Why is Dublin such a popular destination for Brazilians?

imme · 05-09-2018 07:52PM

jay0109 wrote: »

Perhaps this is why Ireland is such a popular location for those coming here to 'study'

http://www.thejournal.ie/student-scheme-4219231-Sep2018/

We have no immigration policy in this country except that of effectively an open border.

Ireland is remiss in setting up these schemes, they don't benefit anyone in Ireland other than providing slave labour, pizza delivery staff, rickshaw drivers.

People don't go home, they stay in Ireland.
At a time of housing pressures it is hard to believe that Ireland still has these schemes up and running.

Who financed the supreme court case???

thebull85 · 05-09-2018 07:55PM

seamus wrote: »

My understanding is that the Brazilians have a really good communications chain, very similar to the Irish and Italians in New York during the 1800s/1900s.

When someone arrives fresh from Brazilia, they'll already have the name and contact details of someone who will then hook them up and introduce them the to the wider Brazilian community. Thus they seem to pop up in "clusters", with loads of them moving into a single area at the one time.

Other nationalities who maybe aren't quite so far from home or highly-skilled workers, will move to Ireland without needing to connect to a community for assistance on the ground. So they won't "cluster" quite so much.

Same reason Nigerians, Chinese and similar "far from home" ethnic groups appear in clusters.

Yeah and add to this when one leaves an apartment another one of their compatriots is there straight away to take there place.

Landlords are scum, Irish people have no chance in the current rental market.

Das Reich · 05-09-2018 07:59PM

Brazilian here. Actually the places in Ireland full of Brazilians are not near Dublin. Gort, Kilbeggan, Ballyjamesduff, Roscommon, Ennis, Newcastle West, Carlow, these are the towns where Brazilians live. They arrived in 1999 after being collected with working visa in a meat factory in a city called Anapolis, to work on meat factories in Ireland. The number increased till 2008 when many of them returned home, and started to increase since then.

Das Reich · 05-09-2018 08:04PM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Yeah Perú and Colombia as well by all accounts. On a side note I think South American women age pretty poorly (wealthy ones and actresses the exceptions) in comparison to European women.

Brazilian women are very ugly and most of them very americanized, no Brazilian man fancy on marry some of them. Those countries you mentioned around Brazil are even much worse, in Peru they are very short and fat, they look like under counter fridge, they have almost no mediterranean people there, people are amerindian. I lived few months in Peru and feel like a giant. After returning to Brazil I did find any woman beautiful.

Dr Turk Turkelton · 05-09-2018 08:28PM

Das Reich wrote: »

Brazilian women are very ugly and most of them very americanized, no Brazilian man fancy on marry some of them. Those countries you mentioned around Brazil are even much worse, in Peru they are very short and fat, they look like under counter fridge, they have almost no mediterranean people there, people are amerindian. I lived few months in Peru and feel like a giant. After returning to Brazil I did find any woman beautiful.

Under counter fridge- your my new favourite poster!
I do tend to agree with you though having lived in New York, the Ecuadorian women were the same and a lot of the Mexican women as well.

Kivaro · 05-09-2018 08:31PM

imme wrote: »

Ireland is remiss in setting up these schemes, they don't benefit anyone in Ireland other than providing slave labour, pizza delivery staff, rickshaw drivers.

People don't go home, they stay in Ireland.
At a time of housing pressures it is hard to believe that Ireland still has these schemes up and running.

Who financed the supreme court case???

One could guess that the The Immigrant Council of Ireland was involved; especially after listening to their glee on radio today discussing the court case outcome.

If you think about the approximate 5,000 who could now stay in Ireland and get welfare after this court case, it is shocking when you think how this number will increase drastically with the reunification scheme that the Government ridiculously approved.
Don't forget that welfare is not just dole; it is children's allowance, medical cards, free housing, and the magical welfare list goes on and on.

Das Reich · 05-09-2018 08:36PM

imme wrote: »

Ireland is remiss in setting up these schemes, they don't benefit anyone in Ireland other than providing slave labour, pizza delivery staff, rickshaw drivers.

People don't go home, they stay in Ireland.
At a time of housing pressures it is hard to believe that Ireland still has these schemes up and running.

Who financed the supreme court case???

No I have a question for Irish for any other European.

I am not saying immigration is good, I am even against it, but why they complain about south americans or chinese, most of them work and are not muslim, and at the same time they not only open the doors to gypsies and muslims but they go to their countries to bring them here. It sounds a paradox, I see the same in UK, they talk about Polish and yet they country is filled with people that have only one thing in mind, convert Europe to islam. As Polish people are white and catholic, then can be blamed without been called a racist, I did read a comment below about how Brazil is homophobic, really? In Brazil gay marriage was allowded in 2013 even before than Ireland.

