Sherlock - A game of Werewolf!

Gabriel WW

Holly WW wrote:

This does look scrambley to be fair to Wini, calling for the priest now?

I'm not. I'm asking a question. Others have asked a similar question; how did wini pick her targets.

She managed to pick 3 targets who managed to avoid death, despite a pretty decent kill rate. How did she do it? And more, why has she literally uncovered NO VERIFYABLE INFORMATION.

Like I get you guys want to believe and we don't always get a 100% slam dunk every time but a lot of people are making some serious leaps of faith with nothing to go on....and that's seemingly ok?

By all means kill me if that's where this is going. But when priest sees me as nrv look to the people who swallowed winis story. Liam for one. Eva as another.

And then look within the Fab four. I'm sure one may be good, but I don't think they all are.

Holly WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

I fear that Eva my be right about this becoming Brendan/Gabby vs The Fantastic Four looking at how the thread is going. She might not be right about other things, like I think she believes if Wini does not die that clears her while for me it just reminds us that the 12hr thing is unverifyable.

How is Gabby lumped in with Brendan there?

Riona WW

Gertrude WW wrote: »

Look im in work now, mad busy but will be back again around 6 or 7. Im not saying winni is bad. Not even questioning her. Im just questioning why you didnt question winni once about it. You've had a whole day to stue on it and dont have one question? Its not normal for you is my point.

Im going to take a step back here as I think I could be putting a lot of circumstantial crap together and coming up with nothing based on nothing and dont want to derail the thread for the evening.

Everybody is questioning winnie and are asking the questions I had considered . .

I am not clearing Winnie. I said as much and that I couldn't work out how her power fits in with any baddy and I am very surprised its not the Mrs Hudson role that I thought we be exactly this. Im all ears if you have a theory.

Imagine I am team good, then imagine I know as much about Winnies powers as you do . . Here we are .

I got a note from Winnie and 2 others have confirmed the same. . That's what I know. I cant work a bad power into

Eva WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

I've no problem per se with Orla Eva and riona when it comes to winis claim. I'm waiting for ANYONE to tell me how anything but the message part of winis story can be verified?

It can't right now and people have acknowledged that. However, the message part at least helps the village in that it has stopped me and Orla from feuding at the moment. It gives those who receive the message some unique insight*, that if not wholly clearing Wini, it might help us clear each other. I.e. I know I am not a wolf and Winnie confirmed that with me, so I guess she's telling the truth about the other PMed players.

So if it's a wolf move from Wini, unless the PM is bullshít and we are actually all marked for death with those PMs, it's a pretty shít wolf move from everything I can see. She's going about helping villagers clear each other, so what's the wolf pay-off for her?

*Unique because we know ourselves what Wini is confirming about us, where as those who didn't receive a message can suspect it is all a part of some big wolf plot.

Derry WW

So, state of play would be, if everyone is telling the truth....

Winifred WW - claimed Janine Hawkins
Orla WW - team village per Winifred
Riona WW - team village per Winifred
Eva WW - team village per Winifred if she (Wini) still lives past 9pm

Brendan WW - claimed Mary Watson, Bodyguard

And the unknowns....
Abigail WW
Conor WW
Derry WW
Gabriel WW
Gertrude WW
Holly WW
Isla WW
Liam WW
Nigel WW
Steve WW

On the assumption no one is lying (and I feel someone is, but have to assume for now no one is), then we're looking at a possible 4 wolves in 10 remaining players on that list.

Gabriel WW

Liam WW wrote:

Abigail Brendan Conor Derry Eva Gabriel Gertrude Holly Isla Liam Nigel Orla Riona Steve Winifred

Ok looking at that I'd say we may be at 10v4 at this stage. Assuming we got the sk and maybe one other wolf. 10v5 at worst.

Can probably afford the mislynch on me.

Let's start that discussion though, because it's almost 4. Who swings tonight? Because do we have any prime suspects?

Eva WW

Liam WW wrote: »

It can't be verified. But there's also a chance that she's telling the truth. So why not take advantage of her while she's alive and then lynch her if she continues to evade the wolf munch?

On this - We should afford Wini some benefit of the doubt, but if she were to continue to pick non-wolves and survive, there comes a point where that is just too good to be true.

Gabriel WW

Eva WW wrote:

It can't right now and people have acknowledged that. However, the message part at least helps the village in that it has stopped me and Orla from feuding at the moment. It gives those who receive the message some unique insight*, that if not wholly clearing Wini, it might help us clear each other. I.e. I know I am not a wolf and Winnie confirmed that with me, so I guess she's telling the truth about the other PMed players.

