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amdublin · 19-08-2018 08:48PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

The food pyramid was replaced a good few years ago at this stage!

Yeah I think its something my fault plate now. Essentially a different eat of marketing all the same food pyramid stuff imo

tony1980 · 19-08-2018 10:02PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

Also most spirits are zero net carbs, having a vodka and Coke zero for example is only calories.

When I drink, I use gin and tonic now. I use Fever Tree for the tonic as it’s much better than the other stuff.

Blacktie. · 19-08-2018 10:10PM

amdublin wrote: »

Yeah I think its something my fault plate now. Essentially a different eat of marketing all the same food pyramid stuff imo

Have you looked at it at all? It's not the same at all. It's actually not a bad recommendation for the majority of people unlike the original food pyramid.

Mellor · 20-08-2018 04:01AM

tony1980 wrote: »

When I drink, I use gin and tonic now. I use Fever Tree for the tonic as it’s much better than the other stuff.

Fever tree is a good choice in terms of being a good tonic. But tonic is a terrible choice on keto.

tony1980 · 20-08-2018 08:28AM

Mellor wrote: »

Fever tree is a good choice in terms of being a good tonic. But tonic is a terrible choice on keto.

It’s not the best, I know. But it’s a rare thing for me so I allow myself this treat now and again. It doesn’t knock me completely out of ketosis when I check my levels afterwards.
Personally, I don’t think I can do keto 100% all of the time but for the most part, I do and it seems to be working. My weight is always at a steady level now and I feel great most of the time now because of keto and IF.

Mellor · 20-08-2018 08:53AM

tony1980 wrote: »

It’s not the best, I know. But it’s a rare thing for me so I allow myself this treat now and again. It doesn’t knock me completely out of ketosis when I check my levels afterwards.

It's a bit more than "not the best" imo.
There's more sugar in a bottle of tonic than a bottle of bulmers. Might as well have lemonade or coke as your mixer.
1 of any of the above won't kick you out.

Drink tonic if you really like the stuff, but at least go for the light stuff which half sugar.
Soda would be best.

Tar.Aldarion · 20-08-2018 10:47AM

Use a slimline tonic that uses sweetener instead of sugar, has ~0 calories per drink.

tony1980 · 20-08-2018 12:17PM

Mellor wrote: »

It's a bit more than "not the best" imo.
There's more sugar in a bottle of tonic than a bottle of bulmers. Might as well have lemonade or coke as your mixer.
1 of any of the above won't kick you out.

Drink tonic if you really like the stuff, but at least go for the light stuff which half sugar.
Soda would be best.

Someone only suggested soda water to me last week. Think I’ll try it tonight for the Limerick Hurlers homecoming! Thanks for the suggestion.

RiderOnTheStorm · 20-08-2018 03:36PM

If you want a drink and want to stay keto, vodka is best. Most spirits are OK. Some wines (iirc the dry whites are OK, but Google it, don't take my word for it). Beer and cider are off the list. Never mind the sugar, there are more carbs in a single bottle of lager than your daily 20g allowance.

Sugar free 7up is OK, but the sweeteners are suspect. Some sweeteners trick the body into thinking that ARE sugar and then your body produces insulin to absorb sugar that isnt there.

amdublin · 20-08-2018 05:35PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

Have you looked at it at all? It's not the same at all. It's actually not a bad recommendation for the majority of people unlike the original food pyramid.

You know your in a thread about the keto diet right? So respectfully i disagree with the daily plate and the food pyramid

smurfjed · 20-08-2018 06:20PM

@mellor, I don't live in Ireland so do not have the same selection of beers or food.

Mellor · 21-08-2018 01:23AM

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

Beer and cider are off the list. Never mind the sugar, there are more carbs in a single bottle of lager than your daily 20g allowance.

Depends on the beer, I drink this one, zero carbs.

RiderOnTheStorm · 21-08-2018 07:25PM

Mellor wrote:

Depends on the beer, I drink

Thx Mellor, live 'n' learn!

So, in spirit of sharing....
If you want to be keto, and stay clear of food with sugar, check out this list of ingredients that are all (61!) different ways of saying "sugar"....

