Sherlock - A game of Werewolf!

Derry WW

Oh, hey.

Did anyone new get hospitalized this morning? If someone did yesterday, and no one did today, then that narrows down the SK list too, right?

Holly WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

Meant Clodagh - Eva has repeated it a few times, here for example



Seeing as your around Holly what is your read on the whole wini situation? Your someone we need to hear more from

Cool, was seeing that alright but not the other. Interesting that Derry is one pushing the Wini v Clodan side, reminds me of Gertie in the last game. Worth a message if Wini is legit I'd say.


I'm not convinced that Wini herself is good, I'm leaning towards it but it could always be a wolfy ploy. There's grounds for maybe two wolves in the scene but I can't see it being all wolves, Liam and Riona explained it fairly well.



My suggestion would be to take her as truthful for now and focus down the other 10 players, a full readlist on each of them or maybe a list-confined FFA mightn't be a bad shout to flush everyone's opinions on the bunch. At one stage or another we're going to have to go through them anyways.


Is the SK confirmed dead? I was wondering if his list of hospitalized players were the ones he could kill from, he had the choice to add up to 4 players a day, there would be 5 at the moment afaik so he mighn't have added more players to take some heat off for the day. That's a little far out I think though, I'm gonna take him as dead for now.


At worst, we're at 10-5, it's too early in the game for lynching villager claims on suspicion alone imo, give it a day or two and see how the story holds up then, if she's legit we'll have a bigger pool of confirmed villagers, if not, lynch her the lynch before lylo anyways.

Gabriel WW

Brendan WW wrote:

Clodagh was jailed last night

How do you think we manage your protect then.

Jailer protects you to keep you alive and we forego your protect (I assume)?

Holly WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Are you actually for real?

Absolutely, how does that bring us closer to lynching a wolf?

Orla WW

Given there was no SK kill yesterday, my assumption is that he's dead. Although, this may not be the case but I can't see a scenario where he doesn't kill...

Unless he tried to kill someone protected? BG protection as per Rule 4 indicates (to me, anyways) - lynch to lynch protection.

Brendan may be better able to confirm this of course.

Conor WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Conor, holly, Isla, Liam Steve.

Steve popping in and out
Conor has been missing most of today
Holly seems to have piped up since wini revealed
Isla has been where exactly?
Liam is a snake in my book but has piped up since wini revealed as well.

Abi. Now I'm not sure on abi. Seems reasoned and open to possibilities. Could be fence sitting.

Would prefer to focus on the 5 above. Think I'll do that this evening.

Oh I've been here for a while now and I'm going to come out and say it, I think Wini's full of it. I've been reading back over the whole bit after she came out and I have so many objections it's unreal.

Firstly, the decision to use voting for someone as a way to identify yourself to another person is idiotic. You sent the note 12 hours before the lynch, you've no way of knowing whether Orla will draw any heat and end up lynched at which point you've wasted a note.

Second the timing. On two fronts. Clodagh says she'll shoot you and Eva starts to spin a tale. You come out. Clodagh says it's nonsense and then Clodagh is dead. Funny that. The other thing is you said your power kicks in after the lynch. Why wait until the next morning to use it? This means that your note recipients might die via lynch before confirming you as "good". It seems really strange timing to send the notes so early.

Third was her response to my question about Irene Adler. She didn't say she'd asked mods or anything, just said it same as Sherlock's peeks, couldn't be sure. I can't believe anyone getting that kind of role, with Irene Adler in play wouldn't at least ask the question.

Finally is the fact that it's all so unverifiable that it seems kind of a pointless power.

All of that said...I don't know wtf we do with it because I could be totally wrong. Unless anyone sees a way of proving/disproving it, looking elsewhere is definitely the way to go because the chances of Wini/Orla/Eva/Riona ALL being wolves seems equally unlikely.

Eva WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

It doesn't help you clear orla or riona at all. In any way.

I'll be honest Gabriel, for someone who has said twice today in some way "I need to step away, I'm getting nothing done", you are awfully concerned about proceedings and getting many posts in despite that. The village are in no real danger here in the next few hours - if you are NRV as you say, why can you not leave like you say you need to?

Now you are resorting to lines like "When the priest confirms me as NRV, you'll know.." and "with my mislynch tonight"...Who is lynching you Gabriel? Plus, they are extremely wolfy lines. That's after you already conceded this morning that some of your words could be seen as a wolfy effort to pre-empt the village's response in the event of you not being munched.

