 she has cleared. Either all 3 are good or all 3 are bad. If they're bad she's just handed you 80% of the entire wolf team. Occams razor here - which is the simpler explinatation?

No this isn't even near correct. It's not they are either all good or all bad. That would be stupid.

Holly WW · 19-09-2018 03:32PM

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Here is an interesting question; has any of the info that has been volunteered been something we can cross check via priest? Is it not a little strange wini avoided any of the people who died?

This does look scrambley to be fair to Wini, calling for the priest now?

Derry WW · 19-09-2018 03:33PM

Anyone got the list of people still left alive then?

Holly WW · 19-09-2018 03:35PM

Nigel WW wrote: »

I think this is right

Alive (15):
Abigail WW
Brendan WW - claimed Mary Watson, Bodyguard
Conor WW
Derry WW
Eva WW - team village per Winifred if she (Wini) still lives past 9pm
Gabriel WW
Gertrude WW
Holly WW
Isla WW
Liam WW
Nigel WW
Orla WW - team village per Winifred
Riona WW
Steve WW
Winifred WW - claimed Janine Hawkins

Dead:
Barbara WW - munch day 3
Clodagh WW - poisoned day 3, John Watson, vigilante
Desmond WW - shot by vig day 2
Doris WW - lynched day 2
Frank WW - killed by SK day 1
Katie WW - lynched day 1
Mary WW - munched day 1
Oisin WW - modkilled
Tegan WW - shot by Brendan under blackmail day 2
Wendy WW - munched day 2, assumed unknown rolled villager

Helpful Nigel is helpful

Liam WW · 19-09-2018 03:36PM

Abigail
Brendan
Conor
Derry
Eva
Gabriel
Gertrude
Holly
Isla
Liam
Nigel
Orla
Riona
Steve
Winifred

Sherlock - A game of Werewolf!

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