1. Agave nectar
2. Barbados sugar
3. Barley malt
4. Barley malt syrup
5. Beet sugar
6. Brown sugar
7. Buttered syrup
8. Cane juice
9. Cane juice crystals
10. Cane sugar
11. Caramel
12. Carob syrup
13. Castor sugar
14. Coconut palm sugar
15. Coconut sugar
16. Confectionerâ€™s sugar
17. Corn sweetener
18. Corn syrup
19. Corn syrup solids
20. Date sugar
21. Dehydrated cane juice
22. Demerara sugar
23. Dextrin
24. Dextrose
25. Evaporated cane juice
26. Free-flowing brown sugars
27. Fructose
28. Fruit juice
29. Fruit juice concentrate
30. Glucose
31. Glucose solids
32. Golden sugar
33. Golden syrup
34. Grape sugar
35. HFCS (High-Fructose Corn Syrup)
36. Honey
37. Icing sugar
38. Invert sugar
39. Malt syrup
40. Maltodextrin
41. Maltol
42. Maltose
43. Mannose
44. Maple syrup
45. Molasses
46. Muscovado
47. Palm sugar
48. Panocha
49. Powdered sugar
50. Raw sugar
51. Refinerâ€™s syrup
52. Rice syrup
53. Saccharose
54. Sorghum Syrup
55. Sucrose
56. Sugar (granulated)
57. Sweet Sorghum
58. Syrup
59. Treacle
60. Turbinado sugar
61. Yellow sugar

Mellor · 22-08-2018 12:15AM

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

Thx Mellor, live 'n' learn!

So, in spirit of sharing....
If you want to be keto, and stay clear of food with sugar, check out this list of ingredients that are all (61!) different ways of saying "sugar"....

There's not need to check the ingredients for different types of sugar.
Just look at the g's of sugar per serve in the nutritional label.
Perfectly fine on keto to eat something with sugar as an ingredient if the content is low.

silverharp · 23-08-2018 04:28PM

on day 4 of 5 of a "fat fast" which is low calorie also , I wouldn’t be up for anything like a water fast but this seems like a happy middle ground, basically a small bullet coffee at lunch and dinner is 2 avocados. Day 4 seems no different to Day 1 . Its based on a suggestion to have 2 avocados each day and a green smoothie, the suggestion was to do it bi-monthly. I don’t expect it to move mountains but would be curious to test my blood sugars on Sat to see if they have dropped any. My normal fasting reading is 5.9mml/l which is on the high side of normal, 5.5 is apparently bang in the middle of the range.

silverharp · 25-08-2018 10:32AM

^^

finished now, tested my blood sugar and it was 5.6 mml/l lowest reading ive had without exercising first. shockingly dropped 5.6 kg since last Sat, obviously the majority is food and water. today will be protein day, had an omelette for breakfast and i have a hankering for a tuna salad for lunch. once every 2 months is doable and being at work helps where i'd be pretty busy anyway , also considering i was commuting by bike 26km per day i never felt lacking in energy.

amdublin · 25-08-2018 02:14PM

Just had a lovely lunch of rashers and avocado. God I love this way of eating

zmgakt7uw2dvfs · 30-08-2018 12:37PM

Having just come off a 20-hour intermittent fast, today I'm having:

3-home made beefburgers, grilled, with melted kerrygold red cheddar on top.
8 slices of fried bacon, cut into bits, with 200g Brussels sprouts fried in the bacon greece
100g of real whipped cream and 200g of strawberries

1690 calories approx:

Carbs 22g
Fat 120g
Protein 124g

Pretzill · 30-08-2018 01:51PM

Had a mixed week last week and ate some potato ( homegrown) and other carbs - back on track now -

Started today with scrambled ham and eggs
Had a stir-fry of mushrooms, asparagus, cashew nuts, kale and a little grated cheese for lunch.

Haven't weighed in for over two weeks.

RiderOnTheStorm · 31-08-2018 08:55PM

Dash Gentle Tailor wrote:

Having just come off a 20-hour intermittent fast, today ...

That's fab! Well done!!

I.F. goes very well with keto . I did my first 24 hour IF this week (am 3 months on keto) and it was grand. Could NOT have done it before. Used to get hangry and wolly headed after a few hours before keto. But now that I am fat-adapted its easy to go much longer. Only 2 meals a day now.

