Serena's meltdown

Bob Harris · 09-09-2018 03:41PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Why would she apologize if she didn’t receive any coaching in her mind? Why would she apologize for sticking up for her integrity and honour when that was directly questioned and punished by an umpire in front of the world?

Unfortunately it was the integrity and honour of her coach she paid a price for.
You seem to be wilfully ignoring this key element.

Ironically in the end by declaring herself a crusader for women's rights she showed a distinct lack of integrity and honour herself by deflecting away from the matter at hand.

DrWu · 09-09-2018 03:41PM

Williams and Billie Jean King are just wrong.

McEnroe got defaulted by Umpire Gerry Armstrong at the Australian Open and received numerous fines.

Shapovalov got defaulted last year for accidentally hitting a ball at the Umpire. He was very apologetic but the rules are the rules.

Last year Benoit Paire also got a game penalty and a hefty fine.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-09-2018 03:42PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Why would she apologize if she didn’t receive any coaching in her mind? Why would she apologize for sticking up for her integrity and honour when that was directly questioned and punished by an umpire in front of the world?

If I, in good faith, called someone a thief and was ultimately proven wrong, I'd feel the need to apologise.

JJayoo · 09-09-2018 03:42PM

Thought it was a pathetic display

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 03:43PM

Bob Harris wrote: »

Unfortunately it was the integrity and honour of her coach she paid a price for.
You seem to be wilfully ignoring this key element.

Ironically in the end by declaring herself a crusader for women's rights she showed a distinct lack of integrity and honour herself by deflecting away from the matter at hand.

You’ve dropped the race card at least, that was a weird detour you took in your last post. Told a lot about you though.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-09-2018 03:43PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Her getting falsely punished and accused of receiving coaching when she didn’t receive any.

Her getting punished for a rant which many men have gotten away with worse, which was a direct result of the false allegation.

One, she was proven wrong - COACH ADMITTED COACHING. And if she didnt; see it, how does she know it didn't happen?
Two, the voilation was totally warranted.

What you're ultimately asking is for umpires to not uphold the rules of the game.

alan partridge aha · 09-09-2018 03:43PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Her getting falsely punished and accused of receiving coaching when she didn’t receive any.

Her getting punished for a rant which many men have gotten away with worse, which was a direct result of the false allegation.

So do you believe the umpire is a liar and a thief?

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 03:44PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

If I, in good faith, called someone a thief and was ultimately proven wrong, I'd feel the need to apologise.

If I in good faith accused someone of cheating, and could not prove that, I’d apologize until I had proof.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-09-2018 03:45PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

If I in good faith accused someone of cheating, and could not prove that, I’d apologize until I had proof.

He never acused her of cheating. He accused the coach of coaching, whcih is still a vilation, whether she sees it or not.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 03:45PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

One, she was proven wrong - COACH ADMITTED COACHING. And if she didnt; see it, how does she know it didn't happen?
Two, the voilation was totally warranted.

What you're ultimately asking is for umpires to not uphold the rules of the game.

Coach made mistake not her. She didn’t see it so by the laws of the game she should not have been punished

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 03:45PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

He never acused her of cheating. He accused the coach of coaching, whcih is still a vilation.

It’s not

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 03:47PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

So do you believe the umpire is a liar and a thief?

There’s as much chance of him being a liar and a thief as there is of her being a liar and a cheat.

He cast the first stone.

She defended herself.

If someone falsely accuses me of something, you’re damn right I’m gonna defend myself all guns blazing.

chicorytip · 09-09-2018 03:53PM

Bob Harris wrote:

Ironically in the end by declaring herself a crusader for women's rights she showed a distinct lack of integrity and honour herself by deflecting away from the matter at hand.

Bob Harris wrote:

Unfortunately it was the integrity and honour of her coach she paid a price for. You seem to be wilfully ignoring this key element.

These are diversionary tactics she is employing to distract her opponent. She is very old to still be playing and her body is failing her. Her opponents are, in some cases, less than half her age. Mc Enroe employed similar tactics in his time. The tantrums always occurred, notably, when he was losing matches and were a deliberate ploy to interrupt play and cause his opponent to lose focus. It was a tactic that usually seemed to work in his favour, regrettably.

Bob Harris · 09-09-2018 03:55PM

chicorytip wrote: »

These are diversionary tactics she is employing to distract her opponent. She is very old to still be playing and her body is failing her. Her opponents are, in some cases, less than half her age. Mc Enroe employed similar tactics in his time. The tantrums always occurred, notably, when he was losing matches and were a deliberate ploy to interrupt play and cause his opponent to lose focus. It was a tactic that usually seemed to work in his favour, regrettably.