How do you think you are in danger from a lynch so long before the lynch, with heat building on Wini? Your behaviour since this morning is starting to concern me, and that's before any of this Wini business. You tackled me about reads lists this morning, and then backed off that way too easy. Sure, I was content to not have to go on more bullshít about reads lists, but your immediate rolling back on me was noted.

Derry is expressing something like healthy skepticism, you are starting to seem desperate over something.

Ah and btw Gabriel, someone has accused you of asking the priest to come out. I'm in the middle on that, but I did notice you earlier ask if "Well hold on do we have the ability to protect the priest if they do come out?". Those two things together do not look great.

Others were suspicious of your behaviour yesterday but I gave you a pass. However, I'm now wondering otherwise.

Edit before submitting: I now you see go with a snide 'Gold Star' at me for that post about Doris. God damn it Gabriel, if you are village you are not making this easy.

Riona WW

Liam WW wrote: »

Just on this: probably no harm if Wini survives the munch tomorrow to announce who she is planning to send a note to. This way, if she dies then we'll all know who the wolf was.

Holly WW wrote: »

My suggestion would be to take her as truthful for now and focus down the other 10 players, a full readlist on each of them or maybe a list-confined FFA mightn't be a bad shout to flush everyone's opinions on the bunch. At one stage or another we're going to have to go through them anyways...

Liam, I apologize for ridiculing your idea . .

Maybe Gabriel or Derry should be the person Winnie sends the note to in the morning . . If they are good they have nothing to fear . .

I didn't get what you were saying but if I am reading you correctly, if Winnie is good and If she is telling the truth, her confirming on thread who she is sending note to will scare the wolves if we choose a wolf ? If she dies 12 hours afterwards it confirms a wolf.

That will force the wolves to kill her. If they kill her it confirms all three of us are good (unless they can kill one of their own) and backs up her story.

Holes in this plan ?

Them killing Winnie does not confirm the person chosen is bad. If Winnie is bad we are letting her carry on in plain sight and she may even "clear" a wolf . .

But the more I think about the Winnie role the less I can find which baddy it fits. Oddly enough I would of thought the Irene role would be the worst for the goodies . . She peaks good while being away from her den and can pass notes while she is away . . That would be nasty dangerous .

Abigail WW

I'ts now past 4 so I think for the sake of the village being productive focusing on the 10 not involved in the claim seems like how we may proceed if we are to get FFAs etc in my main worry is that we will get a good few with very flimsy reasons. As the people I'm looking at in those 10 at the moment are the ones im wondering how this deep into the game ive almost no read on. Just did a search through Holly's posts for example and this is all I could come up with

Holly:

tunneling Nigel - lowest post count thats even padded by Magic the gathering talk, riddle guesses, hospitalization talk and a youtube video and asking others opinions instead of giving her own.

Very little to read into tbh - Could be a wolf laying low and argueably coasting by but then again could I not say this of Steve, Liam, Isla...

Derry WW

Holly WW wrote: »

Cool, was seeing that alright but not the other. Interesting that Derry is one pushing the Wini v Clodan side, reminds me of Gertie in the last game. Worth a message if Wini is legit I'd say.

Did I push a "Wini vs Clodagh" side? I think that's a misrepresentation. And I also am fascinated you're trying a meta game to throw shade at me too....

Riona WW

Conor WW wrote: »

Third was her response to my question about Irene Adler. She didn't say she'd asked mods or anything, just said it same as Sherlock's peeks, couldn't be sure. I can't believe anyone getting that kind of role, with Irene Adler in play wouldn't at least ask the question.

Funny you should mention Irene the same time as I did . . What peeks are you speaking about ?

Remember if the other two got notes like me we are just goodies who got notes . .

Holly WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

I'ts now past 4 so I think for the sake of the village being productive focusing on the 10 not involved in the claim seems like how we may proceed if we are to get FFAs etc in my main worry is that we will get a good few with very flimsy reasons. As the people I'm looking at in those 10 at the moment are the ones im wondering how this deep into the game ive almost no read on. Just did a search through Holly's posts for example and this is all I could come up with

Holly:

tunneling Nigel - lowest post count thats even padded by Magic the gathering talk, riddle guesses, hospitalization talk and a youtube video and asking others opinions instead of giving her own.

Very little to read into tbh - Could be a wolf laying low and argueably coasting by but then again could I not say this of Steve, Liam, Isla...

I havent been tunnelling Nigel, i just havent seen anything from him to change my mind that hes a wolf. Hardly tunnelling.