RiderOnTheStorm · 31-08-2018 09:00PM

Pretzill wrote:

Started today with scrambled ham and eggs Had a stir-fry of mushrooms, asparagus, cashew nuts, kale and a little grated cheese for lunch.

Keto meals rule!!

Ha anyone tried frying pan pizza?
Med heat frying pan. Good layer of cheese. When melted & bubbling add tomato paste and toppings of your choice (I love pepperoni, chorizo, mushroom). Then light sprinkle of mozzarella to seal it. Its like a fried cheese sandwich, but without the bread.... Very filling. Ab fab!!

Juwwi · 01-09-2018 07:35PM

Does anyone know if you did the Keto plan cutting out carbs but didn't eat the as much fat thats recommended would it still work or would you not have as much energy ?

The oils and fats put me off it a bit .

Blacktie. · 01-09-2018 07:48PM

Juwwi wrote: »

Does anyone know if you did the Keto plan cutting out carbs but didn't eat the as much fat thats recommended would it still work or would you not have as much energy ?

The oils and fats put me off it a bit .

You would 100% fail. What are you meant to live on protein alone?

Juwwi · 01-09-2018 09:10PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

You would 100% fail. What are you meant to live on protein alone?

Thanks fail in what way though ? hunger get the better of you and you'd eat carbs ?

when l say l don't like the idea of eating fats l don't mind putting butter on top of steaks or eggs after they are cooked , would that work OK ?

a bit of googling one site says if you don't eat enough fat the body starts using muscle for energy instead of burning fat ,,that would obviously be a negative

RiderOnTheStorm · 01-09-2018 09:46PM

Juwwi wrote:

when l say l don't like the idea of eating fats l don't mind putting butter on top of steaks or eggs after they are cooked , would that work OK ?

Butter is perfect. You can also fry in avacado oil. Remember, its good fats you are after. Dont pick the low fat meat when shopping. You can also add cheese to your meals to up the fat content. If you are still low on fat intake, try a fat-bomb. We make it like a type of homemade "ice-cream" made from cream, cream-cheeese and flavouring (eg a few berries). Adding double cream to your coffee is also good way of upping your fat intake. Lastly, check out MCT oil. It can be added to coffee and all sorts.

Juwwi wrote:

a bit of googling one site says if you don't eat enough fat the body starts using muscle for energy instead of burning fat ,,that would obviously be a negative

That's really rare. You would want to be eating very badly for your body to start "eating" muscle. Just being low on eating fat doesnt mean there is no fat in your body for it to use as a source. Most of us have plenty of padding to loose before worrying about loosing muscle.

Hang in there.....there are always ways to go!

Juwwi · 01-09-2018 10:24PM

thanks for the reply's ,, l tried it briefly for about 2 weeks and had great success in weight loss ,, l struggled with eating coconut oil and feeling queasy in work l stopped it ,, l wasn't fully prepared IMO ,,if those no carb beers that the guy in Sydney posted links to were available here l reckon l'd have no problem going full time on the keto full time but social life aspect has to be taken into account .

djPSB · 05-09-2018 01:49PM

When IF, do you drink black coffee?

Also, do how much water do people drink per day?

silverharp · 05-09-2018 02:01PM

djPSB wrote: »

When IF, do you drink black coffee?

Also, do how much water do people drink per day?

yep , water about 3pints , normally 2 in work and about one in the evening, I don't drink coffee after ~3pm

Pretzill · 05-09-2018 07:11PM

Anyone use coconut flour - I used it to flour a homemade fishcake yesterday and then made some "bread" type stuff with coconut flour, sour cream, eggs, cream cheese today.

Problem is I think I may be allergic as both times after only having a small amount I got a terrible tummy ache? Anyone experience this?

mcgucc22 · 05-09-2018 07:16PM

Pretzill wrote:

Problem is I think I may be allergic as both times after only having a small amount I got a terrible tummy ache? Anyone experience this?

Pretzill wrote:

Anyone use coconut flour - I used it to flour a homemade fishcake yesterday and then made some "bread" type stuff with coconut flour, sour cream, eggs, cream cheese today.

You probably got stomach ache because you ate something made of coconut flour, sour cream, eggs and cream cheese

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