Why Irish, English and other Europeans, they feel free to bash Chinese, Eastern European and some other non muslim nationalities, but when it comes to talk about muslims they all get affraid? I would like to hear.

evolving_doors · 05-09-2018 08:58PM

Brazillians of what?

irishguitarlad · 05-09-2018 09:18PM

Das Reich wrote: »

Brazilian women are very ugly and most of them very americanized, no Brazilian man fancy on marry some of them. Those countries you mentioned around Brazil are even much worse, in Peru they are very short and fat, they look like under counter fridge, they have almost no mediterranean people there, people are amerindian. I lived few months in Peru and feel like a giant. After returning to Brazil I did find any woman beautiful.

I meant that the Venezuelans are ending up in Perú and Colombia as well, not just Brazil.

fly_agaric · 05-09-2018 09:30PM

Das Reich wrote: »

No I have a question for Irish for any other European.

I am not saying immigration is good, I am even against it, but why they complain about south americans or chinese, most of them work and are not muslim, and at the same time they not only open the doors to gypsies and muslims but they go to their countries to bring them here.
It sounds a paradox, I see the same in UK, they talk about Polish and yet they country is filled with people that have only one thing in mind, convert Europe to islam. As Polish people are white and catholic, then can be blamed without been called a racist, I did read a comment below about how Brazil is homophobic, really? In Brazil gay marriage was allowded in 2013 even before than Ireland.

Why Irish, English and other Europeans, they feel free to bash Chinese, Eastern European and some other non muslim nationalities, but when it comes to talk about muslims they all get affraid? I would like to hear.

I don't know if I'd agree with including Ireland along with UK or most other countries in Europe. I don't think many people "feel free to bash" any group of immigrants. There doesn't seem to be much complaining either.
There has been very high immigration here for most of the past 20 years now, none of the main political parties are questioning it/calling for a clamp down & there is no far right party pushing the issue. Some people definitely do think it is too high (and will comment on likes of this thread), but its obviously something the public is not highly concerned about and its not something they will vote on as a single issue.
Otherwise there would be Irish versions of parties like the [pretty much] single-issue ones getting support across the EU (UKIP, AfD etc) and as yet we don't have these.

As regards "gypsies" one thing that has to be noted is they are different to S. American & Chinese immigrants as they are Europeans from EU member states and fully entitled to avail of EU freedom of movement.

Muslims (in the UK) may cause a lot of problems (compared to Polish or S. American or Chinese immigrants) but the muslims there are not "immigrants" any more. I mean most of them would be 2nd or 3rd generation at this point...
Part of it might also be issue of being cast as a racist when expressing anti-immigrant sentiments towards muslims. Another factor IMO is the UKs anti-EU attitudes - they consider the arrival of the Polish/Eastern Europeans as an imposition from the EU (freedom of movement) while in a sense the muslims were "their" immigrants brought in from the former Empire. Another issue of course is that, as I said, muslims themselves are well settled in the UK. Some of them might not exactly be happy about an influx of new immigrants & consider them taking potential visa spots + jobs from extended family members. I think that was played on during the Brexit referendum in some areas.

fash · 05-09-2018 09:31PM

Das Reich wrote: »

No I have a question for Irish for any other European.

I am not saying immigration is good, I am even against it, but why they complain about south americans or chinese, most of them work and are not muslim, and at the same time they not only open the doors to gypsies and muslims but they go to their countries to bring them here. It sounds a paradox, I see the same in UK, they talk about Polish and yet they country is filled with people that have only one thing in mind, convert Europe to islam. As Polish people are white and catholic, then can be blamed without been called a racist, I did read a comment below about how Brazil is homophobic, really? In Brazil gay marriage was allowded in 2013 even before than Ireland.

Why Irish, English and other Europeans, they feel free to bash Chinese, Eastern European and some other non muslim nationalities, but when it comes to talk about muslims they all get affraid? I would like to hear.

I don't know either and I'm Irish - you would think that Europe would make it very easy for south Americans to come considering the similar culture.

imme · 05-09-2018 09:42PM

Das Reich wrote: »

No I have a question for Irish for any other European.

I am not saying immigration is good, I am even against it, but why they complain about south americans or chinese, most of them work and are not muslim, and at the same time they not only open the doors to gypsies and muslims but they go to their countries to bring them here. It sounds a paradox, I see the same in UK, they talk about Polish and yet they country is filled with people that have only one thing in mind, convert Europe to islam. As Polish people are white and catholic, then can be blamed without been called a racist, I did read a comment below about how Brazil is homophobic, really? In Brazil gay marriage was allowded in 2013 even before than Ireland.