It doesn't help you clear orla or riona at all. In any way.

Gabriel WW

Derry WW wrote:

Winifred WW - claimed Janine Hawkins Orla WW - team village per Winifred Riona WW - team village per Winifred Eva WW - team village per Winifred if she (Wini) still lives past 9pm

Ah for god sakes not you too.

Derry WW

I floated the thought a few days ago that myself, Clodagh and Gert all FFA'd on the first day, AND voted in the top 2. I know I'm good, we can assume Clodagh is good, so my suspicions are on Gert by default there.

My read on Gabriel has been he's playing very similar to myself, and I've given him the benefit of the doubt as a result of that.

I've called out Nigel's fluffiness several times over the last few days too.

I don't have a read on any of....

Abigail WW
Conor WW
Holly WW
Isla WW
Liam WW
Steve WW

….which concerns me after a few days. Likely to be at least one, if not two, wolves in that batch.

Riona WW

Liam WW wrote: »

Which we have already established can be either a good or evil role. So, as I said, just discount her and focus on the 3 she has cleared. Either all 3 are good or all 3 are bad. If they're bad she's just handed you 80% of the entire wolf team.
Occams razor here - which is the simpler explinatation?

Ok, well I know I am good . . You don't, but lets imagine I am good for a second so I can at least explain why I feel more compelled to trust Winnie. .

I am good and I received a note from Winnie, so I know Winnie can at least send one note to a goody.

Orla and Eva received a note from Winnie. So this would suggest she has sent notes to other people.

Why would she send notes to her wolf friends ? This doesn't make sense. The notes give her some semblance of goody feel so why involve other wolves when she can systematically undermine the village on her own ? I don't get that . .

The only other way I see a wolf being involved in the notes is if she can only send one or two notes. Maybe me and Eva/Orla got a note and they can throw a wolf in there. . Less plausible . .

So I think its a note power that can be used daily. I think more then likely all three of us with notes are on the same team (assuming SK dead) and I think that Wini is likely good but could be a lone wolf . .

That's my viewpoint. . If I am bad you wont believe a word I am saying but if you look at it from the perspective that I am good can people at least understand why I might draw these conclusions ?

Gabriel WW

So, as a village, we are going with; we are going to go along with wini for now because we have nothing else to go on......?

Let's therefore base all our work and info on what she has said......?

Like the benefit of the doubt you speak of....what form does that take? Following her FFA for lynch perhaps? Letting her lead the village? What are we talking about when we say give her the benefit of the doubt?

Holly WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

I'm not. I'm asking a question. Others have asked a similar question; how did wini pick her targets.

She managed to pick 3 targets who managed to avoid death, despite a pretty decent kill rate. How did she do it? And more, why has she literally uncovered NO VERIFYABLE INFORMATION.

Like I get you guys want to believe and we don't always get a 100% slam dunk every time but a lot of people are making some serious leaps of faith with nothing to go on....and that's seemingly ok?

By all means kill me if that's where this is going. But when priest sees me as nrv look to the people who swallowed winis story. Liam for one. Eva as another.

And then look within the Fab four. I'm sure one may be good, but I don't think they all are.

Its early days yet, most people dont seem to he straight up believing Wini. you're very early to go all in, its only 3.30 why would we settle to lynch you now? Strange way for an NRV to react imo, I'd be inclined to give Wini the benefit of the doubt for now, afaik her and Brenda's stories dont conflict but people are making it out like that. When more information becomes available we can throw out or trust her.

You seem wolfy, yiu were posting wolfy plans earlier too and thats wolfy aswell

Derry WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Ah for god sakes not you too.

Like, don't get me wrong Gab.

I don't like the idea.

But there's no evidence against them that makes it justifiable to lynch them tonight, is there? Other than "I feel this is wrong"? I don't trust the play. I don't feel that the character name given, nor the power given to her, lines up with how true to character the other roles have been.

But I'm also not going to work on lynching a possible second seer, am I? If there's any chance it's true, what option is there then? Keep disrupting village discussion and let the wolves run free in the shadows?


I'm not going to vote for someone based on Wini trying to railroad people. Especially since it's not obvious the railroad attempt on Dessie wasn't based on fact but hunches? I'll weigh up the options I have for tonight and vote accordingly.

Gabriel WW

Holly WW wrote:

Its early days yet, most people dont seem to he straight up believing Wini. you're very early to go all in, its only 3.30 why would we settle to lynch you now? Strange way for an NRV to react imo, I'd be inclined to give Wini the benefit of the doubt for now, afaik her and Brenda's stories dont conflict but people are making it out like that. When more information becomes available we can throw out or trust her.

