Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

FrancieBrady

alaimacerc wrote: »

I'm not repeating myself on a tangent I've more than covered already.



You didn't so much offer your opinion as to what they'd do, as slag them off in advance for backing down. While covering yourself by simultaneously slagging them off if they stick to "NEVER NEVER".

As I already pointed out, I'm not at all critical of SF on this -- other than being slow reproductive rights learners, but not as slow as the other three main single-community parties. I mention them only in the light of the hilarity of how you would gloss SF "quietly backing down", or sticking to their "NEVER NEVER redlines".

It's pretty much your single transferable post.

Where did I do anything only tell the facts.

FrancieBrady wrote:

The DUP have a habit of quietly backing down on their NEVER NEVER redlines if it doesn't suit them.

If you object to the fact above, point out what your objection is please with counter facts.

The DUP are the ONLY party standing in the way of equal rights on the island.

"homemaker" Joanna Jordan is going to bring a petition challenging the High Court ruling that the rest of the country can outvote her.

Why is there no journalist in the country wants to profile this constant agitator, neither her nor Charles Byrne?

Where do they get their money? Private citizens, homemakers and music teachers, for instance, rarely have high court cash just knocking around.

Where is the Irish Times piece on the people suing the voters of Ireland at great expense?

ELM327

Can we just abort the two of them and bring in the will of the people?

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

Can we just abort the two of them and bring in the will of the people?

id be careful to state that they have a right to make their case and claim under the legitimate means available

but with that said the mystery around them and their extraordinary resources is......noteworthy. influence in high places in media at the very least the way the the press are just ignoring this.

end of the road

ELM327 wrote: »

Can we just abort the two of them and bring in the will of the people?

thankfully we can't kill people just because someone doesn't agree with them.

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

id be careful to state that they have a right to make their case and claim under the legitimate means available

but with that said the mystery around them and their extraordinary resources is......noteworthy. influence in high places in media at the very least the way the the press are just ignoring this.

Generally yes


However, these are two frivolous cases based on nothing but bias and bunkum. In order to be successful they need to not only prove their claims, but also prove that it materially affected the result.


And the best case scenario for them is a rerun of the election. Which will result in a similar result anyway!


EDIT: If the post above mine is directed at me, I cannot see it as "This message is hidden because end of the road is on your ignore list. "

Loafing Oaf

end of the road wrote: »

thankfully we can't kill people just because someone doesn't agree with them.

To quote Morrissey in a similar context: "I'm sure there was a certain flippancy to that remark. I wasn't banging a mallet on the table."

judge recommends pursuing her for full 200k cost

she'll find that down the back of her sofa, but who will have left it there?

yerman had only a piano to his name. funny, its a name that shows up long enough ago if you google it in its various translations. state pursuing him against judge recommendation.

good.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/03c8a114-9059-11e8-8c1a-b63727488402

So with a few Catholic run hospitals saying they will refuse to perform abortions, may now lose control over those hospitals.

Great news, and glorious to see them shoot themselves in the foot, again, and again, and again.

A report outlining a plan to separate church and state in healthcare is due before the government next month. It has examined a code of ethics from the Irish Catholic Bishops’ Conference that suggests banning abortion in hospitals with a religious ethos.

ELM327

Gintonious wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/03c8a114-9059-11e8-8c1a-b63727488402

So with a few Catholic run hospitals saying they will refuse to perform abortions, may now lose control over those hospitals.

Great news, and glorious to see them shoot themselves in the foot, again, and again, and again.

Only right to be fair, why should some ridiculous paedophile organisation be in charge of the maternity hospitals - or hospitals in general.

uptherebels

Gintonious wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/03c8a114-9059-11e8-8c1a-b63727488402

So with a few Catholic run hospitals saying they will refuse to perform abortions, may now lose control over those hospitals.

Great news, and glorious to see them shoot themselves in the foot, again, and again, and again.

This is the final straw that will finally push the government into action about removing church influence in health care. The only sad thing is that it takes the church refusing to do something first

Gintonious

Gintonious wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/03c8a114-9059-11e8-8c1a-b63727488402

So with a few Catholic run hospitals saying they will refuse to perform abortions, may now lose control over those hospitals.

Great news, and glorious to see them shoot themselves in the foot, again, and again, and again.

Meh! Sure, if the Government want to pay for the use of the buildings all these years, not to mention wages for all the nuns who set the hospitals up.....

gctest50

Deleted User wrote: »

Meh! Sure, if the Government want to pay for the use of the buildings all these years, not to mention wages for all the nuns who set the hospitals up.....

Can be taken in part payment for settling all the abuse cases and the 700+ dead babies in the septic tanks in Tuam etc

pleas advice

ah now, they were hardly all thrown in the septic tank... I mean, I know it makes for an eye-catching headline, but..

_Dara_

pleas advice wrote: »

ah now, they were hardly all thrown in the septic tank... I mean, I know it makes for an eye-catching headline, but..

If only one was, that’s too many.

Your post reminds me of those people who downplay how many Jews were murdered during WWII. Oh, only a million, you say? Like, even if they were right, it would still be so wrong.