Why Irish, English and other Europeans, they feel free to bash Chinese, Eastern European and some other non muslim nationalities, but when it comes to talk about muslims they all get affraid? I would like to hear.

You mustn't be reading Boards if you haven't seen anti-islamic postings!

What we have with south American people in Ireland is people coming to learn English, they can already speak English, so it is a fake.

People who come to Ireland under this scheme are using it to move to Ireland.
That is how I see it.

I don't think it is a good policy.

We are doing the same now with people from India.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 05-09-2018 09:47PM

jace_da_face wrote: »

Aren't they all in Brazil now?

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Yeah Perú and Colombia as well by all accounts. On a side note I think South American women age pretty poorly (wealthy ones and actresses the exceptions) in comparison to European women.

Colombia is packed with Venezuelans now and there has been a massive rise in xenophobia.

Galwayguy35 · 05-09-2018 09:53PM

Quite a few of them in Gort, they used to have a parade every year.

Fine looking women and they are hard workers as well.

Pixel Eater · 06-09-2018 11:22AM

I know a few Brazilians and they all seem to now have Italian citizenship and thus EU citizens and free to travel and live where they like within the Europe. If they can prove they have Italian ancestry they go to live in Italy for literally 3 or 4 months then are given Italian passports! I can see why the Italian government would do this, their population is aging and falling, but you'd think they would be a bit more stringent, maybe make them stay 2 or 3 years at least!

Ireland's immigration policies may seem a little lax but Italy's seem utterly ludicrous!

Das Reich · 06-09-2018 12:18PM

Pixel Eater wrote: »

I know a few Brazilians and they all seem to now have Italian citizenship and thus EU citizens and free to travel and live where they like within the Europe. If they can prove they have Italian ancestry they go to live in Italy for literally 3 or 4 months then are given Italian passports! I can see why the Italian government would do this, their population is aging and falling, but you'd think they would be a bit more stringent, maybe make them stay 2 or 3 years at least!

No. Some of my ancestrors moved to Brazil after the earthquake of 1908 in Reggio Calabria. Why Italy should refuse to give me citizenship if I have Italian dna? I am more Italian than any foreigner born in Italy, why they should have citizenship and me not? It was Brazil that helped to give home of all those Europeans, the minimum Europe should do is give them citizenship of they can prove to have European origin. And talking about my region, virtually everyone have at least an Italian great grand parent.

Ireland's immigration policies may seem a little lax but Italy's seem utterly ludicrous!

You must be joking I know so many people that doesn't have any Irish ancestry and got Irish passport, many Brazilians with no English, they could barely answer "how are you". To get Irish passport you just need to born here or be here for few years.

ohnonotgmail · 06-09-2018 12:31PM

Das Reich wrote: »

No. Some of my ancestrors moved to Brazil after the earthquake of 1908 in Reggio Calabria. Why Italy should refuse to give me citizenship if I have Italian dna? I am more Italian than any foreigner born in Italy, why they should have citizenship and me not? It was Brazil that helped to give home of all those Europeans, the minimum Europe should do is give them citizenship of they can prove to have European origin. And talking about my region, virtually everyone have at least an Italian great grand parent.

You must be joking I know so many people that doesn't have any Irish ancestry and got Irish passport, many Brazilians with no English, they could barely answer "how are you". To get Irish passport you just need to born here or be here for few years.

I could get an italian passport if i lived in italy for 4 years. I have zero italian blood in me. Somebody from outside the EU can get it after 10 years residency in Italy. Which is pretty much the same rule as we have in ireland.

Pixel Eater · 06-09-2018 12:35PM

Das Reich wrote: »

No. Some of my ancestrors moved to Brazil after the earthquake of 1908 in Reggio Calabria. Why Italy should refuse to give me citizenship if I have Italian dna? I am more Italian than any foreigner born in Italy, why they should have citizenship and me not? It was Brazil that helped to give home of all those Europeans, the minimum Europe should do is give them citizenship of they can prove to have European origin. And talking about my region, virtually everyone have at least an Italian great grand parent.

Rein it in there. I didn't say Italy shouldn't do it - I explicitly said I understood the reason for them doing it - it just seems ludicrous lax in giving out their passports, especially since many leave as soon as they get their citizenship thus not benefiting Italy in the long term.

And Europe has many nations; you may argue Italy has an obligation to their diaspora but all of Europe doesn't.