No doubt about it. Win and she equalled the record for Grand Slams. A lot on the line and when things began to slip away she resorted to a baseless rant about sexism.

alan partridge aha · 09-09-2018 03:55PM

So if coach gives hand signals, umpire cops it he must then ask player did you see them.

Bob Harris · 09-09-2018 03:57PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

So if coach gives hand signals, umpire cops it he must then ask player did you see them.

And like Arsene Wenger did for years they'll say 'no'.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-09-2018 03:57PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

It’s not

It most certainly is. Page 343
http://wtafiles.wtatennis.com/pdf/publications/2018WTARulebook.pdf

On-court coaches shall only provide advice during the on-court
coaching period and are not permitted to bring any articles (i.e.,
food, drinks, tennis equipment, or medical supplies) onto the court
to provide to their player(s), unless any such articles have been seen
and approved by the Chair Umpire. Notes and official WTA authorized
electronic devices may be brought onto the court but may not
be left with the player.
g. On-court coaches must leave the court immediately upon the Chair
Umpire announcing “Time”.
h. On-court coaches may not provide coaching or communicate with a
player outside of the court.

manual_man · 09-09-2018 03:58PM

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

No.. no its not. If she believes that an injustice was carried out that she should be listened to. The amount of sexism and racism in this thread sickens me to my stomach. Im old enough to remember John McEnroe and how he was lauded for throwing temper tantrums

McEnroe was regularly disciplined for his outburts. The exact same should happen to Serena Williams. She has effectively brought the sport in to disrepute with horrible behavior and horrible accusations. The tennis authority should throw the book at her, and to hell with her if - which is likely - she tries to use manufactured victimhood as some kind of defense.

Bob Harris · 09-09-2018 03:58PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

You’ve dropped the race card at least, that was a weird detour you took in your last post. Told a lot about you though.

I do believe she's black. Look again and tell me what you think.

Signore Fancy Pants · 09-09-2018 04:00PM

Roids sure do make people emotional.

The Talking Bread · 09-09-2018 04:03PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

There’s as much chance of him being a liar and a thief as there is of her being a liar and a cheat.

He cast the first stone.

She defended herself.

If someone falsely accuses me of something, you’re damn right I’m gonna defend myself all guns blazing.

What did he accuse her of......................

He penalised her because her coach "coached her". Something he admitted. It matters not one iota, under the letter of the law if she claims she didn't see him, in fact it doesn't matter if she didn't see him at all.

She bares the penalty for her coaches actions. Them's the rules. You seem to be very ignorant to this rule.

For someone who has continuosly blabbed on about your knowledge of the game, I am surprised you can't get your head around the "coaching" rule.

alan partridge aha · 09-09-2018 04:05PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

What did he accuse her of......................

He penalised her because her coach "coached her". Something he admitted. It matters not one iota, under the letter of the law if she claims she didn't see him, in fact it doesn't matter if she didn't see him at all.

She bares the penalty for her coaches actions. Them's the rules. You seem to be very ignorant to this rule.

Well if that's the rule, the defence of Serena's actions is idiotic.

The Talking Bread · 09-09-2018 04:08PM

Over to you JP81

https://twitter.com/ringsau/status/1038626993137377280

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 04:12PM

Bob Harris wrote: »

I do believe she's black. Look again and tell me what you think.

Not sure why you felt the need to bring her skin colour into the debate though.....

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 04:13PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Over to you JP81

https://twitter.com/ringsau/status/1038626993137377280

Thanks, that video says it all really. Hilarious how someone can get penalized for that!!

alan partridge aha · 09-09-2018 04:13PM

Coach nods his head at the end which would appear that the communication was received.

Bob Harris · 09-09-2018 04:17PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Coach nods his head at the end which would appear that the communication was received.

I wouldn't have a clue what that meant but Serena clearly did despite denying any arranged signals being discussed. Bit of smoke coming off her pants I think.
Be engulfed in flames soon.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 04:18PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Coach nods his head at the end which would appear that the communication was received.

When he scratches is chin that means “work on her backhand”

And then later he scratches his balls which means “they’re on to us”

Rubberchikken · 09-09-2018 04:19PM

Painful woman.
Youd think she was the only female to ever give birth. The only female in sports to ever give birth. The only female who should ever win a women's grand slam.

Her appallingly petty unprofessional bad-loser outbursts drew attention away from the winner.

Shes badly behaved. A bloody diva. Not all that talented. And boring to boot.

And plating the sexist card is tooo painful for words.
This woman needs to go away.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 04:19PM

Bob Harris wrote: »

I wouldn't have a clue what that meant but Serena clearly did despite denying any arranged signals being discussed. Bit of smoke coming off her pants I think.
Be engulfed in flames soon.

And tell me again, what colour is her skin?

Serena's meltdown

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