She has a core believing her and going with it without any verification. That's a very dangerous precedent I don't want set.

I'm not a wolf. I'm a nrv. I can question all I want and draw heat and risk being lynched because I'm not a power player here. That's my role. If I draw a Lynch and save a RV then I've done good. But in the meantime you guys are dismissing all the work I'm doing to try and avoid that outcome.

It's really very frustrating.

Try and clear up winis claim and I'm wolfy

Offer to take the call and I'm wolfy

Try to get discussion on lynch going and I'm wolfy.

Gabriel WW

Derry WW wrote:

But I'm also not going to work on lynching a possible second seer, am I? If there's any chance it's true, what option is there then? Keep disrupting village discussion and let the wolves run free in the shadows?

FWIW I'm happy the discussion is moving on to the posters who seem to be slinking by.

Abigail WW

Holly WW wrote: »

How is Gabby lumped in with Brendan there?

Meant Clodagh - Eva has repeated it a few times, here for example

Eva WW wrote: »

As well as repeatedly ignoring a valid question from me after you threw shade on me, you are now totally closing up on the possibility that Wini could be legit and the village could have a strong asset here. You are one of the very people making this a Wini and The Messaged v Brendan/Clodagh. Hmm. And why does it even need to be a Wini vs Clod/Bren thing? Did Wini come out with her claim disputing Clodagh or making heat against her? No. However, Clodagh and Brendan went on the immediate defensive.

Seeing as your around Holly what is your read on the whole wini situation? Your someone we need to hear more from

Gabriel WW

Conor, holly, Isla, Liam Steve.

Steve popping in and out
Conor has been missing most of today
Holly seems to have piped up since wini revealed
Isla has been where exactly?
Liam is a snake in my book but has piped up since wini revealed as well.

Abi. Now I'm not sure on abi. Seems reasoned and open to possibilities. Could be fence sitting.

Would prefer to focus on the 5 above. Think I'll do that this evening.

Orla WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

She has a core believing her and going with it without any verification. That's a very dangerous precedent I don't want set.

I'm not a wolf. I'm a nrv. I can question all I want and draw heat and risk being lynched because I'm not a power player here. That's my role. If I draw a Lynch and save a RV then I've done good. But in the meantime you guys are dismissing all the work I'm doing to try and avoid that outcome.

It's really very frustrating.

Try and clear up winis claim and I'm wolfy

Offer to take the call and I'm wolfy

Try to get discussion on lynch going and I'm wolfy.

So, FFAs then? I'm home now, can compile them if there's no one else.

Say 7pm deadline?

Abigail WW

Eva WW wrote: »

On this - We should afford Wini some benefit of the doubt, but if she were to continue to pick non-wolves and survive, there comes a point where that is just too good to be true.

We only know they are non wolves cos they say they are non wolves. We only know she would die after 12hrs otherwise cos Wini says that. Nothing is verified.


I still don't want to go against it cos I fear the village is struggling if this isn't true. I mean our Vig just died, our BG has been outed and while both were alive and out the Wolves went for a different target who perhaps may be more high profile in their minds, Priest/Seer I'd guess.

Liam WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Ok looking at that I'd say we may be at 10v4 at this stage. Assuming we got the sk and maybe one other wolf. 10v5 at worst.

Can probably afford the mislynch on me.

Let's start that discussion though, because it's almost 4. Who swings tonight? Because do we have any prime suspects?

Besides you of course? :P

Eva WW wrote: »

On this - We should afford Wini some benefit of the doubt, but if she were to continue to pick non-wolves and survive, there comes a point where that is just too good to be true.

Agreed

Derry WW wrote: »

I floated the thought a few days ago that myself, Clodagh and Gert all FFA'd on the first day, AND voted in the top 2. I know I'm good, we can assume Clodagh is good, so my suspicions are on Gert by default there.

My read on Gabriel has been he's playing very similar to myself, and I've given him the benefit of the doubt as a result of that.

I've called out Nigel's fluffiness several times over the last few days too.

I don't have a read on any of....

Abigail WW
Conor WW
Holly WW
Isla WW
Liam WW
Steve WW

….which concerns me after a few days. Likely to be at least one, if not two, wolves in that batch.

So then can we go with my plan from earlier and lynch one of those unknowns? Out of that list my top 3 suspects would be Abigail, Holly and Steve.

Gabriel WW

I wonder who joined the jailer last night.

Jailer shouldn't come out I think but if it wasn't a villager it was probably a wolf, right?

Eva WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

You get the irony that fobbing off is another term for dismissive. So I'm saying she is dismissing concerns and you are saying I am being dismissive by saying it.