Timberrrrrrrr

pleas advice wrote: »

ah now, they were hardly all thrown in the septic tank... I mean, I know it makes for an eye-catching headline, but..

So that makes it ok? :rolleyes:

Annasopra

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF don't routinely block rights though, as far as I can see.

They kinda blocked the 1967 Act being extended for about 50 years though.

iguana

Deleted User wrote: »

Meh! Sure, if the Government want to pay for the use of the buildings all these years, not to mention wages for all the nuns who set the hospitals up.....

The church owes the state well over a billion euros not accounting for interest. It is long, long, long past time that they were stripped of assets to the value of what they owe. Those hospitals and the vast majority of schools are the rightful property of the state.

FrancieBrady

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

They kinda blocked the 1967 Act being extended for about 50 years though.

I am not for a minute defending any party but like all but one party on this island they have changed their view and have gotten behind liberalising policy on these matters.

The focus really should be on removing the last bastion of bigoted religious fundamentalists influencing social laws and policy governing everyone.

gctest50

gctest50 wrote: »

Can be taken in part payment for settling all the abuse cases and the 700+ dead babies in the septic tanks in Tuam etc

Part payment? I think you might want to do a bit of a valuation....
Add in voluntary health and teaching personnel, and I think you might find the State would have a fairly substantial deficit - especially since the State itself - shamefully - was culpable in passing draconian laws, condemning these women and their children to a hellish life, and failing completely in their duty of care to the poor unfortunates their actions condemned as surely as those so-called "igious" who carried out the abuse.

iguana wrote: »

The church owes the state well over a billion euros not accounting for interest. It is long, long, long past time that they were stripped of assets to the value of what they owe. Those hospitals and the vast majority of schools are the rightful property of the state.

The vast majority of schools are the property of the Catholic Community - not the hierarchy.

Zubeneschamali

Deleted User wrote: »

Part payment? I think you might want to do a bit of a valuation...

OK - pay up or else.


1 billion will do for starters.

And because we all know why the church owes the money, they are on the back foot. I say go for a million trillion euros and f@ck them.

gctest50

Deleted User wrote: »

Part payment? I think you might want to do a bit of a valuation....


Add in voluntary health and teaching personnel,

except they were being paid by the people ( or the same people be would living under the threat of being ostracised from the pulpit by the local Roman Terrorist if they didn't pay up )

Deleted User wrote: »

and I think you might find the State would have a fairly substantial deficit - especially since the State itself - shamefully - was culpable in passing draconian laws, condemning these women and their children to a hellish life, and failing completely in their duty of care to the poor unfortunates their actions condemned as surely as those so-called "igious" who carried out the abuse.

Originally Posted by iguana
The church owes the state well over a billion euros not accounting for interest. It is long, long, long past time that they were stripped of assets to the value of what they owe. Those hospitals and the vast majority of schools are the rightful property of the state.

The vast majority of schools are the property of the Catholic Community - not the hierarchy.

Deleted User wrote: »

The vast majority of schools are the property of the Catholic Community - not the hierarchy.

Property of the people, same as things and property taken over by the Nazi scum was returned to the people.

gctest50

gctest50 wrote: »

except they were being paid by the people ( or the same people be would living under the threat of being ostracised from the pulpit by the local Roman Terrorist if they didn't pay up )


Property of the people, same as things and property taken over by the Nazi scum was returned to the people.

Was it the responsibility of "the people", or the Government, to pay the staff in Government institutions?
Or did the Government not collect tax?

Nice word choice. Does "the people" mean those who have no connection whatsoever with those who contributed to the building and upkeep of those buildings over the years - or are you suggesting that they're effectively state owned?

I think you may find that property rights are fairly securely enshrined in Irish legislation.

And, by the way, this is way off-topic.

Annasopra

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am not for a minute defending any party but like all but one party on this island they have changed their view and have gotten behind liberalising policy on these matters.

The focus really should be on removing the last bastion of bigoted religious fundamentalists influencing social laws and policy governing everyone.

You just argued they dont routinely rights. They were completely happy to block abortion rights for about 50 years so you were wrong.

gctest50

Deleted User wrote: »

............

And, by the way, this is way off-topic.

Yes mod

Anything you say mod


Yer not on the side of the gaa pitch now

FrancieBrady

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You just argued they dont routinely rights. They were completely happy to block abortion rights for about 50 years so you were wrong.

Everybody did Joey.

But if it helps you, carry on with the rather pathetic attempt to characterise them as the current problem with regards to equal rights for all. I fancy nothing I could say or do will change that mindset.

gctest50

gctest50 wrote: »

Yes mod

Anything you say mod


Yer not on the side of the gaa pitch now

Reported.

Skylinehead

Deleted User wrote: »

Reported.

Leave the modding to us, thanks.

Igotadose

Looks like the appeals court will be hearing Joanna Jordan's appeal on August 17th, submissions due by the 7th.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/abortion-referendum-appeal-to-be-heard-in-august-1.3578370

I had thought the appeals court would've thrown out the request to appeal, apparently not.

Also, someone from Leitrim wants to get in on action (same article) but the Judges are denying it, saying 'you can't bring your appeal as a substitution for one already ruled on, just because you want to.'

super_furry

I'd love to know just who's funding these appeals.