Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

Relhcstirt · 17-09-2018 09:13PM

Best of luck is right. Only 47 weeks & 6 days to the AI Final!!

puzl · 17-09-2018 10:23PM

4 months or so until the league starts. Plenty of time to get a team in place and start to put his ideas into action. Being in 1B will be a good warmup for everyone. And by the time we get a league QF under our belt we'll start to see where we stand.

I'm already excited. Best of luck to everyone.

Mastermcgrath · 17-09-2018 11:12PM

IanVW wrote: »

Paraic Fanning ratified as Waterford senior hurling manager with James Murray & Pa Kearney as selectors

Best to luck to all concerned. New faces, a fresh start. Bring it on

Deskjockey · 17-09-2018 11:37PM

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Best to luck to all concerned. New faces, a fresh start. Bring it on

100%

They have my full support, and my hope is that they get the bit of luck that you need when managing teams

PTH2009 · 18-09-2018 12:12AM

Success won't come instantly and prob been in 1B is the right place. A loss to Laois or Carlow will not be acceptable. Remember Derek's first year in charge was a disaster. Hurling is gone so dog eat dog atm esp the Munster championship and the championship structure/calender and this is the so called golden generation of hurlers in Waterford but there's also golden generations in other county's at this time

The sad thing is some players will walk away as they prob don't feel the best management team is in place. It's fairly annoying knowing that Fanning and co are only 3rd choice and there was very good candidates approached but the CB made them turn away. We just have to get on with it and see where it takes us, hopefully up the steps of the Hogan

Mastermcgrath · 18-09-2018 12:18AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Success won't come instantly and prob been in 1B is the right place. A loss to Laois or Carlow will not be acceptable. Remember Derek's first year in charge was a disaster. Hurling is gone so dog eat dog atm esp the Munster championship and the championship structure/calender and this is the so called golden generation of hurlers in Waterford but there's also golden generations in other county's at this time

The sad thing is some players will walk away as they prob don't feel the best management team is in place. It's fairly annoying knowing that Fanning and co are only 3rd choice and there was very good candidates approached but the CB made them turn away. We just have to get on with it and see where it takes us, hopefully up the steps of the Hogan

Utter rubbish. How do you know the reasons Kenny and Ryan didn’t take the job. Did you ask them personally?

As for players supposedly going to walk away because they don’t agree with the new management team, shame on them. Wearing the county jersey is a privelage not a right.

Therustynail · 18-09-2018 02:27AM

Good luck to the new management. Will be an interested spectator at the club games at the weekend.

hurler on de ditch · 18-09-2018 06:14AM

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

PTH2009 wrote: »

Success won't come instantly and prob been in 1B is the right place. A loss to Laois or Carlow will not be acceptable. Remember Derek's first year in charge was a disaster. Hurling is gone so dog eat dog atm esp the Munster championship and the championship structure/calender and this is the so called golden generation of hurlers in Waterford but there's also golden generations in other county's at this time

The sad thing is some players will walk away as they prob don't feel the best management team is in place. It's fairly annoying knowing that Fanning and co are only 3rd choice and there was very good candidates approached but the CB made them turn away. We just have to get on with it and see where it takes us, hopefully up the steps of the Hogan

Utter rubbish. How do you know the reasons Kenny and Ryan didn’t take the job. Did you ask them personally?

As for players supposedly going to walk away because they don’t agree with the new management team, shame on them. Wearing the county jersey is a privelage not a right.

Plus "Derek,s first year in the job was a disaster" tell me how successful were the rest ?

blueflame · 18-09-2018 08:31AM

So after months of speculation and Comedy shows it is official - The New Management have a tough job ahead of them but they have a serious panel to work with. Derek had his methods and that appears to have involved being very close (to certain players at least) and in some cases in my opinion too close, to be truly objective, but he also won an awful lot of loyalty in adopting this approach. New Management has to decide where or not to adopt or break this approach, either way being fraught with the possibility of getting it badly wrong.

Nor sure if Paraic Fanning has the demeanor or temperament to deal with this transfer , especially from early reports but the best of luck to him. He has at this stage had plenty of experience of being around county panels, and i hope he has learned from past experiences such as his dealings with the Eoin Kelly situation , in fairness to him he was a lot younger at that time and was being greatly influenced by more Senior figures at the time.

Derek spoke frequently about making memories, to my mind there is no greater memory for a Senior hurler than success in an All Ireland Final and players must believe that also - forget about holidays etc.., these things will come with success.