I dont think theres anything wrong with asking questions is there? Flimsy reason to bring up, ill admit i havent posted my own enough alright

Holly WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Did I push a "Wini vs Clodagh" side? I think that's a misrepresentation. And I also am fascinated you're trying a meta game to throw shade at me too....

Maybe, I haven't looked into it yet honestly. The meta thing is a bit **** yeah, I'd love to see you peeked, too good to be true is probably the best way of putting it, wasn't meant as shade just worded poorly

Conor WW

Riona WW wrote: »

Funny you should mention Irene the same time as I did . . What peeks are you speaking about ?

Remember if the other two got notes like me we are just goodies who got notes . .

Ok two things...not sure what you mean about me mentioning it at the same time as you but to clarify I asked Wini ages ago about Irene Adler...as in how could she know for sure that the people she messaged were good. She said she couldn't but neither could Sherlock. I'm skeptical because if I had Wini's role I'd want to know if a) I'd die if I messaged Irene or b) I wouldn't because Irene would be classed as good.

Abigail WW

Holly WW wrote: »

I havent been tunnelling Nigel, i just havent seen anything from him to change my mind that hes a wolf. Hardly tunnelling.

I dont think theres anything wrong with asking questions is there? Flimsy reason to bring up, ill admit i havent posted my own enough alright

That was exactly my point that I fear we will be getting a lot of flimsy reasons in fact I just like you used the word flimsy in the post you just quoted. That should not stop people putting forward FFAs though, in fact im looking forward to reading them and hopefully when I look through the others on those lists I will find more but I fear there is a reason a lot of people don't have a read on people like yourself, Steve and co - you guys havent really done much of note all game.

Conor WW

Riona WW wrote: »

Funny you should mention Irene the same time as I did . . What peeks are you speaking about ?

Remember if the other two got notes like me we are just goodies who got notes . .

And I forgot the second thing although really it's the same thing. If the other 2 got notes like you you are not necessarily just goodies who got the note - any of you could be Irene.

Eva WW

Conor WW wrote: »

Oh I've been here for a while now and I'm going to come out and say it, I think Wini's full of it. I've been reading back over the whole bit after she came out and I have so many objections it's unreal.

Firstly, the decision to use voting for someone as a way to identify yourself to another person is idiotic. You sent the note 12 hours before the lynch, you've no way of knowing whether Orla will draw any heat and end up lynched at which point you've wasted a note.

Second the timing. On two fronts. Clodagh says she'll shoot you and Eva starts to spin a tale. You come out. Clodagh says it's nonsense and then Clodagh is dead. Funny that. The other thing is you said your power kicks in after the lynch. Why wait until the next morning to use it? This means that your note recipients might die via lynch before confirming you as "good". It seems really strange timing to send the notes so early.

Third was her response to my question about Irene Adler. She didn't say she'd asked mods or anything, just said it same as Sherlock's peeks, couldn't be sure. I can't believe anyone getting that kind of role, with Irene Adler in play wouldn't at least ask the question.

Finally is the fact that it's all so unverifiable that it seems kind of a pointless power.

All of that said...I don't know wtf we do with it because I could be totally wrong. Unless anyone sees a way of proving/disproving it, looking elsewhere is definitely the way to go because the chances of Wini/Orla/Eva/Riona ALL being wolves seems equally unlikely.

I started to spin a tale Conor? Did no such thing. I alerted the village that we might be about to shoot a RV based on info which just came to me. I was also cautious in my approach on doing it, like asking the thread for opinion on if I should.

Orla and Riona confirmed they got similar messages, they got them before me and before I knew the PMs even existed, so I spun no tale. If Wini is bad, then she played me like a fool, but I spun no tale.

Brendan WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Oh, hey.

Did anyone new get hospitalized this morning? If someone did yesterday, and no one did today, then that narrows down the SK list too, right?

I reckon the SK is dead. Can the people who were hospitalised yesterday confirm if they are still there.

Gabriel WW wrote: »

How do you think we manage your protect then.

Jailer protects you to keep you alive and we forego your protect (I assume)?

I am happy to go with the consensus of the village but yes if I am jailed I cannot protect.

Orla WW wrote: »

Given there was no SK kill yesterday, my assumption is that he's dead. Although, this may not be the case but I can't see a scenario where he doesn't kill...

Unless he tried to kill someone protected? BG protection as per Rule 4 indicates (to me, anyways) - lynch to lynch protection.

Brendan may be better able to confirm this of course.