How is that provocative? I'm pointed out that the story she is telling isn't as hunky dory as she wants us to believe. I'm asking the questions because I want her to be telling the truth. How can I be combined without responses to my questions.



What?!? That comment wasn't even about wini it was about Liam jumping to her defense trying to explain away why wini won't answer me.




I have the most open mind here. That's why I'm asking questions of everyone. Why aren't you after the people I'm questioning to get them to answer Eva?

Who are you after Gabriel? I'm kinda running my own thing here rather than feeling I should be on the look out for indirect requests from you or anyone else. If you want to share a suspicion with me, tell me who and we'll iron it out.

On that note - you asked for reads lists from me this morning, but eventually agreed it was excessive. However I still said I would try to offer more. For example - I then did something which is done in games but no one seems concerned on doing in this game - Try to look at who we lynched and figure out what state we might be in. So I made a post about Doris, which might have even merited a 'Yeah, good shout' or 'No, way off' response, but who cared? I tried to help figure out if we got a wolf, but no one responded and no one gave a shít.

So I'm happy to have reads on people and contribute more to the game, but as I said to you this morning - I'm grand with my own contribution here. Even more so now that I might be somewhat helping to form a village core.

..................................................

And again people...

Where the hell are the likes of Isla? When I say 'the likes', I mean Steve too. It's good to see that Holly has arrived on thread and is contributing.

Holly WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

She has a core believing her and going with it without any verification. That's a very dangerous precedent I don't want set.

I'm not a wolf. I'm a nrv. I can question all I want and draw heat and risk being lynched because I'm not a power player here. That's my role. If I draw a Lynch and save a RV then I've done good. But in the meantime you guys are dismissing all the work I'm doing to try and avoid that outcome.

It's really very frustrating.

Try and clear up winis claim and I'm wolfy

Offer to take the call and I'm wolfy

Try to get discussion on lynch going and I'm wolfy.

Thats fine, im not saying believe her but go with it for now, focus on the 10 unknowns if she is telling the truth, as theres almost guaranteed a few wolves there anyways.

Im not telling you not to question but offering to make the lynch "unconfirmed goody i doubt or me, an nrv" before 4 is very noble wolf play to me. And offering to take the lynch isnt getting lynch discussion going either imo.

Derry WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

I wonder who joined the jailer last night.

Jailer shouldn't come out I think but if it wasn't a villager it was probably a wolf, right?

Is there a third team in play we don't know about? :P

Abigail WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Conor, holly, Isla, Liam Steve.

Steve popping in and out
Conor has been missing most of today
Holly seems to have piped up since wini revealed
Isla has been where exactly?
Liam is a snake in my book but has piped up since wini revealed as well.

Abi. Now I'm not sure on abi. Seems reasoned and open to possibilities. Could be fence sitting.

Would prefer to focus on the 5 above. Think I'll do that this evening.

I would kind of follow this line of thinking. I don't really see a way to resolve the other issue as its unverifyable and (which really worries me in the long term) we have to move forward do FFAs, try to focus on a lynch etc and those are the one who stand out by not standing out this far into the game imo.


I will also admit in some ways I am sitting on the fence with regards Wini's group but thats mostly because as said its almost impossible to verify. Wini can pass notes, so what? that does not clear her or those she passes them to. However I don't want to outright dismiss it either as we may need it as a village if as I fear we have lost our seer or priest in Babs as well as our Vig while our BG has been outed.

Gabriel WW

Eva WW wrote:

On that note - you asked for reads lists from me this morning, but eventually agreed it was excessive. However I still said I would try to offer more. For example - I then did something which is done in games but no one seems concerned on doing in this game - Try to look at who we lynched and figure out what state we might be in. So I made a post about Doris, which might have even merited a 'Yeah, good shout' or 'No, way off' response, but who cared? I tried to help figure out if we got a wolf, but no one responded and no one gave a shít.

I didn't see that tbh. Gold star for you.

Eva WW wrote:

Where the hell are the likes of Isla? When I say 'the likes', I mean Steve too. It's good to see that Holly has arrived on thread and is contributing.

Agree with this. I posted the list of people I suspect above. I'll narrow it down to an FFA before 7.

Gabriel WW

Holly WW wrote:

And offering to take the lynch isnt getting lynch discussion going either imo.

Are you actually for real?

Gabriel WW

Derry WW wrote:

Is there a third team in play we don't know about?

I should certainly hope not

My point is we haven't heard a peep.

Brendan WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

I wonder who joined the jailer last night.

Jailer shouldn't come out I think but if it wasn't a villager it was probably a wolf, right?

Clodagh was jailed last night