I am really interested in his Selector panel, Pa Kearney being a very interesting choice. He should bring a very young dynamic to it, and I think also the fact that his promising career was cut short in such dramatic fashion could serve as an inspiration to this panel to "seize the moment"

James Murray always comes across to me as a very grounded and intelligent individual and could just be the perfect foil for what appears to be Fanning's more abrasive character. Maybe those that know him better might have a different opinion

They were not my first choice by a long-shot but now that they are in situ, I am intrigued with how things will develop and they have my full support. - Best of Luck to them

Deisefacts · 18-09-2018 09:14AM

blueflame wrote: »

So after months of speculation and Comedy shows it is official - The New Management have a tough job ahead of them but they have a serious panel to work with. Derek had his methods and that appears to have involved being very close (to certain players at least) and in some cases in my opinion too close, to be truly objective, but he also won an awful lot of loyalty in adopting this approach. New Management has to decide where or not to adopt or break this approach, either way being fraught with the possibility of getting it badly wrong.

Nor sure if Paraic Fanning has the demeanor or temperament to deal with this transfer , especially from early reports but the best of luck to him. He has at this stage had plenty of experience of being around county panels, and i hope he has learned from past experiences such as his dealings with the Eoin Kelly situation , in fairness to him he was a lot younger at that time and was being greatly influenced by more Senior figures at the time.

Derek spoke frequently about making memories, to my mind there is no greater memory for a Senior hurler than success in an All Ireland Final and players must believe that also - forget about holidays etc.., these things will come with success.

I am really interested in his Selector panel, Pa Kearney being a very interesting choice. He should bring a very young dynamic to it, and I think also the fact that his promising career was cut short in such dramatic fashion could serve as an inspiration to this panel to "seize the moment"

James Murray always comes across to me as a very grounded and intelligent individual and could just be the perfect foil for what appears to be Fanning's more abrasive character. Maybe those that know him better might have a different opinion

They were not my first choice by a long-shot but now that they are in situ, I am intrigued with how things will develop and they have my full support. - Best of Luck to them

Best assessment of seen so far

Xenophile · 18-09-2018 10:05AM

Dan Shanahan will be missed.

deiseach · 18-09-2018 10:31AM

"Do you think they made the seats small enough?" - James Murray, overheard in Páirc Uí Ceausescu.

I like him.

big_drive · 18-09-2018 10:38AM

Xenophile wrote: »

Dan Shanahan will be missed.

Really or humour?

jimbobbubbly · 18-09-2018 11:49AM

A lot of players from the so called 'players committee' are extremely unhappy about the appointment and apparently 8/9 players talking about retirement/year out. I find that disgraceful to be honest. If Derek was still there they would all be mad to get back training. Mastermcgrath nail on the head it should be a privilege not a right.

greenspurs · 18-09-2018 12:05PM

I think its time for a "Secret Hurler " ......

Mastermcgrath · 18-09-2018 12:47PM

jimbobbubbly wrote: »

A lot of players from the so called 'players committee' are extremely unhappy about the appointment and apparently 8/9 players talking about retirement/year out. I find that disgraceful to be honest. If Derek was still there they would all be mad to get back training. Mastermcgrath nail on the head it should be a privilege not a right.

A year out? Shur they just had one.... gone out of the championship since mid June there should be no excuses. Barring Brick Walsh who has earned his retirement, it will be very poor taste if any of these players come out now and announce retirement in light of this appointment.

thesaturdayman · 18-09-2018 12:54PM

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

A year out? Shur they just had one.... gone out of the championship since mid June there should be no excuses. Barring Brick Walsh who has earned his retirement, it will be very poor taste if any of these players come out now and announce retirement in light of this appointment.

its all ifs buts and maybes.

But if they aren't happy, the question has to be asked why aren't they happy?

and its back on the good old CB again.

Shane Bennett took "time out" as did Tom Devine. Were they pillered in the way its being suggested on here if others did the same?

PTH2009 · 18-09-2018 02:17PM

christ that would be a disaster esp if there high profile players

If its 1 or 2 conspiring than i dont knw what to think

IMO Fanning should of meet the players and discuseed things but then again maybe he has his own plans

whiteandblue · 18-09-2018 02:29PM

jimbobbubbly wrote: »

A lot of players from the so called 'players committee' are extremely unhappy about the appointment and apparently 8/9 players talking about retirement/year out. I find that disgraceful to be honest. If Derek was still there they would all be mad to get back training. Mastermcgrath nail on the head it should be a privilege not a right.

We are some county to start rumours! The man isn't even in the job 24 hours and we have it that 8/9 players are taking time off and retiring! Pure and utter lies!

Give the men a chance and let them start totally fresh! As far as any new manager and backroom team are concerned, their first job is to pick a panel which hasn't even been picked and people are saying players are ruling themselves out, it's just ridiculous!