Pixel Eater · 06-09-2018 12:39PM

Das Reich wrote: »

You must be joking I know so many people that doesn't have any Irish ancestry and got Irish passport, many Brazilians with no English, they could barely answer "how are you". To get Irish passport you just need to born here or be here for few years.

Being born here doesn't give that person automatic right to citizenship. And you have to be resident here for at least 5 years to gain citizenship, a lot more that the few months Italy requires for some appliacants. Yeah so both are lax but Italy more so.

pickarooney · 06-09-2018 04:01PM

Das Reich wrote: »

No I have a question for Irish for any other European.

I am not saying immigration is good, I am even against it.

Could you not report yourself for some made up crime and get yourself deported then?

Das Reich · 06-09-2018 04:42PM

Pixel Eater wrote: »

Being born here doesn't give that person automatic right to citizenship. And you have to be resident here for at least 5 years to gain citizenship, a lot more that the few months Italy requires for some appliacants. Yeah so both are lax but Italy more so.

In Italy you don't need to leave few months, YOU HAVE to have ancestror from the country, then going on the churches to get the birth and baptism certificate of their ancestrors, send it to the council (comune) wait months and waste a lot of money, at least 2.000 €. How is that lax compared to Ireland where you doesn't need to have ancestry to get passport, I could get any time if I didn't had dual citizenship.

ohnonotgmail · 06-09-2018 04:45PM

Das Reich wrote: »

In Italy you don't need to leave few months, YOU HAVE to have ancestror from the country, then going on the churches to get the birth and baptism certificate of their ancestrors, send it to the council (comune) wait months and waste a lot of money, at least 2.000 €. How is that lax compared to Ireland where you doesn't need to have ancestry to get passport, I could get any time if I didn't had dual citizenship.

As i already said this is not true. Anybody can get italian citizenship if they live there long enough. I only have to live there for 4 years to get citizenship. Somebody from outside the EU has to live there 10 years.

Das Reich · 06-09-2018 04:49PM

Pixel Eater wrote: »

Rein it in there. I didn't say Italy shouldn't do it - I explicitly said I understood the reason for them doing it - it just seems ludicrous lax in giving out their passports, especially since many leave as soon as they get their citizenship thus not benefiting Italy in the long term.

And Europe has many nations; you may argue Italy has an obligation to their diaspora but all of Europe doesn't.

Brazil got loads of immigrants from everywhere, even from USA (
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados)

s8n · 06-09-2018 04:55PM

They are mad for Boojum Burritos apparently. F@@kin love them. Have been known to pack some of them up and ship back to Brazil

Pixel Eater · 06-09-2018 05:00PM

Das Reich wrote: »

In Italy you don't need to leave few months, YOU HAVE to have ancestror from the country, then going on the churches to get the birth and baptism certificate of their ancestrors, send it to the council (comune) wait months and waste a lot of money, at least 2.000 €. How is that lax compared to Ireland where you doesn't need to have ancestry to get passport, I could get any time if I didn't had dual citizenship.

No you couldn't, you would need to be resident here for at least five years. Getting a few forms and paying money followed by a short wait then getting an EU passport is pretty lax in my book. Simply basing it on having Italian ancestry seems a pretty low threshold to me.

Das Reich · 06-09-2018 05:12PM

Man, I got my passport even before leaving Brazil. I was lucky my parents already had it and was easy for me. These people you called "some applicants" have more right than anyone to have EU passport as we descent from european refugees and immigrants. You said Italy should force them to live 2 or 3 years at least, why?

No you couldn't, you would need to be resident here for at least five years.

I am, and I know loads of Brazilians with no English or Irish that got Irish passport. And then you complain about the ones that have Italian passport even if they are Italian descent, funny.

ohnonotgmail · 06-09-2018 05:14PM

Das Reich wrote: »

Man, I got my passport even before leaving Brazil. I was lucky my parents already had it and was easy for me. These people you called "some applicants" have more right than anyone to have EU passport as we descent from european refugees and immigrants. You said Italy should force them to live 2 or 3 years at least, why?

I dont know you think Italy is so special in this regard. There are many people with an irish passport who have never set foot in the country.

emo72 · 06-09-2018 05:17PM

Gay Brazilian lads have the nicest 1980s haircuts. Like David Sylvian from Japan.

Edgware · 06-09-2018 05:22PM

Das Reich wrote: »

Brazil got loads of immigrants from everywhere, even from USA (
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados)

A lot of Germans moved there after the war

Das Reich · 06-09-2018 05:23PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I dont know you think Italy is so special in this regard. There are many people with an irish passport who have never set foot in the country.

If they are of Irish ancestry, then they are more Irish than the Brazilians I know with Irish passport.

Why is Dublin such a popular destination for Brazilians?

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