No he did not try to kill someone I protected. If I had successfully protected someone from a kill then John would have gotten an extra bullet. As he didn't there was no successful protection.

Holly WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Did I push a "Wini vs Clodagh" side? I think that's a misrepresentation. And I also am fascinated you're trying a meta game to throw shade at me too....

Yeah I think it might be, didn't actually see it on a quick look back.

Eva WW wrote: »

You are one of the very people making this a Wini and The Messaged v Brendan/Clodagh. Hmm. And why does it even need to be a Wini vs Clod/Bren thing? Did Wini come out with her claim disputing Clodagh or making heat against her? No. However, Clodagh and Brendan went on the immediate defensive.

Where does this come from Eva?

Gabriel WW

Conor WW wrote:

Second the timing. On two fronts. Clodagh says she'll shoot you and Eva starts to spin a tale. You come out. Clodagh says it's nonsense and then Clodagh is dead. Funny that. The other thing is you said your power kicks in after the lynch. Why wait until the next morning to use it? This means that your note recipients might die via lynch before confirming you as "good". It seems really strange timing to send the notes so early.

And now Eva combating the other proponent of doubting wini.

You will be next to suffer her ire.

Gabriel WW

Eva WW wrote:

Edit before submitting: I now you see go with a snide 'Gold Star' at me for that post about Doris. God damn it Gabriel, if you are village you are not making this easy.

You are reading everything I post as snide and aggressive and dismissive and whatever other negative adjectives you can find. That's on you, not me. That gold star was given in good faith.

I would suggest you are coming up with a negative read on me because that's what you are looking for.

Gabriel WW

Anyone accusing me of trying to force a reveal or anything of that kind.....we need to have a plan as a village. I've been trying to organise us since d1. Again, throw mud at me, that's fine. I'm here to draw heat. But how about actually discussing how we proceed rather than building a case on gabe wants reveals now, when that plainly isn't the case (holly and eva).

Orla WW

Brendan WW wrote: »

No he did not try to kill someone I protected. If I had successfully protected someone from a kill then John would have gotten an extra bullet. As he didn't there was no successful protection.

Ok, so tbh, I'm thinking the SK is dead.

Liam WW

Liam WW wrote: »

So then can we go with my plan from earlier and lynch one of those unknowns? Out of that list my top 3 suspects would be Abigail, Holly and Steve.

To make it official, my #FFA3:

Abigail WW – didn’t like day 1 posts. Seemed forced. Talks a lot about the pills. Still a slight Wolf lean.

Holly WW – low poster. Going after Nigel for wolf. Unsure. No read.

Steve WW – Claims he was hospitalised yesterday but was coy about it. Not sure why? Maybe started the Doris train last night? Clashed with Orla last night about low vs high posters.

Gabriel WW

Why am I not on your FFA Liam.

Eva WW

Holly WW wrote: »

Yeah I think it might be, didn't actually see it on a quick look back.





Where does this come from Eva?

Oh wait Holly, you seriously used my own work to pawn off as your own, and when someone calls you on a point you look for me to pick up the pieces?

Read the thread for yourself. Others and not just me have recognised that this is turning into that such thing. Orla did, Abi did, people who have put in some of their own work can see what has happened.

You are after being caught out throwing shade at someone which you didn't verify in the first place, and at the same time you used such specific meta in the reasoning.

I know you are here and contributing where as Isla isn't, but I'm not getting a great vibe from you. If you are village, please do your own work and don't just pop in after an absense to paraphrase someone else's findings.

Conor WW

Eva WW wrote: »

I started to spin a tale Conor? Did no such thing. I alerted the village that we might be about to shoot a RV based on info which just came to me. I was also cautious in my approach on doing it, like asking the thread for opinion on if I should.

Orla and Riona confirmed they got similar messages, they got them before me and before I knew the PMs even existed, so I spun no tale. If Wini is bad, then she played me like a fool, but I spun no tale.

Fair point. I was more saying how it read to me but yeah ok.

Orla WW

I'm compiling FFAs tonight folks.

7pm deadline ok with everyone?

Have 2 so far... could do with a few more.

Brendan WW

I'm going to be AFK shortly so won't get time to a FFA. I will get back on pre lynch to see who the village would like me to protect.

Orla WW

Brendan WW wrote: »

I'm going to be AFK shortly so won't get time to a FFA. I will get back on pre lynch to see who the village would like me to protect.

Suspicions, thoughts? Anything to give us a hand? Even your top suspect is ok, you surely suspect one or two?