It's unfair on the new management and puts negative vibes out to supporters about them and it's unfair on potential players who the rumours are about! Just let the man settle into his position instead of starting all the BS rumours!

I want to wish both the hurling and football management the best for the years ahead. It won't be a one year project for either as seen with Michéal Donoghue and John Kiely but hopefully we will see an All-Ireland within Fanning's tenure and a promotion to Division 3 for the footballers in the upcoming years!

Fred C Dobbs · 18-09-2018 03:08PM

I don’t know much about the new manager, other than what I read about him (which isn’t an awful lot really).

He is described as ‘abrasive’ in one post ; is that code for a boll***s or does it mean he’s his own man.

You couldn’t say that Cody and Loughnane are not abrasive and it hasn’t done those counties any harm.

hardybuck · 18-09-2018 03:16PM

Let's be clear on one thing - there will absolutely be a turnover of players this year, as there is most years.

Any player who wants to drop off the panel should be thanked for their service to the county. There is a huge physical, emotional, financial and time commitment made by every player and their families in order for them to tog out for the county team. If they decide to take a step back, either temporary or permanent, we should absolutely accept that.

There will also be lads who, for whatever reason, aren't selected on the panel for 2019. This will be the decision of the management team, who ultimately know far more regarding that decision than anybody outside of the camp.

Waterford supporters should expect inevitable changes that come with a new management and be patient during the league. As another poster pointed out, Derek McGrath's first year was very challenging.

puzl · 18-09-2018 05:30PM

Yes I agree with hardbuck. If players choose to step down, for whatever reason, who are we to judge. The committment is absolutely immense and any given individual must be able to set their own terms for such an endeavour.

Let us just hope that these are just rumours and not too many will choose to go that route, but if they do, then I for one will thank them for their service to our county and not say a bad word about any of them.

I also don't think it is a privilege to play for Waterford. That is far too simplistic. These guys have to put so much on hold to reach the standards required. Personal lives, careers, opportunities to travel, missing out on all of the various aspects of a carefree young lad. All of these are put on hold to compete at the pinnacle of hurling. So it is a two way street. We are priviliged to have their service, as they no doubt feel privileged to wear the jersey

Edgware · 18-09-2018 06:28PM

blueflame wrote: »

So after months of speculation and Comedy shows it is official - The New Management have a tough job ahead of them but they have a serious panel to work with. Derek had his methods and that appears to have involved being very close (to certain players at least) and in some cases in my opinion too close, to be truly objective, but he also won an awful lot of loyalty in adopting this approach. New Management has to decide where or not to adopt or break this approach, either way being fraught with the possibility of getting it badly wrong.

Nor sure if Paraic Fanning has the demeanor or temperament to deal with this transfer , especially from early reports but the best of luck to him. He has at this stage had plenty of experience of being around county panels, and i hope he has learned from past experiences such as his dealings with the Eoin Kelly situation , in fairness to him he was a lot younger at that time and was being greatly influenced by more Senior figures at the time.

Derek spoke frequently about making memories, to my mind there is no greater memory for a Senior hurler than success in an All Ireland Final and players must believe that also - forget about holidays etc.., these things will come with success.

I am really interested in his Selector panel, Pa Kearney being a very interesting choice. He should bring a very young dynamic to it, and I think also the fact that his promising career was cut short in such dramatic fashion could serve as an inspiration to this panel to "seize the moment"

James Murray always comes across to me as a very grounded and intelligent individual and could just be the perfect foil for what appears to be Fanning's more abrasive character. Maybe those that know him better might have a different opinion

They were not my first choice by a long-shot but now that they are in situ, I am intrigued with how things will develop and they have my full support. - Best of Luck to them

They wouldnt have been first choice for a lot of people especially considering the number of high profile ex players around. I do hope the squad rallies behind them and give them a chance because there was no progress this year after an All Ireland final appearance the year before. Not blaming Derek and Dan etc because a lot went against them with injuries, no home games etc. But after Limerick this year Waterford must make the breakthrough

Edgware · 18-09-2018 06:33PM

puzl wrote: »

Yes I agree with hardbuck. If players choose to step down, for whatever reason, who are we to judge. The committment is absolutely immense and any given individual must be able to set their own terms for such an endeavour.

Let us just hope that these are just rumours and not too many will choose to go that route, but if they do, then I for one will thank them for their service to our county and not say a bad word about any of them.

I also don't think it is a privilege to play for Waterford. That is far too simplistic. These guys have to put so much on hold to reach the standards required. Personal lives, careers, opportunities to travel, missing out on all of the various aspects of a carefree young lad. All of these are put on hold to compete at the pinnacle of hurling. So it is a two way street. We are priviliged to have their service, as they no doubt feel privileged to wear the jersey

I know players put a lot on hold but it is not a one way system. I am very familiar with a county player who has got an awful lot out of the game, success in competitions, travel to Dubai, U.S.A. Far East Australia etc as part of team holidays, All Stars, a media profile at local and national level which is financially rewarding. He deserves it for the work put in and would do it all again despite the commitment required and a few nasty injuries.

Motivator · 18-09-2018 07:06PM

Best of luck to the new management team. Obviously they were far from the first choice for the job but they’re there now and deserve nothing but support from players, the county board and supporters.

The new appointment will bring added attention to the county in 2019 and playing in 1B will be a blessing I think. Hopefully the lads chalk up a few wins and confidence starts to build. It doesn’t matter what level the opposition are at. Winning games brings confidence to the whole set up and nothing can top winning a competitive game whether it’s at u10, minor or senior level. Fanning will know he has to prove a point and knowing the way he is he’ll give it everything. I’m delighted the job has gone to a Waterford man, a man who knows what it’s like to play for the county and his success with Mt Sion as a player can’t be forgotten as success adds something to a player/manager. I’m relieved all the rumours and the talking have finally been put to bed and now the management team have plenty of time to get themselves sorted out in terms of picking a panel, getting their game plan together and most importantly setting out their ambitions for the coming year. Whatever way we look at it, there’s plenty to look forward to in the new year and beyond.

Xenophile · 18-09-2018 07:14PM

Edgware wrote: »

I know players put a lot on hold but it is not a one way system. I am very familiar with a county player who has got an awful lot out of the game, success in competitions, travel to Dubai, U.S.A. Far East Australia etc as part of team holidays, All Stars, a media profile at local and national level which is financially rewarding. He deserves it for the work put in and would do it all again despite the commitment required and a few nasty injuries.

Glad you put up this post.

Nobody who thinks that they are making a sacrifice should be on the field.

We always chose our best option.

puzl · 18-09-2018 08:51PM

Xenophile wrote: »

We always chose our best option.

This is the point though. Should they choose to step aside, for whatever reason, we should accept it and wish them the best of luck.

Should they choose to stay on, if asked to do so, we should support them like we always do.

Deise Gael · 18-09-2018 08:59PM

Xenophile wrote: »

Glad you put up this post.

Nobody who thinks that they are making a sacrifice should be on the field.

We always chose our best option.

So right!

Imagine any hurler from Cork, Tipp, Kilkenny Galway etc trying to take over the team!

For God's sake, it should be an honour to wear the Waterford jersey!

If any of the former pets have an issue let them walk or else fight for their place which at least six of them never had to in the last five years.

We all know the guys who are making the noise, are they Waterford guys or just McGrath guys?

Hopefully now we'll have a management team who picks the best team!

Good luck to the three of them. If they're straight that's all we want!

Motivator · 19-09-2018 01:00AM

Deise Gael wrote: »

Xenophile wrote: »

Glad you put up this post.

Nobody who thinks that they are making a sacrifice should be on the field.

We always chose our best option.

So right!

Imagine any hurler from Cork, Tipp, Kilkenny Galway etc trying to take over the team!

For God's sake, it should be an honour to wear the Waterford jersey!

If any of the former pets have an issue let them walk or else fight for their place which at least six of them never had to in the last five years.

We all know the guys who are making the noise, are they Waterford guys or just McGrath guys?

Hopefully now we'll have a management team who picks the best team!

Good luck to the three of them. If they're straight that's all we want!

I’m sorry but are you forgetting that Cork went on strike twice and effectively held their Co Board to ransom..twice

Mulbert · 19-09-2018 06:13AM

Motivator wrote: »

Deise Gael wrote: »

Xenophile wrote: »

Glad you put up this post.

Nobody who thinks that they are making a sacrifice should be on the field.

We always chose our best option.

So right!

Imagine any hurler from Cork, Tipp, Kilkenny Galway etc trying to take over the team!

For God's sake, it should be an honour to wear the Waterford jersey!

If any of the former pets have an issue let them walk or else fight for their place which at least six of them never had to in the last five years.

We all know the guys who are making the noise, are they Waterford guys or just McGrath guys?

Hopefully now we'll have a management team who picks the best team!

Good luck to the three of them. If they're straight that's all we want!

I’m sorry but are you forgetting that Cork went on strike twice and effectively held their Co Board to ransom..twice

Don't forget the Galway lads ran Cunningham!

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